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Official 1.1.3 Patch Notes

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There is a dedicated thread for patch notes discussion; this thread is strictly for confirmed reports.

To avoid anarchy, only a whitelist of individuals are allowed to post directly to this thread:
If there is anything we missed that you have evidence of, please PM me with direct reports of unconfirmed changes (not in this post or discussed) that you have personal evidence for.
(I reserve the right to make fun of anyone who reports placebos.)

Confirmed Global Changes:
  • Wall jump properly allowed on Omega Kalos
Character | Last (CST) | Changes | Analysis Stage
:4bowser: Bowser | --- |
  • U-Throw
    • Throwbox angle 70 -> 82
    • Throwbox KBG 80 -> 155
    • Throwbox BKB 90 -> 25
    • Looping hits damage 1.0 -> 0.5
    • Looping Hits hitlag modifier 1.0x -> 0.5x
    • Final hitbox KBG 100 -> 200
    • Final hitbox BKB 0 -> 80
  • Endframe 68 -> 61?
  • Side Special 1/2
    • Post-grab and jump animation are faster
    • Invincibility added during post-grab and flip
  • Up Special 1/2/3
    • Can grab ledges from behind
| 99%
:4bowserjr: Bowser Jr | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4falcon: Captain Falcon | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4charizard: Charizard | --- |
  • Dash Attack
    • Total duration 44 -> 39
    • Hitbox 0 (early and late) angle 70 -> 50
    • Hitbox 1 (early and late) angle 80 -> 60
  • U-Smash
    • Tons of small hitbox position, size, angle, and duration tweaks
  • D-Smash
    • Hitbox 0/1 KBG 76 -> 79
    • Hitbox 2/3 KBG 82 -> 85
| 99%
:4cloud: Cloud | --- | Added to game! | ---
:4diddy: Diddy Kong | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4dk: Donkey Kong | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4drmario: Dr. Mario | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4duckhunt: Duck Hunt | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4falco: Falco | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4fox: Fox | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4ganondorf: Ganondorf | --- |
  • D-Smash
    • 2nd hit angle 130 -> 50
    • Facing restriction set to 4 (not sure what this means)
  • Nair
    • Completely remade! Hitboxes all totally different!
    • Bottom line is, second hit is now stronger rather than first.
    • Landing lag reduced from 18 -> 17
  • Fair
    • Landing Lag reduced 23 -> 22
  • Bair
    • Landing Lag reduced 20 -> 19
  • Uair
    • Landing Lag reduced 20 -> 19
  • Dair
    • Hitbox moved 2 units vertically (down?)
    • Landing lag reduced 28 -> 26
  • Neutral Special 1
    • Super Armor extended from frames 11-63 -> 11-66
  • Turnaround Neutral Special 1
    • Super Armor added from frames 11-58
  • Turnaround Neutral Special 2
    • Super Armor added from frames 11-54
  • Side Special 1/2 (ground/aerial)
    • Some sort of grab parameter increased?
  • Up Special 1
    • Grab shocks damage 1.0 -> 1.2
    • Throw damage 7.0 -> 9.0, KBG 82 -> 90
| 99%
:4greninja: Greninja | --- |
  • F-Smash
    • KBG 99 -> 101
  • U-Smash
    • Hit 2 Sweetspot KBG 103 -> 104
