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  • It's funny how now that Smash is focusing on big show-stoppers, the fangames that once succeeded by making those dreams come true are now putting in the absurd and unpredictable retro characters people originally played these games to avoid.
    I grew up with Diddy Kong Racing DS, and when I heard what Taj sounded like in the original N64 version I was actually kinda horrified. Not because of the Arabface (well... partially) but rather because he wasn't enunciating everything condescendingly.
    I really hope developing my game will be as fun as conceptualising it has been.

    Recently I decided I wanted my game's universe to have reverse cartoon dimorphism (basically, imagine all the women look like EarthBound characters, and all the men look like Pokémon characters) - but then I realised: I already had the design for my protag, and he's a cartoonish boy! So you know what I did?

    Bam! She's a girl now, just needed eyelashes and longer hair on the front - also sleeves. I can't remember why I put in the sleeves. (This design is 100% not final BTW, I want to give her a stronger silhouette) But the thing is: I already had his name - Daniel - and that's not a very feminine name! But then inspiration struck from the most stupid possible place: the original version of Caillou was a baby and when they aged him up for TV they kept him bald because it was impossible to imagine him with hair

    and now Caillou is iconic as "the bald cartoon boy", so naturally Daniel can become iconic as "the mermaid platformer mascot with a male name" because of an odd holdover

    Now, the game's previous working title, the embarassing borderline-parody "Bodacious Dude Daniel" became a problem because, well, "Dude" is in it. I evaluated multiple title options and settled on "Daniel's Peculiar Tail"

    It seemed like a title that could've actually been given to a 90s game and not a parody; I felt a "Name the Species" title only really works if they're a relatively obscure animal (hedgehog, bandicoot) and have a descriptive name; (supersonic speed, crashing into boxes) and while "tail" is refering to Daniel's fin as well as a story in this context I hoped it'd create positive subconcious associations with Sonic's buddy Tails given my only real target audience (I don't believe in target audiences TBH, but there's certainly people who will like my game more than others) is fans of 2D Sonic disillusioned by 3D outings, especially the "Adventure" and "Dark" Eras which notably downplayed Tails' sidekick role as they went on.
    If Takamaru got in Smash, they should scrimblofy him - and possibly even age him down - like how they animefied Pit. It'd distinguish him further from a majority of swordfighters (MK and Toon being the only real similar comparisons), shorten his frame, and be pretty cool for the 5 classic Pit enjoyers out there.
    Tankman from Newgrounds
    Tankman from Newgrounds
    No, Takamaru can't be Scrimblofied. He is still perfect like himself.
    Unless Takamaru would be too Anime-styled person and we need to change him, but no.

    And speaking of Classic Pit, Classic pit would be DLC Costume for Pit, but it would look like Melee Trophy Pit to make him more Realistic, but not too realistic like Modern Pit.
    cashregister9
    cashregister9
    They kinda already did with Takamaru in Captain Rainbow...
    It's the morning, I've stayed awake all night and I'm tired out of my mind, and I just wrote a roster for a Simpsons platform fighter complete with archetypes.

    In case you're wondering, Sideshow Bob's stances would be between his regular self (short knife, more power) and captain persona (long sword, less power)
    I will never understand why people put down Waluigi because "he was made to be Wario's tennis partner" - I'd argue that if anything that proves his importance as a character given most game characters are made to fill gameplay roles wheras Waluigi was created specifically to fill a canonical role.
    Just added Wii Menu Ambience to the Smash Infinite music list 💪😎👍
    PlayStation All-Stars is often said to be a victim of bad timing - which is true, but not just in the roster sense. PSASBR was very clearly made by passionate Smash fans, pretty much everything a casual player would conciously love about about 64 though Brawl is there: the engine feels good, the roster is incredible for a first instalment even without triangle-breasted treasure hunters or mutated marsupials, and there's a lot of genuinely clever moves and gameplay additions. The problem was that Smash, from a gameplay level, wasn't fully understood by anyone other than the devs and competitive players at the time - and even then competitive players were still fooling around on Poké Floats and Rainbow Cruise at the time

