Event 2GG: Kongo Saga - Discussion Thread

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Seedings are officially revealed for Kongo Saga; we're in for a wiiiillldddd ride.

Kongo Saga Top 100 Seedings:

1. MKLeo :ultjoker:(:ultlucina:)
2. Nairo :ultpalutena:
3. Samsora :ultpeach:
4. zackray :ultjoker::ultrob:(:ultwolf::ultgnw::ultmario:)
5. Dabuz :ultolimar::ultrosalina:(:ultpalutena:)
6. Tweek :ultjoker:
7. Gluttony :ultwario:
8. Maister:ultgnw:
9. Tea :ultpacman:
10. Light :ultfox:
11. Shuton :ultolimar:(:ultshulk:)
12. Kameme :ultmegaman::ultwario:
13. VoiD :ultsheik::ultpichu:(:ultjoker:)
14. ProtoBanham :ultlucina:(:ultinkling:)
15. KEN :ultsonic:
16. Cosmos :ultinkling:
17. Kuro :ultzss:
18. WaDi :ultrob:(:ultwiifittrainer::ultmewtwo:)
19. Goblin :ultroy:
20. Kome :ultshulk:
21. Rivers :ultchrom:(:ultdiddy:)
22. Nicko :ultshulk:
23. Raito :ultduckhunt::ultbanjokazooie:
24. Stroder:ultroy::ultmario::ultjoker:(:ultluigi:)
25. Pandarian :ultpokemontrainerf:
26. Wrath :ultsonic:
27. Prodigy :ultmario:
28. Nietono :ultpichu:
29. Lui$ :ultfox:
30. BestNess :ultness::ultpalutena:
31. Ned :ultpokemontrainerf::ultjoker:(:ultcloud:)
32. Myran :ultolimar:
33. Elegant :ultluigi:(:ultdiddy:)
34. quiK :ultsamus:(:ultzss:)
35. Shogun :ultsnake:
36. T :ultlink:
37. Sonido :ultsonic:
38. Tsu :ult_terry::ultlucario:
39. Mr E :ultlucina:
40. Lea :ultgreninja:
41. kept :ultvillager:(:ultisabelle:)
42. Mr. R :ultchrom:(:ultsheik::ultsnake::ultyounglink:)
43. Kola :ultroy::ultcloud:(:ultsnake:)
44. Larry Lurr :ultwolf:
45. Riddles :ult_terry:
46. Eim :ultjoker:
47. Abadango :ultpalutena::ultrosalina::ultinkling::ultwario:(:ultmetaknight:)
48. Puppeh :ultpalutena:?
49. Umeki :ultdaisy:
50. Fatality :ultfalcon:
51. Big D :ulticeclimbers:
52. Gackt :ultness:
53. Suarez :ultyoshi:
54. Legit :ultdiddy:
55. Charliedaking :ultwolf:(:ultsheik:)
56. Trela :ultbanjokazooie:
57. Sonix :ultsonic:
58. MastaMario :ultmario:
59. Lemmon :ultjoker:(:ultpeach:)
60. varun :ultwiifittrainer:
61. Cyro :ultroy:
62. Eon :ultjoker::ultfox:
63. Razo :ultpeach:
64. ven :ultzelda:
65. ZekeTRP :ultyoshi:
66. Sparg0 :ultcloud::ultinkling:
67. huto :ultbanjokazooie:
68. Locus :ult_terry:
69. AlexDisC :ultsonic:
70. Heavy :ultsnake:
71. Klaatu :ultpiranha::ultolimar:
72. K9sbruce :ultwolf:
73. Biddy :ultyounglink:
74. Magister :ultincineroar:
75. stas :ultwiifittrainer:
76. VinS :ultlink:
77. Nito :ultken:
78. Snoop :ultyoshi:
79. Vintendo :ultduckhunt:
80. Lumbre :ultness:
81. 0mart :ultsnake:
82. Zenyou :ultmario:
83. AC :ultsnake:(:ultmetaknight:)
84. Kiraflax :ultrob::ultdarkpit:
85. Konga :ultdk:
86. Dakpo :ultdiddy:
87. Taternator :ultbowserjr:
88. T3 DOM :ultrichter:
89. Ketchup :ultbowserjr:
90. Jumpsteady :ultpalutena::ultzss:
91. SweetT :ultpokemontrainerf::ulthero:
92. Xzax :ultinkling:
93. Ki :ultsnake:
94. Zan :ultyounglink:
95. Twinkle :ultdiddy:
96. Player-1 :ultdiddy:
97. Horse! :ultbayonetta::ultdaisy:
98. Ito :ultsonic:
99. DKWill :ultdk::ultbowser:
100. Firehao :ultsnake::ultdiddy:

-----------------------------------

126. Ben Gold :ultbowser::ultkrool:

Sparg0 feels criminally underseeded, but the list looks pretty standard otherwise; notably, this'll also be the first US tournament that KEN is attending.
 
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I think they may be still adjusting the seeds.

Either way this tourney is crazy stacked.

Edit:

If seeds dont change these are some notable seeds below 100

103. Rockstarace :ultwiifittrainer:
106. Suga :ultyoshi:
107. Firehao :ultdiddy: :ultsnake:
108. YMCA:ultdk:
125. Enki :ultpikachu:
134. Frawg :ultbayonetta:
 
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Yah, you guessed right, Impax, they're still adjusting the seeds.

Notably, Tickle :ultinkling: and NAKAT :ultpichu: have resigned from the tournament.

Also, I just realized Maister :ultgnw: is projected to fight Pandarian again :ultpokemontrainerf:; interested to see how that'll play out given that Pandarian got the upset on him at MainStage.
 

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Dakpo is criminally underseeded.
The dude'S outplacing Ven at almost every Vegas local, although he lost to Ven at a larger tournament in losers recently.

Still, seed 96 is way too low.
 

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Looks like the brackets are set pending conflicts. ( it's a little different than the currently poster one here)

Also it's weird seeing legit ranked above varun.

Varun is #3 on the pr and legit is #4. Varun had been winning the head to head as of late. But I guess legit had the better results at prime saga.

I do feel like players like Dabuz, Wadi, Cosmos and Goblin are a little over ranked. On the flipside Quik seems pretty underranked. B
 

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Seedings have been updated and finalized. Funny enough, Dakpo and Player-1 ended up switching spots.

Also 5 :ultsonic:s in Top 70, holy guacamole
 
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Kite (220th seed) :ultdk: 2-0s Sonido :ultsonic: (37th seed)

Phoenix (105th seed) :ultsonic: 2-1s Stroder (24th seed)

Either kept or Stroder are now guaranteed 129th place.
 
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Runes :ultdk: 2-1s KEN :ultsonic:. Really good stuff to Runes on making that two stock comeback, but dang, KEN was so scared the entire match; the amount of times he missed a confirm off of landing NAir or Spin Dash hurt to watch.
 
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Big D :ulticeclimbers: 2-0s ProtoBanham :ultinkling:

Japan players have been getting upseted left and right, yeesh.
Is there a reason why Proto went Inkling instead of Lucina for the matchup?
But yeah, Japanese players are getting upset quite a lot during this event.

Ven:ultzelda: had the unfortunate honor of running into MkLeo:ultjoker: at winner's finals of his pool, but at least he took a game off of him.


Right now, pool F is running without any upsets as of yet...
 

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Japan isn't getting upset as much as you think, just a few of the higher seeds. Only 3 out of 21 Japanese players here have really gotten upset (KEN, ProtoBanham, kept), while everyone else who lost just wasn't projected to win.

Anyway, Umeki :ultdaisy: sends Cosmos :ultinkling: to losers rather early, pretty close 2-0.
 
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Myran :ultolimar: 2-1s Elegant :ultluigi: in a very close set, which makes me wonder why they were even put into the same pool, especially considering that their seeds are RIDICULOUSLY close to each other.

Is there a reason why Proto went Inkling instead of Lucina for the matchup?
But yeah, Japanese players are getting upset quite a lot during this event.

Ven:ultzelda: had the unfortunate honor of running into MkLeo:ultjoker: at winner's finals of his pool, but at least he took a game off of him.


Right now, pool F is running without any upsets as of yet...
The biggest reason I can probably pin down is that :ultinkling: can camp out :ulticeclimbers: due to her better movement and vdashdance, but that's a gross oversimplification of the fight lol.