  • D-Smash
    • KBG 90 -> 92
    Side Special 1/2
    • Front Attack KBG 102 -> 104
    • Rear attack KBG 101 -> 103
  • Side Special 3
    • Front/Rear Attack KBG 90 -> 92
| 99%
:4myfriends: Ike | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4jigglypuff: Jigglypuff | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4dedede: King Dedede | --- |
  • Neutral Special 1/3
    • Small timing tweak
  • Up Special 1/2/3
    • Facing Restriction added to descent and landing hitboxes
| 99%
:4kirby: Kirby | --- |
  • Ground run speed increased
  • F-Smash (all angles)
    • Early Hit KBG 99 -> 100
    • Late Hit KBG 66 -> 67
  • U-Smash
    • Early Hit KBG 102 -> 103
    • Middle Hit KBG 96 -> 97
    • Late hit KBG 50 -> 51
  • D-Smash
    • KBG 108 -> 109
  • Fair
    • Hit 3 KBG 145 -> 148
    • Hitlag modifier 1.0x -> 1.2x
  • Bair
    • Early Hit KBG 102 -> 104
    • Late Hit KBG 110 -> 112
  • U-throw
    • KBG 63 -> 74
  • Side Special 1 partial charge
    • KBG 70 -> 76
    • Aerial hitbox 0 (both hits) size 5.2 -> 5.4
    • Aerial hitbox 1 (both hits) size 3.0 -> 3.2
    • Both sets of hitboxes active for 1.0 -> 2.0 frames
  • Side Special 1 aerial max charge
    • KBG 70 -> 76
    • Aerial hitbox 0 (both hits) size 5.4 -> 5.6
    • Aerial hitbox 1 (both hits) size 3.5 -> 3.7
    • Both sets of hitboxes active for 1.0 -> 2.0 frames
  • Side Special 2 partial charge, 1/3 max charge
    • KBG 70 -> 76
  • Side Special 2 aerial
    • KBG 100 -> 110
    • Hitbox 0 (both hits) size 5.2 -> 5.4
    • Hitbox 1 (both hits) size 3.0 -> 3.2
    • Both sets of hitboxes active for 1.0 -> 2.0 frames
  • Side Special 3 partial charge
    • Aerial KBG 70 -> 76
    • Hitbox 0 (both hits) size 6.3 -> 6.5
    • Hitbox 1 (both hits) size 3.0 -> 3.2
  • Side Special 3 max charge
    • Aerial KBG 70 -> 76
    • Hitbox 0 size 6.0 -> 6.2
    • Hitbox 1 size 3.0 -> 3.2
| 99%
:4link: Link | --- |
  • F-Smash 2
    • KBG 85 -> 89
  • D-Smash
    • Hit 1 angle 75 -> 78
    • Hit 1 KBG 90 -> 88
    • Hit 1 BKB 26 -> 40
  • Fair
    • Hit 1 damage 8.0 -> 11.0
    • Hit 1 KBG 132 -> 130
    • Hit 1 BKB 10 -> 20
    • Hit 2 damage 10.0 -> 13.0
    • KBG 105 -> 100
  • Dair
    • Spike hitbox is now aerial target only
    • Now has a ground-only hitbox at angle 55, KBG/BKB of 40/25
    • Secondary "bounce" hitbox damage increased 8.0 -> 11.0
  • Up Special 1
    • A Million tiny buffs and tweaks (these moves have a million hitboxes, too many to list)
    • Uncharged total frames from 81 -> 77
    • Full charge total frames from 139 -> 136
  • Up Special 2
    • Also tweaked a ton
    • Uncharged total frames from 98 -> 93
    • Full charge total frames from 156 -> 152
| 99%
:4littlemac: Little Mac | --- | No Changes | 99%
:4lucario: Lucario/Mega Lucario | --- |
  • Horizontal air speed, fall speed, fastfall sweed, and walk speed increased
  • Neutral Special Charging 1/2/3
    • (Normal only) Angle 80 -> 83
    • KBG 100 -> 93
    • (Mega only) BKB 10 -> 12
    • Hitlag modifier 1.0x -> 0.78x
| 99%
:4lucas: Lucas | --- |
  • F-tilt (all angles)
    • Hitbox 1 (11%) size 4.4 -> 4.7
    • Hitbox duration 7-9 -> 7-10
  • Nair