    If you were trying to distinguish your platform fighter from Smash without any knowledge of competitive play or the games' internal mechanics, your first thought wouldn't be air grabs or removing blocks, it'd be changing how you kill. PSASBR tried having super meters that were the only way to kill - a fun concept on paper that probably could've worked in a more simple genre, but fighting games - trad or plat - are inherently complex, and PSASBR's super meter punishes careful thought. PaRappa's neutral circle, a command grab and parody of Mortal Kombat's "Get Over Here!" using a microphone is extremely easy to spam as it can be cancelled into itself. That'd be bad enough in a Smash game, but at the very least in Smash the hip hop hero would actually need to kill using strong moves - in PSASBR, you just have to wait to hit Level 2 (PaRappa's level 1 is harder to pull off than rest) and with a now-disgraced voice actor's cry of "My skateboard NEEEEEEEEVER stops!" you've won the match before you can say "I gotta believe!" Ratchet is a braindead trapper who fills the screen with projectiles with no thought, Big Daddy and Afro-form Toro the Sony Cat's down strongs over-compensate for their slow speed with power and XP gain, and don't even get me started on Kratos

    Rivals of Aether came out a bit later, when competitive Smash was better understood and more mainstream, and I'd say it layed the groundworks for platform fighters in future even more than Smash did. It wasn't afraid of comparisons to it's influence, but differentiated itself in small ways even casual fans would recognise once they played. Now we know that throwing foes off the stage is as essential to platform fighters as stamina bars are to traditional fighters - platform fighters are fighters, yes, but they're also platformers, and platformers are all about mobility. Recovering back to stage tasks mobility, and therefore is an essential part of the genre. I personally hope future platform fighters can find fun ways to vary the launching off-stage aspect - Nickelodeon's divisive rock-paper-scissors mechanic feels like it could do this to a small extent in practice by basically making strong airs anti-spikes - but either way it shouldn't be cut unless you're going exclusively casual, and in that case you may want to simplify your game a little. Shovel Knight Showdown is a really good example of a casual-only platform fighter because it doesn't pretend to have depth and has a unique gimmick that actively makes it better casually but also makes it very clear it doesn't have any hidden depth - small, non-unified movesets.

    If PSASBR was made today by the same team and helped by better higher ups, it would've been phenomenal, possibly a legit Smash rival if they could get all or most of the characters they wanted. There are so many competitive Smash resources and game design analysises to sink your teeth into now that even someone who can't tell a wavedash from a waveland could make a passable platform fighter if they just spent a few months researching - PSASBR only really had a casual understanding of Smash and the vast but tangentially related world of traditional fighters to go off of.

    Either way, the future for platform fighters is bright - even if (or possibly because!) Smash may or may not take a 10 year hiatus. Rivals' custom characters in particular give me hope. There are so many well-designed characters and stages there and I would happily buy a whole game made by devs with Workshop experience.
    I've been getting an influx of unwanted DMs lately, so I will say this:

    Please do not DM me unless it is important, in relation to creation threads, or you're someone I'm on good terms with. DMs make me extremely anxious because I associate DMs with reports.
    I felt it'd be fun to design how I'd do VC on Switch, this is some pipe dream stuff but it's still run to imagine

    There is a unified pricing system - so, for example, EarthBound would cost the same price as F-Zero - however, games are incredibly cheap. Given how easy splurging could be, Switch System Settings would let you choose between having each VC game be a single app or their own slot on the menu. Nintendo's arcade titles would still be distributed through Hamster's Arcade Archives.

    NES/Game Boy/Game Boy Colour: £2.99
    SNES/GBA: £3.99
    N64/DS: £6.99
    GameCube: £9.99

    Nintendo's games would not be drip fed but rather all of them would be avaliable from day one bar copyright issues (though attempts would be made to get those games), while third party titles would be added periodically

    If an accessory or gimmick is possible (and comfortable) to support, it'll be supported. Sorry Boktai. Gimmicky games usually aren't part of the bundles mentioned below, but there are exceptions.

    Each Switch would come bundled with 11 retro games, determined by the colour of the Joy-Cons bundled with the console bought - all except one (Tetris (GB)) are first party, Tetris is also a constant between all game lists with the rest being 2 NES, 2 SNES, 2 GB, 2 GBA, 2 N64. The pre-loaded games can be deleted to save space and redownloaded. Bundled games can be bought from the eShop if they're not included with your style.