Japan isn't getting upset as much as you think, just a few of the higher seeds. Only 3 out of 21 Japanese players here have really gotten upset (KEN, ProtoBanham, kept), while everyone else who lost just wasn't projected to win.

Anyway, Umeki :ultdaisy: sends Cosmos :ultinkling: to losers rather early, pretty close 2-0.
True, it did mostly feel that way because 2 of the 3 upsets happened on stream.
 
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Yeah a good chunk of the Japanese big names have actually managed to coast through pools 4-0. Looking here:

https://smash.gg/tournament/2gg-kongo-saga/events/ultimate-singles/standings

Shuton, Kome, Kamame, Tea, Tsu, Nietono, Kuro, Zackray, Shogun, and now Umeki are all in Top 128 Winners Side while a lot of other renowned names like Lea, Abadongo, and Eim are currently in Loser's 3-1. Tomorrow will be quite a bloodbath at this rate.
 

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Top 128

Pool J1 Winner's
MkLeo:ultjoker: vs Myran:ultolimar:
Umeki:ultdaisy: vs Kuro:ultzss:
Maister:ultgnw: vs Pandarian:ultpokemontrainerf:
Tea:ultpacman: vs T3 DOM:ultrichter::ultmegaman:

Pool J2 Winner's
Samsora:ultpeach: vs Shogun:ultsnake:
Big D:ulticeclimbers: vs Goblin:ultroy:
Tweek:ultjoker: vs Tsu:ultlucario:
Shuton:ultolimar: vs Nicko:ultshulk:

Pool K1
Nairo:ultpalutena: vs Ned:ultpokemontrainerf:
Fatality:ultfalcon: vs WaDi:ultrob:
Glutonny:ultwario: vs Wrath:ultsonic:
Light:ultfox: vs Raito:ultduckhunt:

Pool K2
Zackary:ultrob::ultjoker: vs T:ultlink:
Gackt:ultness: vs Kome:ultshulk:
Dabuz:ultolimar: vs Nietono:ultpichu:
Kameme:ultmegaman: vs Rivers:ultchrom:


All notable players in loser's: [Key: (Pool, Round)]
Ketchup:ultludwig: (J1 R1)
Lumbre:ultness: (J1 R1)
Stroder:ultgreninja::ultroy: (J1 R1)
K9sbruce:ultwolf: (J1 R1)

Phoenix:ultsonic: (J1 R2)
Trela:ultbanjokazooie: (J1 R2)
Lea:ultgreninja: (J1 R2)
Sonix:ultsonic: (J1 R2)
Cosmos:ultinkling: (J1 R2)
Elegant:ultluigi: (J1 R2)
Ven:ultzelda: (J1 R2)

Eon:ultjoker::ultfox: (J2 R1)
ShiNe:ultdk::ultlucas: (J2 R1)
Zan:ultyounglink: (J2 R1)
AC:ultsnake::ultmetaknight: (J2 R1)
Ben Gold:ultkrool: (J2 R1)
Stas:ultwiifittrainer: (J2 R1)

Dakpo:ultdiddy: (J2 R2)
Legit:ultdiddy: (J2 R2)
Prodigy:ultmario: (J2 R2)
Eim:ultjoker: (J2 R2)
ProtoBanham:ultlucina::ultinkling: (J2 R2)
BestNess:ultness::ultpalutena: (J2 R2)
huto:ultbanjokazooie: (J2 R2)

Razo:ultpeach: (K1 R1)
Vintendo:ultduckhunt: (K1 R1)
KEN:ultsonic: (K1 R1) vs Magister:ultincineroar: (K1 R1)

Taternator:ultwendy: (K1 R2)
Charliedaking:ultwolf: (K1 R2)
Mr E:ultlucina: (K1 R2)
MastaMario:ultmario: (K1 R2)
Abadango:ultpalutena::ultwario: (K1 R2)
Runes:ultdk: (K1 R2)
quiK:ultsamus: (K1 R2)
Sparg0:ultcloud::ultinklingboy: (K1 R2)