    • Looping Hits damage 1.0 -> 2.0
  • Fair
    • Landing lag 15 -> 12
  • Standing Grab
    • FAF on frame 51 -> 46
  • Dash Grab
    • FAF on frame 61 -> 56
  • Pivot Grab
    • Animation updated but FAF unchanged
    • Down Special
      • Heals significantly less damage (half) when used with teammate attacks.
    | 99%
    :4luigi:Luigi | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4mario:Mario | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4marth:/:4lucina:Marth/(Lucina) | --- |
    • Dancing Blade 1/2 Hit 2-forward
      • Hitbox 0/2 KBG 70 -> 30
      • Hitbox 1 KBG 50 -> 30
      • Hitbox 0/1/2 BKB 28 -> 30
    • Dancing Blade 1 Hit 3-down
      • Hitbox 0 Damage 3.0(3.325) -> 4.5(4.75)
      • Hitbox 1 Damage 4.0(3.325) -> 5.5(4.75)
      • Hitbox 0 Growth 60 ->28
      • Hitbox 1 Growth 40 ->28
      • Both hitboxes angle 20 -> 44
      • Both hitboxes BKB 30 -> 50
      • Hitbox 1 size 4.3 -> 4.6
    | 99%
    :4megaman:Mega Man | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4metaknight:Meta Knight | --- | Facing restriction set to zero on some unknown 1.5/1.0 damage subroutine hitboxes | 99%
    :4mewtwo:Mewtwo | --- |
    • Ground walk/run speed increased
    • F-Smash
      • Hitbox 0 (non-sweetspot) damage 15.0 -> 16.0
      • Hitbox 0 size 2.0 -> 3.0
    • Nair
      • Landing Lag reduced 16 -> 13
    • Fair
      • Hits on frame 7 -> 6
      • Hitbox moved 1 unit forward?
      • Landing Lag reduced 18 -> 14
    • Bair
      • Hitbox 0 moved to a different bone, position adjusted, size 5.1 -> 5.5
      • Landing Lag reduced 21 -> 17
    • Uair
      • Hitbox 1 damage 9.0 -> 10.0
      • Hitbox 2 damage 7.5 -> 9.0
      • All hitboxes KBG 100 -> 97
      • All hitboxes BKB 0 -> 40
      • Hitbox 0 size 4.7 -> 5.0
      • Hitbox 1 size 3.9 -> 4.5
      • Hitbox 2 size 3.1 -> 4.0
      • Landing Lag reduced 16 -> 13
    • Dair
      • Hitboxes moved down one unit
      • Hitbox duration 2 -> 4 frames
      • Landing Lag reduced 22 -> 18
    • Neutral Special
      • Projectile size increased
      • Aerial momentum shift reduced
      Side Special
      • Unknown Grab Box parameters increased (could be size or positioning)
    • D-Throw
      • Angle 69 -> 74
    | 99%
    :4miibrawl:Mii Brawler | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4miigun:Mii Gunner | --- |
    • D-Smash
      • 2nd Hit Angle 130 -> 50
      • 2nd hit facing restriction set to 4
    • Down Special 3
      • Heals significantly less damage (half) when used with teammate attacks.
    | 99%
    :4miisword:Mii Swordfighter | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4gaw:Mr. Game & Watch | --- |
    • Down Special 1/2/3
      • Does significantly less damage (less than half?) when used with teammate attacks.
    | 99%
    :4ness:Ness | --- |
    • Down Special 1/3
      • Heals significantly less damage (half) when used with teammate attacks.
    | 99%
    :4olimar:Olimar | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4pacman:PAC-MAN | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4palutena:Palutena | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4peach:Peach | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4pikachu:Pikachu | --- | No Changes | 60%