    For colourful Joy-Cons (casual focus)
    1. Excitebike (NES)
    2. Kirby's Adventure (NES)
    3. Super Mario World (SNES)
    4. Donkey Kong Country (SNES)
    5. Game & Watch Gallery (GB)
    6. Mole Mania (GB)
    7. WarioWare Twisted! (GBA)
    8. Kuru Kuru Kururin (GBA)
    9. Pokémon Puzzle League (64)
    10. Mario Kart 64 (64)
    for darker Joy-Cons (hardcore focus)
    1. Kid Icarus (NES)
    2. StarTropics (NES)
    3. Super Metroid (SNES)
    4. EarthBound (SNES)
    5. X (GB) (English!)
    6. Frog for Whom the Bell Tolls (GB) (English!)
    7. Golden Sun (GBA)
    8. Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones (GBA)
    9. Ocarina of Time (64)
    10. Lylat Wars (64)
    When you boot up your Switch for the first time, the order of the retro games displayed will be based on what profile icon you choose - for example, a Donkey Kong profile icon would prioritise DKC while a Kirby icon would prioritise Kirby's Adventure. However, Tetris will always come first regardless of icon or joy con colours. Other Switch variants may have different game lists, for example the Mario Odyssey set would come with these Mario games alongside Tetris

    1. Super Mario Bros. (NES)
    2. Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES)
    3. Super Mario World (SNES)
    4. Yoshi's Island (SNES)
    5. Super Mario Land (GB)
    6. Donkey Kong 94 (GB)
    7. Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 (GBA)
    8. Wario Land 4 (GBA)
    9. Super Mario 64 (64)
    10. Mario Kart 64 (64)

    and the Fortnite set would have these games alongside Tetris, chosen to appeal to a Fortnite audience on either a thematic or mechanical level:
    1. Mach Rider (NES)
    2. Kid Icarus (NES)
    3. Tin Star (SNES)
    4. Super Metroid (SNES)
    5. X (GB) (English!)
    6. Solar Striker (GB)
    7. Advance Wars (GBA)
    8. Drill Dozer (GBA)
    9. Lylat Wars (64)
    10. Wave Race 64 (64)
    Of course, the Smash Ultimate set would feature characters or stages in the game who's origins or importance may be foreign to younger gamers:
    1. Ice Climber (NES)
    2. Balloon Fight (NES)
    3. EarthBound (SNES)
    4. Donkey Kong Country 2 (SNES)
    5. Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters (GB)
    6. Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land (GB)
    7. Metroid: Zero Mission (GBA)
    8. Game & Watch Gallery 4 (GBA)
    9. Super Smash Bros. (N64)
    10. F-Zero X (N64)

    There would also be an officially licensed ROM dumper periphiral for the Switch, known as the "Game Transformer", allowing players to convert their old cartridges and discs into Switch titles.

    Fan-made mods, if of a high enough quality, could be released as official titles with permission from and compensation towards their devs.
    KneeOfJustice99
    KneeOfJustice99
    "We're pleased to announce that we're introducing the Virtual Console service to the Nintendo Switch! Please keep your eyes peeled for Super Mario Bros, the hit 1985 platformer released on the NES, and being sold for the low price of $9.99 (not including import tax.) This is the end of our announcement - the next Virtual Console Direct will be in 8 months. Goodbye!"

    Jokes aside, I love your idea there... I'm just not sure how some people would feel about the free games they get being defined by the colours of Joy-Cons they buy. Otherwise, though? I a d o r e it.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    The reasoning for the Joy-Con colour thing was age ratings - I wanted to include a variety of different games, but certain games would've bumped up the console's age rating, thus I went for accessible 3-rated games on the colourful Joy-Con bundle, and more serious or niche games that could be rated up to 12 on the monochrome Joy-Con bundle. Face Raiders bumping up the rating of the 3DS as a console didn't help it overcome the "it hurts eyes!" controversy, heh.
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    I'd kill for a Green and red joycon pack based on Metroid.
    I will never understand what Sega were thinking giving 3D Sonic games analogue (360) movement instead of digital (8 or 16-directional) for so long.
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    Are you saying every 3d Sonic game should be like Sonic 3D Blast?
    I always thought Banjo's stage in Smash would be like a mix of Temple and Golden Plains.

    I'm not sure if I'm happy or upset that I'm wrong.

    The Spiral Mountain stage is fun, but is somewhat of a low-mid-tier stage IMO. Feels like what someone with no knowledge of competitive play outside of "they don't like items, hazards, or walkoffs" would think competitive players would like.
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    My problem with most new Smash Ultimate stages (not everyone doh, but a good chunk of them) is that they seem really toned down due to that approach you mention of someone not understanding what a proper competitive stage would be and yet wanting to make one.

