˚ PEACH ˚ Updated! 9/6/2014

[ihskeyp]

You've got to be kidding me. Bout to block that *** on twitter. Ugh I hate liars.

 

[z00ted]

Changes made to Peach sound like everything I don't want for her in Smash 4.

I'll still give her a honest shot and try to discover ATs, etc. for a good portion of competing (cause I'm genuinely interested w/ how Zipzo has claimed she feels very "different") but if she's not quick or combo heavy compared to how she was in Brawl I'll drop her very quickly lol. Kie's wording doesn't seem too confident judging from what's been stated, if there was something monumentally good I'm pretty sure he'd mention it off the bat. Still hoping for the best though!

 

[Meru.]

"Can't attack out of second jump." what does that even mean?

That better not mean after I use my second jump, I can't attack at all.

That doesn't sound right - maybe it's related to not being able to Double Jump Cancel like in Melee. Not being able to actually attack during the 2nd jump would be an absurd and oddly specific change to Peach

My apologies, it seems I have mistranslated two points. The bolded and red parts are wrong:

A few things to add which Kie also states:

- Can't attack out of second jump.
- With the lowest altitude of floating, he means that you float slightly higher above the ground like you did in Melee. In Brawl, she would float lower to the ground, which means you could very effectively cancel dashes by floating and immediately canceling it. Apparently, this is out.
- Dsmash may have become even weaker. (Later however he says下スマはカスカスカス→微吹っ飛び？Is he implying the knockback may have got very slightly increased? I don't get this part)
- Can't say anything about the new Usmash
- Dair's knockback feels increased
- Glide toss is out.
- Air Dodge seems improved

These changes should be translated as follows (I have edited my initial post now):

- You can only attack once during a float. (very likely untrue)
- The ribbon hasn't increased Usmash's hitbox.
- Double Nair/Bair hit is gone.

According to this player who discusses the changes Kie posted on twitter (http://smashbros-matome.com/archives/12482012.html post number 646), he is not sure "what causes Peach to only be able to attack once during a float. The ending lag of her aerials may have increased or her floating time may have decreased. Anyway, it looks like a pretty painful nerf".

Personally I find it unlikely the ending lag of her aerials got increased but it may be possible they have decreased her floating time, or perhaps they have imposed some other kind of restriction that makes her unable to attack for a second time in her float.

Not entirely sure. Zipzo said it sucks opponents in and then hits them outwards with the last hit, and since SDI is apparently near-nonexistent in Smash 4, it'll launch people with the last hit every time. I decided to assume he was saying Dsmash was like Brawl, and not Melee's power.

Thanks for some clarification. Like I said, not the best with technical translations.

I thought your translations were really good actually, thanks a lot. Translating this stuff can be a real pain sometimes becomes of the terms they use, not to mention the move names. I never would have guessed he meant a stitchface with "hag rootstock"

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

- You can only attack once during a float.

I am ****ing done.

Wow.

Words cannot even describe how incredulous I am with Sakurai right now.

Edit: So this probably means that, combined with increased Dair knock back, we won't be seeing any Dair strings this time around :/

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

You can only attack once during a float

Im done. i can't even...

 

[Deleted member]

- You can only attack once during a float.

I'm so close to not maining Peach in ssb4.

 

[z00ted]

Yeah, that's a surefire towel-throw. If we can't find a way around that there's no way I'm playing her.
What was Sakurai thinking? Perhaps the balance team was watching too much Melee?

Don't even know how to begin thinking about this. Really upsetting X(

 

[micstar615]

You can only attack once during a float? I hope this isn't true. If it is then everything that made Peach unique is being nerfed? I don't get why, she was already pretty meh in Brawl. If anything they should've buffed her, instead they severely nerfed her float game, which was her main niche. I hope this is wrong. I can take the nerfed turnip but this would be truly saddening.

 

[Reila]

Yikes, Peach sounds bad. Still, I recommend waiting for the game to be out before writing her off.

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

Yeah, that's a surefire towel-throw. If we can't find a way around that there's no way I'm playing her.
What was Sakurai thinking? Perhaps the balance team was watching too much Melee?

