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2012 Election

Sizzle

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While this REALLY ****ing bothers me, he is pretty adamant about not making laws that effect the establishment clause.
I agree here. Even though he is a strong pro-life supporter and doctor, as far as I'm aware, he still believes the states should decide about abortion, not the federal government. I think he fights for religious freedom just as passionately as all freedoms, so I don't see the problem there.
 

BlueXenon

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I think you're completely mistaken if you believe the Bush Administration is the cause of the problems President Obama faces. Obama has not changed the things like he campaigned on, but rather continued the things that were started by Bush. He has increased troops in Afghanistan, increased war spending, started air attacks in Libya, etc. He has signed into law extensions of the Patriot Act, increased the security of airports to unnecessary levels, and more.

I could probably go on and on, but to say that Bush is the cause of all his problems is silly. I think a lot of the USA's problems were started a long time ago and have been slowly snowballing to levels never thought to happen. I don't think Obama has the foresight to solve the problems, and is only perpetuating this snowball effect.

I'm unsure of what the future holds, but I think America will likely go through a massive financial crisis even more than the ongoing one if major steps aren't taken to stop our rampant debt. Ron Paul has been talking of these things for years now, and I think he has what it takes to try and get the country on the right track. His platform is likely the most acceptable to both sides, that's why I feel he has the best shot.
I agree with you. Even if Bush did cause the problems, Obama made them worse. And It is possible that a president before Bush caused the problem but the result came many years later.

Ron Paul cannot win, I know it's sad, but most blacks will vote for Obama, and most other people wouldn't vote for Ron Paul because he does not look good.
 

BlueXenon

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I think you're completely mistaken if you believe the Bush Administration is the cause of the problems President Obama faces. Obama has not changed the things like he campaigned on, but rather continued the things that were started by Bush. He has increased troops in Afghanistan, increased war spending, started air attacks in Libya, etc. He has signed into law extensions of the Patriot Act, increased the security of airports to unnecessary levels, and more.

I could probably go on and on, but to say that Bush is the cause of all his problems is silly. I think a lot of the USA's problems were started a long time ago and have been slowly snowballing to levels never thought to happen. I don't think Obama has the foresight to solve the problems, and is only perpetuating this snowball effect.

I'm unsure of what the future holds, but I think America will likely go through a massive financial crisis even more than the ongoing one if major steps aren't taken to stop our rampant debt. Ron Paul has been talking of these things for years now, and I think he has what it takes to try and get the country on the right track. His platform is likely the most acceptable to both sides, that's why I feel he has the best shot.
I agree with you. Even if Bush did cause the problems, Obama made them worse. And It is possible that a president before Bush caused the problem but the result came many years later.

Ron Paul cannot win, I know it's sad, but most blacks will vote for Obama, and most other people wouldn't vote for Ron Paul because he does not look good. He looks very old.
 

Rici

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I truly am curious about what goes on in Republicans heads.
 

-Jumpman-

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I agree with you. Even if Bush did cause the problems, Obama made them worse. And It is possible that a president before Bush caused the problem but the result came many years later.

Ron Paul cannot win, I know it's sad, but most blacks will vote for Obama, and most other people wouldn't vote for Ron Paul because he does not look good. He looks very old.
How is that sad?
 

BlueXenon

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I truly am curious about what goes on in Republicans heads.
Im a republican (not yet, but I will be when im 18) so I can answer your question. Republicans want to destroy the country as fast as possible and then blame the democrats for what happened.

This is a joke
 

Luigitoilet

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It's this petty partisan poo-flinging between dems and reps that is a big reason why this country is in the toilet. I know this is just a video game forum and it's dumb to expect reasonable, respectful political discourse here, especially since we can't even get reasonable, respectful political discourse on our primetime news networks. but it still makes me sad.
 