    The biggest example was Dracula's Castle: during the pre-release they were hyping It up as this cool thing and even seemingly teasing up some sort of gimmick involving Dracula and Kid Dracula... But in the end It turned out to be a rather whatever stage and Kid Dracula didn't even end up appearing in the game beyond a shadow. So that was quite dissapointing.

    There are other examples such as the BotW stage or the Xenoblade 2 stage... But yeah all in all I get this feeling that the devs were really scared of getting experimental with the new stages after how people reacted back then to Great Cave Offensive or Mario Bros.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    It's weird too - because half of Melee's stages were made for competitive play, and while not all succeeded (Corneria was supposed to be a competitive stage for example), some of them like Yoshi's Story and Fountain of Dreams are pretty much perfect outside of some small flaws.
    Where do you fall on the "Sakurai wants your character" aligment chart?

    I've already made it clear I fall into the "True Neutral" in this scenario with my incessant Moleposting, but Chaotic Neutral, Neutral Evil, and Lawful Good are also tempting.
    I've always found the "Sakurai just wanted a party game!" mentality so weird - a majority of Smash movesets are quite clearly designed intelligently to work in competitive play with their own playstyles, (bar a few noodle saleswomen and hedgehogs here and there) and that applies to all instalments including the primitive 64 and borderline-maliciously-designed Brawl. If Sakurai wants to make a mindless button masher a la Mario Party, he's doing a pretty bad job of it - or I guess too good a job for his own good?
    Just testing the waters here: do any of these game concepts sound interesting?
    1. A platform fighter with diagonal air attacks, light/strong specials, and chargable throws
    2. A Lemmings-beat 'em up hybrid where you influence the other screen by attacking enemies and scenery
    3. A golf platformer (like Itchy & Scratchy on Game Boy, but good)
    4. A satirical simulation game where you have to decide what characters to add to a big crossover game
    5. A faux GBA/DS port for an existing game, featuring the same characters and similar locations, but 2D gameplay and a lot of subtle but odd differences, both to canon and gameplay.
    6. A mascot multiplayer dogfighting (with planes) game
    7. A Mother-like that emphasises the "scrappy group of weirdo kids' friendship" element over the "trauma and eldritch horror" element (which would be non-existant)
    8. A 3D platforming foot racer a la Rayman M with more mechanical depth
    9. A real time point-and-click with a "living" protagonist (capable of their own decisions) a la Pac-Man 2
    10. A linear 3D platformer (more Mario 3D World than Crash) with a character who can fling off walls like Mario Odyssey's Pokio (woodpecker) character.
    11. A sokoban puzzle game focused on mirrors, where certain objects will react to them in different ways.
    I've joked before about how the modern Nickelodeon logo's backstory (redesigned because it looked too cluttered on a business card) sounds like something a Nicktoon villain would do - but as it turns out, its designer shares a name with one of the most iconic Nick villains.
    take Oil Panic, add Waft, sprinkles in a tiny pinch of Rebel's Guard, and you've got First Fart.
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    Torgo the Bear
    Torgo the Bear
    Dang…I think I might be maining those eeediots
    They seem to have the best moveset for me so far out of the ones we’ve seen. Still definitely interested in Reptar, though…
    DrCoeloCephalo
    DrCoeloCephalo
    Okay, so it seems like Ren and Stimpy play alot more like Wario., which is perfect for me.
    Aerials that cover their whole body much like PM or Ultimate NAir.
    A DAirStrong similar to Wario's Ground Pound DAir in PM.
    A DashStrong that uses a vehicle like Wario Bike which can also be comboed off of.
    Even their Down Special is a hybrid of a Counter plus Wario Waft.

    I love this SO much.
    Lizzie from Rampage's existence is kinda astonishing. She debuted only a few months after Samus as a female protagonist (villain protagonist in this case) in the same hypermacho gaming environment, but her gender isn't a surprise nor a personality/design trait: it's just told to you casually on the CSS and that's that!
    1. Turning Mario Kart into Nintendo Kart
    2. Localising Mother 3
    3. Nintendo buying back Rare
    The Satanic trinity of terrible ideas Nintendo fans think they want.
    Still can't believe Nick Brawl got a dual wielder swordfighter before Smash

    They literally only have one swordfighter and he's still more unique on a conceptual level than 57% of Smash's swordies (I counted.)
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