Cyro:ultroy: (K2 R1)
Sonido:ultsonic: (K2 R1) vs Ki:ultsnake: (K2 R1)
Nito:ultken::ultjoker: (K2 R1)
YMCA:ultdk: (K2 R1) vs KiraFlax:ultdarkpit::ultrob: (K2 R1)
Lui$:ultfox::ultmario: (K2 R1)
Konga:ultdk: (K2 R1)

Larry Lurr:ultwolf: (K2 R2)
Suarez:ultyoshi: (K2 R2)
varun:ultwiifittrainer: (K2 R2)
Riddles:ult_terry: (K2 R2)
VoiD:ultpichu::ultsheik: (K2 R2)
Locus:ult_terry: (K2 R2)

So yeah, if the long list of notable players in the loser's bracket doesn't tell you anything, this tournament is pretty dang stacked.
 

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Winner's side:
:ultjoker::ultjoker::ultjoker:
:ultolimar::ultolimar::ultolimar:
:ultdaisy::ultpeach:
:ultmegaman::ultmegaman:
:ultpokemontrainerf::ultpokemontrainerf:
:ultrob: :ultrob:
:ultshulk::ultshulk:
:ultzss:
:ultgnw:
:ultpacman:
:ultrichter:
:ult_terry:
:ultsnake:
:ulticeclimbers:
:ultroy:
:ultlucario:
:ultpalutena:
:ultfalcon:
:ultwario:
:ultsonic:
:ultfox:
:ultduckhunt:
:ultlink:
:ultness:
:ultpichu:
:ultchrom:

Winner's plus Losers, incomplete: (I added some additional players to Bookworm's list, but it's not comprehensive.)
:ultjoker::ultjoker::ultjoker::ultjoker::ultjoker::ultjoker:
:ultsonic::ultsonic::ultsonic::ultsonic::ultsonic:
:ultdk::ultdk::ultdk::ultdk:
:ultroy::ultroy::ultroy::ultroy:
:ultolimar::ultolimar::ultolimar:
:ultdaisy::ultpeach::ultpeach:
:ultrob: :ultrob::ultrob:
:ult_terry::ult_terry::ult_terry:
:ultsnake::ultsnake::ultsnake:
:ultpalutena::ultpalutena::ultpalutena:
:ultfox::ultfox::ultfox:
:ultness::ultness::ultness:
:ultwolf::ultwolf::ultwolf:
:ultinkling::ultinkling::ultinklingboy:
:ultmario::ultmario::ultmario:
:ultmegaman::ultmegaman:
:ultpokemontrainerf::ultpokemontrainerf:
:ultshulk::ultshulk:
:ultwario::ultwario:
:ultduckhunt::ultduckhunt:
:ultpichu::ultpichu:
:ultludwig::ultwendy:
:ultgreninja::ultgreninja:
:ultbanjokazooie::ultbanjokazooie:
:ultwiifittrainer::ultwiifittrainer:
:ultdiddy::ultdiddy:
:ultlucina::ultlucina:
:ultcloud::ultcloud: (Kola)
:ultrichter::ultrichter: (Zucc)
:ultincineroar::ultincineroar: (Mega)
:ultzss:
:ultgnw:
:ultpacman:
:ulticeclimbers:
:ultlucario:
:ultfalcon:
:ultlink:
:ultchrom:
:ultluigi:
:ultzelda:
:ultlucas:
:ultyounglink:
:ultmetaknight:
:ultkrool:
:ultsamus:
:ultken:
:ultdarkpit:
:ultyoshi:
:ultsheik:
:ulttoonlink: (Linky)
:ultbayonetta: (Frawg)

Missing from this list: :ultbowser::ultcorrin::ultdoc::ultfalco::ultganondorf::ulthero::ultike::ultisabelle::ultjigglypuff::ultkingdedede::ultkirby::ultmarth::ultmewtwo::ultbrawler::ultgunner::ultswordfighter::ultpikachu::ultpiranha::ultridley::ultrobin::ultrosalina::ultryu::ultvillager:
 