    :4pit:Pit | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4darkpit:Dark Pit | --- |
    • Side Special 1 (ground)
      • Damage 11.5 -> 12.0
      • Angle 50 -> 43
      • KBG 60 -> 67
      • BKB 100 -> 99
    • Side Special 2 (ground)
      • Angle 50 -> 43
      • KBG 60 -> 67
      • BKB 100 -> 99
    • Side Special 1/2 (aerial)
      • Angle 50 -> 43
      • KBG 60 -> 58
    | 99%
    :4rob:R.O.B. | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4robinm:Robin | --- |
    • Ftilt
      • Size increased 4.0 -> 5.0, position tweaked
    • D-Smash
      • FAF from frame 62 -> 57
    • Nair
      • Hitbox 0/1 (both hits) size increased 4.0 -> 5.0, position tweaked
      • Hitbox 2 (both hits) size increased 3.0 -> 5.0
    • Fair (Levin)
      • Late hitbox size increased 1.5 -> 2.5, position tweaked
    • Dair (Levin)
      • Early damage 10 -> 11
      • Hitbox 1 (non-spike) angle 80 -> 70
      • Both hitboxes size 4.0 -> 4.5
      • Transition from early to middle hitboxes after 1 -> 2 frames
      • Late hit damage 5.0 -> 8.0
      • New late 6.0 damage hitbox added?
    • Nair (both)
      • Landing Lag reduced 20 -> 18
    • Fair (both)
      • Landing Lag reduced 20 -> 18
    • Bair (both)
      • Landing Lag reduced 21 -> 19
    • Uair (both)
      • Landing Lag reduced 20 -> 18
    • Dair (both)
      • Landing Lag reduced 28 -> 26
    | 99%
    :rosalina:Rosalina & Luma | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4feroy:Roy | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4ryu:Ryu | --- | Some random timer on a non-hitbox state changed from 19 to 4 | 99%
    :4samus:Samus | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4sheik:Sheik | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4shulk:Shulk | --- |
    • Dash Attack
      • Damage 11.0 -> 11.5
    • Ftilt
      • Damage 13.0/11.5 -> 13.5/12.0
    • Utilt
      • Early hit damage 8.0 -> 8.5
      • Late hit damage 7.0 -> 7.5
    • Dtilt
      • Damage 9.0/7.0 -> 9.5/7.5
    • Nair
      • Damage 7.0/8.0 -> 7.5/8.5
      • Landing Lag reduced 12 -> 10
    • Fair
      • Damage 7.5/6.0 -> 8.0/6.5
      • Landing Lag reduced 18 -> 16
    • Bair
      • Damage 12.0/8.0 -> 12.5/8.5
      • Landing Lag reduced 21 -> 19
    • Uair
      • Hit 1 damage 5.0 -> 5.5
      • Hit 2 damage 10.0/7.5 -> 10.5/8.0
      • Landing Lag reduced 17 -> 15
    • Dair
      • Hit 1 damage 5.0/7.0 -> 6.0/7.5
      • Hit 2 damage 11.0/10.0 -> 11.5/10.5
      • Landing Lag reduced 25 -> 23
    | 99%
    :4sonic:Sonic | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4tlink:Toon Link | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4villager:Villager | --- |
    • Neutral Special 1/2/3
      • Does significantly less damage (half?) when used with teammate attacks.
    | 99%
    :4wario:Wario | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4wiifit:Wii Fit Trainer | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4yoshi:Yoshi | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4zelda:Zelda | --- | No Changes | 99%
    :4zss:Zero Suit Samus | --- | No Changes | 99%
 