Alien Vision

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It's this petty partisan poo-flinging between dems and reps that is a big reason why this country is in the toilet. I know this is just a video game forum and it's dumb to expect reasonable, respectful political discourse here, especially since we can't even get reasonable, respectful political discourse on our primetime news networks. but it still makes me sad.
My psychological senses are tingling. They say these two groups are making everything worse, because they both want to be right about something, and can't agree to disagree because of it. It's funny how in the end, nobody is right about anything, when it comes to these childish games.
 

Mic_128

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Because that's not what happeend: http://cheney.pblog.org/2011/02/19/ron-paul-fraud-diebold-vote-machines-steal-2008-primaries/

He later sued the Louisiana GOP for this (along with a few other unethical things they did).
Yikes. I'm surprised the US even used them in the first place. Once it goes electronic it'll always be open to massive hacking risks and other electronic cheating.

I think you're completely mistaken if you believe the Bush Administration is the cause of the problems President Obama faces. Obama has not changed the things like he campaigned on, but rather continued the things that were started by Bush. He has increased troops in Afghanistan, increased war spending, started air attacks in Libya, etc. He has signed into law extensions of the Patriot Act, increased the security of airports to unnecessary levels, and more.

I could probably go on and on, but to say that Bush is the cause of all his problems is silly. I think a lot of the USA's problems were started a long time ago and have been slowly snowballing to levels never thought to happen. I don't think Obama has the foresight to solve the problems, and is only perpetuating this snowball effect.
*Raises eyebrow* I didn't mention Bush at all.
 

Mini Mic

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CK's right. The Republicans can't win without a decent candidate (which they don't have). Romney has the charisma and appeal of a loaf of bread and the rest are comically unelectable.

if I end up voting it will probably be for a third party.
Go ahead, throw your vote away.

Mwahahahahhahahah
 

OmegaXXII

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A conservative eh? Well at least I know that she could easy surpass Sarah Palin as a candidate, god I can't stand her.

I still want my BLACK MAN.

:phone:
 

Takumaru

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It's this petty partisan poo-flinging between dems and reps that is a big reason why this country is in the toilet. I know this is just a video game forum and it's dumb to expect reasonable, respectful political discourse here, especially since we can't even get reasonable, respectful political discourse on our primetime news networks. but it still makes me sad.
Does it make you sadder that SWF is, in some ways, better than most/all prime time news networks?
The other day fox news (key word!) dedicated a chunk of time to forcefully discussing Michelle Obama eating a burger, fries and shake at the Shake Shack in DC. You'd think she had claimed the holocaust was a great idea with the way they spoke about it. They also don't how what the word epidemic means. Oh well. That's Fox News for you.
 

M@v

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Political ads have already started on TV....now I have to see this crap for a year and a half.
 

BlueXenon

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CK's right. The Republicans can't win without a decent candidate (which they don't have). Romney has the charisma and appeal of a loaf of bread and the rest are comically unelectable.
Michele Bachmann is good. She is a terrible speaker, but I agree with her on most things.
 

Crimson King

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A conservative eh? Well at least I know that she could easy surpass Sarah Palin as a candidate, god I can't stand her.

I still want my BLACK MAN.

:phone:
No, she needs to lose badly. She may very well be a nazi.
 

SangfroidWarrior

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But Obama's black if you vote against him YOU'RE A RACIST
Haha. I really hope you're joking with that.

Other than that, I really have no idea. I mean, have the candidates even been chosen yet? Regardless, I do think Obama will win, not because if you don't vote for him you are racist, but because he got Osama Bin Laden. The only reason I think this is because people don't really look at how long it took, and they don't realize that Bush did as much as, or even more, work than Obama did. I'm not saying Bush was a good president, but he did do a lot of the work.

But, at the same time, Obama might not win because his campaign slogan for 2008 was change, and, so far, the populace hasn't seen as much change as they want. We're still in a recession and we still have horrible unnemployment. People are looking for a miracle, and it's just not going to happen. Any change in our goverment or our economy is going to take years, our government because it was made to take forever, and our economy because it's so messed up and we have to deal with every other country's economy too. The economy is not going to get better because we have to raise taxes to make it better and nobody wants to do that. I'm not blaming anyone for not wanting to raise taxes but they shouldn't blame Obama for something that has been culminating for years.