If Peach becomes the new Jigglypuff , i'm so done with these games.
This just cant be happening! They are gonna make me even Miss Brawl Peach

 

[z00ted]

Yeah, this is some seriously horrifying stuff lmao. Honestly this is even worse than Diddy's loss of a banana.
There's almost no way a character can recover from nerfs like that (esp. Peach), it DEFINES their competitive nature.

 

[Deleted member]

Yikes, Peach sounds bad. Still, I recommend waiting for the game to be out before writing her off.

She's gotten too many nerfs. I'm actually pissed about it. I really am close to dropping her if the one attack per float thing is true. That would be a horrible nerf.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Well I can see why they kept her behind the scenes. Peachy had to be slammed on with Nerf Hammer after looking how well she just truly performs before. Yikes...

I hope the above aren't truly true at the end, I'd miss my amazing Peach from last games. Combining this with Marth's nerfs, my old Smash couple would feel almost dead to me.

Such a sad, sad day guys...

 

[shininimuss]

So when is the smash 4+ mod coming out?

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

It's like Sakurai made a checklist of everything that made Brawl Peach good and then went 'Nope! Not this time!'

Hell, even the Uair change is a double edged sword considering the higher hitstun in this game would have been ideal for Peach Uair strings that you see in Brawl

P.S before I forget can I just say thanks to the people in this thread providing translations of Kie's info - this info is hugely appreciated. Send Kie a big thanks as well if you get the chance

 

[Reila]

She's gotten too many nerfs. I'm actually pissed about it. I really am close to dropping her if the one attack per float thing is true. That would be a horrible nerf.

I stand by my statement: Wait for the game to be out before passing judgment on Smash 4 Peach.

So when is the smash 4+ mod coming out?

It could happen in a few years for Smash 3DS, at least.

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

So when is the smash 4+ mod coming out?

Don't play with my feelings! (i know you are joking)

 

[Meru.]

I got this info from some people commenting on Kie's tweets. Kie is being somewhat unclear with one of his changes so there is a possibilty that it's simply misinterpreted.

I'm currently looking what other commenters have to say about the change (on here http://toro.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/famicom/1409973437/), perhaps Kie just meant something else. I'll inform you whenever I get to know something.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay so lets see:
Buffs (from what i remember):
-Rainbow move is very strong
-Peach Bomber is faster
-Her 2nd jump is higher
-Fsmash is in a set order
-Dsmash now sucks opponents in
Nerfs:
-Turnip Pluck speed
-Fair landing lag
-One attack per float

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

I got this info from some people commenting on Kie's changes. Kie is being somewhat unclear with one of his changes so there is a possibilty that it's simply misinterpreted.

I'm currently looking what other commenters have to say about the change (on here http://toro.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/famicom/1409973437/), perhaps Kie just meant something else. I'll inform you whenever I get to know something.

Thank you , you are awsome ☻

 

[Deleted member]

This is a side note: I've never seen this many people on this thread before o-o.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I hope you can confirm away the nerfs...

 

[ffdgh]

- You can only attack once during a float.
Please be a mistake...please be a mistake.

- The ribbon hasn't increased Usmash's hitbox.
So you still gotta be right beside someone for it to actually be useful again? Great....

*Sigh* Even if she's by some cruel joke worse than brawl, I'll stick with her. Hope she has some buffs somewhere...

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

I Hope Peach stays as the Queen!

Otherwise , i'd have not choice but to switch to Rosalina (again)

 

[z00ted]

I can't stop laughing. If all of this is true she's gonna be chilling w/ Hyrule tier, possibly even below them.

 

[deepseadiva]

She just doesn't sound broken - which is what I was praying for in some form. That's what she's gonna need to compete.

Though, just as well, the rest of the roster doesn't sound broken either. So their might be a lower standard this go around, and not have MK/Snake levels to compare to. In that kind of metagame, an "okay" character like Peach could do fairly well if piloted skillfully.

 

[Meru.]

Aaaaah no I think I see what he means! So basically what happened is:

I found that site that lists the changes and I discovered that it's a discussion between a few people.