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:4bowser:
+ Can now grab the ledge during upB without facing it

:4robinf:
+ Nair landing lag reduced 20→18
+ Fair landing lag reduced 20→18
+ Bair landing lag reduced 21→19
+ Uair landing lag reduced 20→18
+ Dair landing lag reduced 28→26

Don't want to post a wall of gifs, so I'll just drop bair here for proof (left old, right new):

 
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:4bowser:
+ Can now grab the ledge during upB without facing it

:4robinf:
+ Nair landing lag reduced 20→18
+ Fair landing lag reduced 20→18
+ Bair landing lag reduced 21→19
+ Uair landing lag reduced 20→18
+ Dair landing lag reduced 28→26

Don't want to post a wall of gifs, so I'll just drop bair here for proof (left old, right new):

Just finished looking at all landing lag in the game. Can also confirm Robin's aerials being reduced, as well as ALL of Ganondorf, Mewtwo, and Shulk aerials. Finally, Lucas had his fair landing lag reduced.

Haven't looked at all characters in depth, it would help if we had a data dump to tell me what to look for. Bowser's got some more unconfirmed stuff. Transition from grabbing a target with Side B and getting into the air is significantly sped up. Bowser and his victim are also apparently intangible from attacks while spinning in the air. His Up B now grabs the ledge from behind ( a series first). And Uthrow does indeed have reduced endlag (separate from the move being overall faster due to hitlag reduction). I don't think seven frames is accurate though, probably more like three. LordWilliam1234 LordWilliam1234 and Lavani Lavani could I get you to frame count these? I can only frame count pre-patch values right now.
 
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:4ganondorf:

N-air: Landing lag reduced, from 18 -> 17.
F-air: Landing lag reduced, from 23 -> 22.
B-air: Landing lag reduced, from 20 -> 19.
D-air: Landing lag reduced, from 28 -> 26
U-air: Landing lag reduced, from 20 -> 19.

:4mewtwo:

N-air: Landing lag reduced, from 16 -> 13.
F-air: Landing lag reduced, from 18 -> 14.
B-air: Landing lag reduced, from 21 -> 17.
D-air: Landing lag reduced, from 22 -> 18.
U-air: Landing lag reduced, from 16 -> 13.

:4shulk:

N-air: Landing lag reduced, from 12 -> 10.
F-air: Landing lag reduced, from 18 -> 16.
B-air: Landing lag reduced, from 21 -> 19.
D-air: Landing lag reduced, from 25 -> 23.
U-air: Landing lag reduced, from 17 -> 15.
 
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And Uthrow does indeed have reduced endlag (separate from the move being overall faster due to hitlag reduction). I don't think seven frames is accurate though, probably more like three. LordWilliam1234 LordWilliam1234 and Lavani Lavani could I get you to frame count these? I can only frame count pre-patch values right now.
Looks like a five frame reduction to me.
 

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I tested it.
Luigi's up b kills cloud at 62.
When he's in Limit break, it's 64.
So, he gets some weight, fall speed or gravity change.....
 

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Spin Attack: Uncharged total frames from 81 -> 77. Full charge total frames from 139 -> 136. Start-up is the same for both.

Haven't checked his customs yet but that appears to be it in regards to Link's frame changes.
 
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Turns out Villager was nerfed. G&W too (I think.)

If a Villager pockets their teammates projectile, it now does half the damage/knockback than before, rather than double. That literally puts Villager from SSS tier in doubles to probably mid-tier. I did a preliminary test with G&W, and his bucket seems to have a similar effect.

Darn it.
 

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Bowser's side B got sped up on landing the command grab, and also got some invincibility until he moves into the air with his opponent (+ some new visual effects, though that's quite unimportant). I think aside from that and uthrow, Bowser is unchanged.
 

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Your description says team healing has been nerfed too, but I didn't see it. A 300% Lucario firing an aura sphere into Lucas' PSI magnet healed 30% for me regardless of whether or not Lucario was on Lucas' team.
i tested with lucas PSI magnet and falco laser, in teams on the same team it healed 4%, when not on the same team it healed 8%.
 

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Confirmations of endlag and landing lag that hasn't changed is also welcome.
 

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I can confirm that the recoil on Mewtwo's Shadow Ball has indeed been decreased, on both the ground and in the air.

Unfortunately I am at work and am testing on my break so am unable to provide video evidence. However, I have made some notes.

1.1.2
Takes 11 fully charged grounded SB's to reach the right side of Omega Battlefield to the left side.
Takes 2 fully charged aerial SB's to reach the right side of Omega Battlefield to the left side.