All in all I think it's too soon to decide, but President Obama is going to give a tough fight because, as much as he has against him, he has a whole lot going for him as well.
 

Faithkeeper

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I didn't really have much of an opinion on Michele Bachmann for a while. Then I heard her talk about the debt ceiling. ... I was very much deterred.
 

Crimson King

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Not in the historical sense, but she is both a nationalist and a fascist.
 

Vonzar the Soulrender

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I'm going to vote for Ron Paul, he's the only one running with even one tiny iota of a chance to make this country better. Obama is Bush #3, reenacting all the same policies and continuing with every single thing that Bush did in his eight years. Everyone on GOP side is a hypocritical fascist, ditto for the Democrats. It's funny that the GOP supports big business and the Dems support big government when Big Business = Big Government.

Ron Paul may not have all the answers, but he has the best ones BY FAR. The first step to ending our financial woes is to END the Federal Reserve. As much as I hate politics, this is very serious business and voting for lolbama or anyone else that comes from the establishment republican and democrat politicians will only result in more failure.


Edit: I don't care if he doesn't win the primary, I'm writing him in.
 

Palpi

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Liberal is the only way our world will survive. Liberal is for the future, new ideas, change. Everything is always changing, so why would you want to keep horrible ideal from people stuck in the past like Ron Paul and some other conservatives? I like Ron for some of his ideas, but disagree on the majority. Capitalism is destroying our planet.


Go socialism!
:phone:
 

Spelt

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_____ is the only way our world will survive. _____ is for the future, new ideas, change. Everything is always changing, so why would you want to keep horrible ideal from people stuck in the past like _____ _____ and some other _____s? I like _____ for some of his ideas, but disagree on the majority. _____ is destroying our planet.


Go _____!
Here's a copy paste template for anyone else who wants to force their opinions on others.
 

¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯

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DID SOMEONE SAY MADLIB??!?!?!?

Scuba diving is the only way our world will survive. James Franco is for the future, new ideas, change. Everything is always changing, so why would you want to keep horrible ideal from people stuck in the past like the Amish and some other subjects of Weird Al songs? I like Simba for some of his ideas, but disagree on the majority. AL GORE is destroying our planet.


Go America!
 

Vonzar the Soulrender

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Liberal is the only way our world will survive. Liberal is for the future, new ideas, change. Everything is always changing, so why would you want to keep horrible ideal from people stuck in the past like Ron Paul and some other conservatives? I like Ron for some of his ideas, but disagree on the majority. Capitalism is destroying our planet.


Go socialism!
:phone:
Liberal... the former meaning is the way to go. Current "Liberals" are nothing of the sort. Where the word Liberal used to invoke the ideas of liberty and personal freedom it is now associated with all manner of nanny staters, people who would prefer the government to take care of us like children and those who oppress and poison the poor under the false pretenses of welfare and healthcare.

Crony capitalism IS destroying our planet and everyone on it. By letting banks and corporations lobby and pay politicians we are letting them own us and control our entire government. The capitalism you hate comes from the exact same source as the government you want to entrust with your care.


Edit: I fail, but i'm leaving it here anyway.
 

Mini Mic

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Liberal is the only way our world will survive. Liberal is for the future, new ideas, change. Everything is always changing, so why would you want to keep horrible ideal from people stuck in the past like Ron Paul and some other conservatives? I like Ron for some of his ideas, but disagree on the majority. Capitalism is destroying our planet.


Go socialism!
:phone:
Socialists advocate capitalism because they believe the inherent contradictions and holes within the system will eventually cause it to get so big and out of control that it will collapse on itself leaving socialism as the only viable alternative given the failure of capitalism, feudalism etc... So if you consider yourself a socialist you should be saying 'go capitalism'.
 
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