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Winner's side:
:ultjoker::ultjoker::ultjoker:
:ultolimar::ultolimar::ultolimar:
:ultdaisy::ultpeach:
:ultmegaman::ultmegaman:
:ultpokemontrainerf::ultpokemontrainerf:
:ultrob: :ultrob:
:ultshulk::ultshulk:
:ultzss:
:ultgnw:
:ultpacman:
:ultrichter:
:ult_terry:
:ultsnake:
:ulticeclimbers:
:ultroy:
:ultlucario:
:ultpalutena:
:ultfalcon:
:ultwario:
:ultsonic:
:ultfox:
:ultduckhunt:
:ultlink:
:ultness:
:ultpichu:
:ultchrom:

Winner's plus Losers, incomplete: (I added some additional players to Bookworm's list, but it's not comprehensive.)
:ultjoker::ultjoker::ultjoker::ultjoker::ultjoker::ultjoker:
:ultsonic::ultsonic::ultsonic::ultsonic::ultsonic:
:ultdk::ultdk::ultdk::ultdk:
:ultroy::ultroy::ultroy::ultroy:
:ultolimar::ultolimar::ultolimar:
:ultdaisy::ultpeach::ultpeach:
:ultrob: :ultrob::ultrob:
:ult_terry::ult_terry::ult_terry:
:ultsnake::ultsnake::ultsnake:
:ultpalutena::ultpalutena::ultpalutena:
:ultfox::ultfox::ultfox:
:ultness::ultness::ultness:
:ultwolf::ultwolf::ultwolf:
:ultinkling::ultinkling::ultinklingboy:
:ultmario::ultmario::ultmario:
:ultmegaman::ultmegaman:
:ultpokemontrainerf::ultpokemontrainerf:
:ultshulk::ultshulk:
:ultwario::ultwario:
:ultduckhunt::ultduckhunt:
:ultpichu::ultpichu:
:ultludwig::ultwendy:
:ultgreninja::ultgreninja:
:ultbanjokazooie::ultbanjokazooie:
:ultwiifittrainer::ultwiifittrainer:
:ultdiddy::ultdiddy:
:ultlucina::ultlucina:
:ultcloud::ultcloud: (Kola)
:ultrichter::ultrichter: (Zucc)
:ultincineroar::ultincineroar: (Mega)
:ultzss:
:ultgnw:
:ultpacman:
:ulticeclimbers:
:ultlucario:
:ultfalcon:
:ultlink:
:ultchrom:
:ultluigi:
:ultzelda:
:ultlucas:
:ultyounglink:
:ultmetaknight:
:ultkrool:
:ultsamus:
:ultken:
:ultdarkpit:
:ultyoshi:
:ultsheik:
:ulttoonlink: (Linky)
:ultbayonetta: (Frawg)

Missing from this list: :ultbowser::ultcorrin::ultdoc::ultfalco::ultganondorf::ulthero::ultike::ultisabelle::ultjigglypuff::ultkingdedede::ultkirby::ultmarth::ultmewtwo::ultbrawler::ultgunner::ultswordfighter::ultpikachu::ultpiranha::ultridley::ultrobin::ultrosalina::ultryu::ultvillager:
Yeah, there are 6 Sonics still alive, actually: KEN, Sonix, Sonido, Wrath, Phoenix & AlexDisC.

VinS made it out through losers, so we have two Links alive.

At least two King K. Rool are still in, being KirbyKid and Ito.

Enki is the sole Pikachu left from what I see, so there's one.

Yoshi has both Suarez and ZekeTRP, so there's two.
 

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One of the worst brackets for Ven, but at least he took a game off Leo and the 3rd game was also pretty close apparently. If he wins one match, it's most likely time to meet Elegant in Losers.

Anyway, good showing already but the upcoming bracket looks nightmarish.
 

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Aaand the Sheik continues to fall apart for VoiD.
I am not entirely sure if that is what VoiD used against Gackt (I need to check the VoDs later).


Speaking of VoDs, apparently Abadango and Shuton random ditto'ed eachother, in random DK related stages (even non-legal ones), with stage morph on, and with items on. Aka, they fought eachother in a casual ruleset.
This is true peak competitive Ultimate.
 

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I am not entirely sure if that is what VoiD used against Gackt (I need to check the VoDs later).