1.1.3
Takes 15 fully charged grounded SB's to reach the right side of Omega Battlefield to the left side.
Takes 4 fully charged aerial SB's to reach the right side of Omega Battlefield to the left side.

And this is big, I am pretty certain that Mewtwo's ground movement speed has been increased slightly, both walking and running. It is more noticable with running, you can see his tail waving about quicker. Does anybody else feel like testing this? If this is true, this is huge. It shows that they are willing to change character specific values, which could mean a weight change somewhere down the line!
 

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Some of my data for projectiles is missing. Looking into hitboxes of projectiles is also a valuable use of time, though Dantarion will hopefully make this easy.
 

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Cloud's Limit Cross Slash has invincibility.

I can't confirm how much exactly but he has it at least from frame 6 until (and I think including the frame) the move goes active.

Haven't confirmed if his other limits have invincibility or not but I'd assume at least Limit Climhazzard does.
 

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Sorry for the bad quality, but here is proof that Mewtwo's Running Speed has increased. I will upload the Walking Speed comparison shortly.

 

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Using Fox's method of frame skip I can confirm that Meta Knight's aerial lag is unchanged. This is not super precise so needs additional confirmation. He also still has his Shuttle Loop RCO lag. On initial appearance Meta Knight seems unchanged.
 

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The things I'd specifically look at for endlag changes are Needles, d-throw, Vanish, and Bouncing Fish. I'm super skeptical that anything else would be touched first.
I can't record, but needle kb and endlag are the same, bf, and dthrow are all the same.
I can second this. Needles fully charged and partial charge endlag is the same, all throws have the same end lag, and Bouncing Fish is the same, as in it has the same ending lag/landing lag, and no changes at all to the second flip. Finally Vanish is the same, as in it has the same landing lag.
 

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Shocking Spin (Up Special 2): Uncharged total frames reduced from 98 -> 93. Full charge total frames from 156 -> 152.

The spin attack changes for default and shocking spin are the only frame changes I could find for Link, excluding the extra shield advantage he now has on f-air which is due to the damage increases.

:4ryu: Doesn't appear to have gotten any frame changes.
:4palutena: Doesn't appear to have gotten any frame changes.
:4falco: Doesn't appear to have gotten any frame changes.
 
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Confirmations of endlag and landing lag that hasn't changed is also welcome.
By my own testing, only the aerials I've mentioned have reduced landing lag. It's always possible I've missed something, but I DID see 1 frame differences on Ganondorf's so, the possibility is unlikely at best. #humblebrag

Also just got finished looking for changes to throws in startup/endlag. Only Bowser's Uthrow is changed in this regard.

Still a lot of moves to get through. Thinkaman Thinkaman if you ever get wind of some kind of data dump to sift through, finding the rest of the changes should be like shooting fish in a barrel. But for now, this patch appears centered around very specific characters rather than small buffs across the board. We'll be mostly looking for changes to Ganondorf, Bowser, Robin, Shulk, Lucas, Mewtwo, and anybody else that has at least something confirmed at this point.
 
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Lucarios change to neutralB, the Angle 80 -> 83 and KBG 100 -> 93 refer to charging neutralB not to the projectile. The OP is not clear about this.

Mewtwos fair should be 18 -> 14 not 18 -> 16. Need someone to double check.
 
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:4lucas: Grab total frames from 50 -> 45
Dash Grab total frames from 60 -> 55
Pivot Grab is unchanged at 55 frames total. They sped up the animation towards the end but the total frames didn't change: his other grabs also have greatly sped up animations towards the end but I'm guessing they altered the FAF to compensate, hence the huge discrepancy in the OP's estimation.
F-air landing lag from 15 -> 12

:4robinm: D-smash total frames from 61 -> 56

:4lucario: Fall speed was very slightly increased.

On the left is 1.12, on the right is 1.13. Each one is falling from the peak of a vertical Extremespeed at 0%. I don't know how large a gif is too large so it's not frame by frame:



I can make one at 60fps if need be though.