One of them interpreted the change as "only one attack per float".
The other one, however, interpreted it as "double hit aerials are gone". He means the stuff where you float a Nair or Bair and cancel your float which causes Nair/Bair to hit twice and do more damage.

I'm actually 95% sure Kie means the second one. No worries guys, Peach is still alive! Sorry if I gave you heart attacks and all, this change was a bit hard to understand.

So yeah, in conclusion the change (very likely) is:

- Double Nair/Bair hit is gone.

My apologies for any shocks I could have caused.

 

[deepseadiva]

No worries guys, Peach is still alive! Sorry if I gave you heart attacks and all, this change was a bit hard to understand.

RIP everyone.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

One of them interpreted the change as "only one attack per float".
The other one, however, interpreted it as "double hit aerials are gone". He means the stuff where you float a Nair or Bair and cancel your float which causes Nair/Bair to hit twice and do more damage.

I'm actually 95% sure Kie means the second one. No worries guys, Peach is still alive! Sorry if I gave you heart attacks and all, this change was a bit hard to understand.

Phew. I guess we just gotta change the floating game a bit. Yay though for float attacks still being alive. Just gotta wait until the release so we can examine her in full.

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

Aaaaah no I think I see what he means! So basically what happened is:

I found that site that lists the changes and I discovered that it's a discussion between a few people.

One of them interpreted the change as "only one attack per float".
The other one, however, interpreted it as "double hit aerials are gone". He means the stuff where you float a Nair or Bair and cancel your float which causes Nair/Bair to hit twice and do more damage.

I'm actually 95% sure Kie means the second one. No worries guys, Peach is still alive! Sorry if I gave you heart attacks and all, this change was a bit hard to understand.

OMG There's HOPE!

Peach isnt Dead!!!

 

[ffdgh]

Aaaaah no I think I see what he means! So basically what happened is:

I found that site that lists the changes and I discovered that it's a discussion between a few people.

One of them interpreted the change as "only one attack per float".
The other one, however, interpreted it as "double hit aerials are gone". He means the stuff where you float a Nair or Bair and cancel your float which causes Nair/Bair to hit twice and do more damage.

I'm actually 95% sure Kie means the second one. No worries guys, Peach is still alive! Sorry if I gave you heart attacks and all, this change was a bit hard to understand.

Oh thank goodness...That worried me more than it should have XD. Will miss double N air and B air tho.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

"Sorry but your princess is in another castle! Hyrule Castle that is. She accidentally took a nerf bat to the face and landed there. Head on over and you'll find her in the castle grounds, stuck in her new Fair landing lag."

 

[deepseadiva]

So it doesn't... auto cancel anymore?

I'm still skeptical of everything. There's gonna be a whole new world of ATs, and a whole new understanding of the game physics. As much as we're learning "some of the things from Brawl are missing", there's going to be a lot of new discoveries specific to Smash 4. I'm not worried... yet.

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

Me before the lastest news :

After the lastest News :

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Omg @ M Meru. plz it's getting close to midnight here and my emotions can't handle this right now D:

Following on from what @ deepseadiva said, there's one new tech people have found already - pivot tilts. This could be very exciting with Peach's F Tilt



Speaking tilts, does Peach's D Tilt still have that momentum thing which allowed you to perform sliding Turnip pulls for example?

 

[micstar615]

I think all of the Peach fans just let out a collective sigh lmao

 

[FireFrost]

I was seriously worried. Peach's turnips and float are what she relies on and to have had them BOTH nerfed would have been heartbreaking.

 

[Camalange]

Reading this all was a roller coaster of emotions.

I'm still confused though as to how the ribbons don't improve the usmash hitbox, as it definitely did in one of the screenshots earlier in development.

 

[im just peachy]

I'm so close to not maining Peach in ssb4.

INO YAMANAKA

I think all of the Peach fans just let out a collective sight lmao

So yeah, in conclusion the change (very likely) is:
- Double Nair/Bair hit is gone.

 

[z00ted]

So eager to break down this character!!