Speaking of VoDs, apparently Abadango and Shuton random ditto'ed eachother, in random DK related stages (even non-legal ones), with stage morph on, and with items on. Aka, they fought eachother in a casual ruleset.
This is true peak competitive Ultimate.
He used Sheik both games, it went about how you would expect. Sheik is able to out neutral her opponent and get nice conversions but ultimately is so fragile and Ness hits so hard hard that once Gackt got to high percentages the game significantly shifted in his favor as Sheik’s stuff stopped working and Ness could reliably kill at 100 at that point. So while VoiD had to put himself at significantly more risk than Gackt, Gackt was able to use this to his advantage and score consistent KOs.
 
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Speaking of VoDs, apparently Abadango and Shuton random ditto'ed eachother, in random DK related stages (even non-legal ones), with stage morph on, and with items on. Aka, they fought eachother in a casual ruleset.
This is true peak competitive Ultimate.
Btw, I just figured out that this set is actually part of the side event called "Jungle Hijinks", so forgot what I said before about peak competitive Ultimate lol.

2GG just announced their next saga yesterday.
Should've done this saga in SSB4, but it is here now.
 

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He used Sheik both games, it went about how you would expect. Sheik is able to out neutral her opponent and get nice conversions but ultimately is so fragile and Ness hits so hard hard that once Gackt got to high percentages the game significantly shifted in his favor as Sheik’s stuff stopped working and Ness could reliably kill at 100 at that point. So while VoiD had to put himself at significantly more risk than Gackt, Gackt was able to use this to his advantage and score consistent KOs.
Man it's sad what playing a subpar character is doing to a player of VoiD's skill.
 

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To be fair, it was a game 3 situation, VoiD kept it really close game 1, and he even ended up two stocking Gackt game 2, so it's not like Gackt steamrolled him or anything.

That early PKThunder kill during Game 3 was what allowed Gackt to snowball into his victory, and at that point, it was really hard for VoiD to keep up.

In other news, Tea :ultpacman::ultdk: just barely closes it out against T3 DOM :ultrichter: in a very tense 3-2 set.
 
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0mart:ultsnake: 2-1 K9sbruce:ultwolf:, eliminating him at 65th place.

Tsu:ultlucario: was so close to defeating Tweek:ultjoker:, but Tweek switching to :ultwario: really helped him out. It was close regardless of the switch though.


Edit:
Heavy:ultsnake: 2-0 Ben Gold:ultkrool: (out at 97th)
OmegaRugal:ultjoker: 2-1 Prodigy:ultmario: (out at 65th)
Kola:ultroy::ultcloud: 2-0 huto:ultbanjokazooie: (out at 65th)
Kola:ultroy::ultcloud: 3-0 BestNess:ultness::ultpalutena: (out at 49th)

Btw, Kola is formerly known as SaltOne.
 
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Both out at 49th:
Kola/Salt One :ultroy:(:ultcloud:) 3-0 BestNess :ultness:(:ultpalutena:)
ZekeTRP :ultyoshi:3-1 Trela :ultridley::ultbanjokazooie:
 
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Kola:ultroy::ultcloud: 3-2 Tsu:ultlucario:, eliminating him at 33rd place.

After one of the biggest nail-biter sets I have seen, Samsora:ultpeach: completes the reverse 3-0 against Shogun:ultsnake: to move on.
 

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Lea :ultgreninja: 3-2s Myran :ultolimar: to eliminate him at 33rd place.
Eon :ultjoker::ultfox: 3-2s Legit :ultdiddy: to eliminate him at 49th place.
Pandarian :ultpokemontrainerf: 3-1s ven :ultzelda: to eliminate him at 33rd place.
 
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Jsan 2-1 Vintendo:ultduckhunt: (out at 97th)
KEN:ultsonic: 2-0 Magister:ultincineroar: (out at 97th)
Pandarian:ultpokemontrainerf: 3-1 Ven:ultzelda: (out at 33rd)
 

KirbySquad101

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Goblin :ultroy: 3-1s Big D :ulticeclimbers::ultkingdedede:. The DDD counterpick turned out to be disastrous for Big D.
Klaatu :ultpiranha: 2-1s Abadango to eliminate him at 65th place.
Ross :ultlink: 2-1s MastaMario :ultmario: to eliminate him at 65th place. Kongo Saga could use DW right about now lol.
 
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