Mewtwos fair should be 18 -> 14 not 18 -> 16. Need someone to double check.
It's 18 -> 14, I have it listed as such. Probably just a typo in the OP.
 
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I cofirmed that
  • Kirby's run speed(was 1.5 in 1.1.2) is very slightly faster than R.O.B.(1.568) now in WiiU.
  • Kirby's walk/air/fall speed hasn't changed.
  • Lucario's air speed(1.01 in 1.1.2) is at least faster than R.O.B.(1.08) and seems to be same as DHD(1.1) now.
  • Lucario's fast fall speed(1.56 in 1.1.2) is between MK(1.66) and ZSS(1.7) now.
  • Lucario's walk speed(1 in 1.1.2) is at least faster than Pac-Man(1.045) and seems to be same as MiiGunner(1.05) now.
 
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I cofirmed that
  • Kirby(his run speed was 1.5 in 1.1.2) is very slightly faster than R.O.B.(1.568) now in WiiU.
  • Lucario's air speed(1.01 in 1.1.2) is now at least faster than R.O.B.(1.08) and seems to be same as DHD(1.1) now.
  • Lucario's fast fall speed(1.56 in 1.1.2) is between MK(1.66) and ZSS(1.7) now.
I can also confirm that Lucario's air speed, both fall and fast fall speed have been increased. Though it is very negligible (certainly not as noticeable as Mewtwo's running speed increase), they are certainly changed, and results consistently showed this for it not to be human error. Though I cannot confirm the exact values like I was able to with Mewtwo, I can nonetheless confirm that Lucario's air speed, and both fall speeds have increased.

And Kirby's run speed has indeed increased slightly. It also is not very much, but the animation is noticeably quicker on 1/4 speed. Again, I cannot confirm values as I am away from my Wii U, but M Meshima is right in everything said about both Lucario and Kirby. Good spot.
 
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Bowser (1.792), Marth (1.785), Ike (1.5), Lucas (1.5), Falco (1.472), Dr. Mario (1.312), Dedede (1.36), Villager (1.27), Robin (1.15), Jigglypuff (1.155), Pit (1.66215), Dark Pit (1.66215) and Ganondorf (1.218) do not appear to have changed in running speed. However since I'm using other fighters for comparison it could be inaccurate if there were buffs to both of them...

I'm really liking Kirby's subtle boost in run speed.
 
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I couldn't find any changes of run/walk/fall/fastfall/air speed of Bowser, Ganondorf, Link, Lucas, Robin and Shulk.
 
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Hahahahaha. Bowser's DA gets nothing even though it's over 50 frames, it starts slower, he runs slower, and it does less damage.
I'm actually quite pleased for Charizard's dash attack. Lots of active frames, and with less endlag. Much like Donkey Kong's after that was patched. And speaking as a Bowser main, I can't complain with being given a combo throw like all of the other heavyweights. Good trade.

I love talking about the design philosophies surrounding such patch decisions, but I also love them more in dedicated Patch Note Discussion threads.

I am in the middle of in-depth comparisons of characters between pre and post patch. That one change to Charizard's dash attack being spotted in the last day should speak to how much nothing has changed in terms of frames. To anybody concerned about characters with differences in speed statistics (running speed, air speed, etc.), I can provide 1.12 footage for the next few days to help you prove it. Just contact me via Private Message.
 

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Slowly but surely double checking the rest of the cast:

:4duckhunt: Doesn't appear to have gotten any frame changes.
 

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Finished my attempt to spot FAF differences between patches, and there's nothing else to report. I didn't check every single custom move, since it's reasonable to assume this patch is like every patch before last one where the only customs that were changed were to coincide with changes to the default version, like Link's Up B total frame change

Thinkaman Thinkaman Here's a visual comparison of Mewtwo's Shadow Ball between patches. The size increase is not too large, so you have to look at the size in relation to Mewtwo's body to really see it in the first place.
 
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