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  • Every key character from Bayonetta 1 and 2 is a spirit except Enzo. Why did they leave out Enzo?
    Perkilator
    Perkilator
    Think Danny DeVito’s Italian-blood dastard son taking swearing lessons from Sam L. Jackson. That’s probably why.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    They probably just forgot about him, which I wouldn't put past the spirit team.
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    But Bayonetta, Jeanne, Luka and Rodin swear too.
    One of the main purposes of Smash is to market other games. Most DLC newcomers are each meant to be an ad for something.

    Smash 4 Ryu was an ad for Street Fighter V.
    Smash 4 Cloud was an ad for FF7 Remake.
    Smash 4 Corrin was meant to be an ad for FE Fates.
    Smash 4 Bayonetta was an ad for Bayonetta 2.
    Joker was meant to be an ad for Persona 5 Royal.
    Hero was meant to be an ad for DQ11 Switch.
    Terry was meant to be an ad for KoF15.
    Byleth was meant to be an ad for FE Three Houses.
    ARMS character is meant to be an ad for ARMS.
    MajoraMoon
    MajoraMoon
    Funny, you skipped Banjo and Kazooie oh, and Piranha Plant
    Champion of Hyrule
    Champion of Hyrule
    I don't think Terry would count since he was first thought of for the game well over a year before KoF XV was even announced. I doubt Nintendo would actually know about upcoming games for a different studio.
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    Banjo was a fan service pick also wasn't Piranha Plant supposed to be a base game character?
    ARMS 2 should have a story mode. It doesn't have to be like Splatoon's Hero mode. It could be like the Mario Tennis Aces Adventure mode but way longer. ARMS's gameplay isn't built for 3D platformer style levels the way Splatoon is anyway.
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    I'm curious as to why you're so into speculation. That's all you post sometimes. Makes me wonder.
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    Because I have tons of ideas for things that should be in Smash and I like sharing them. For example if Spring Man gets in and Ribbon Girl is an alt for him, then Spring Man should have an alt that resembles Max Brass and Ribbon Girl should have an alt that resembles Dr. Coyle because Max Brass and Dr. Coyle are two very important characters in ARMS.
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    Deleted member
    That's good...but explain your reason a bit more =)
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    Because I like speculating and I really hope the ideas I have get put into Smash.
    Cloud and Joker may be famous characters but what makes them important to Nintendo's history? Every other 3rd party character has a strong connection to Nintendo.
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    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    The Final Fantasy and Persona franchises made an impact on Nintendo's history but Cloud and Joker themselves didn't make an impact on Nintendo's history. FF7 and Persona 5 should have been put on Nintendo consoles before they joined the Smash series.
    MajoraMoon
    MajoraMoon
    That... confuses me. First of all, they don't have to be put on Nintendo consoles first. Sakurai is not limited to such rules. And as mentioned before, they don't have to be an impact to Nintendo history to be in Smash. If sakurai wants it then fine. Good enough for me. FF7 didn't really impact Nintendo but it did impact gaming as a whole. That's why FF7 at least is important
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    It's less about being important to Nintendo's history, and more of "let's include any really cool character as soon as possible, as long as they showed up on Nintendo hardware somehow, no matter how minimal of a presence they had on it before then". We've yet to see a single character that hasn't made use of this loophole, even Joker used it on extremely short notice (and even if you didn't count that, Phantom Strikers was conspicuously confirmed to come with a Switch version, on the time of his gameplay reveal).

    Maybe it's to make negotiations easier, but we'll never really know since the subject isn't delved into much.
    No matter who the ARMS character is, this should be their Classic Mode route (it references ARMS's Grand Prix mode):

    Round 1: Mii Brawler dressed as Ribbon Girl. Stage: ARMS stage.
    Round 2: Simon. Stage: Dracula's Castle.
    Round 3: Little Mac. Stage: Boxing Ring.
    Bonus Game.
    Round 4: Incineroar. Stage: Prisim Tower.
    Round 5: Ryu. Stage: Suzaku Castle.
    Round 6: Metal Mii Brawler that's dressed as Spring Man (he's supposed to represent Springtron). Stage: Suzaku Castle.
    Final Round: Navy blue Captain Falcon followed by dark grey red eyed Meta Knight (they're supposed to represent Max Brass and Hedlok). Stage: Fourside (omega form).

    Every round is also a timed stamina battle.
    If Spring Man is FP6, there should be 3 alts of him, 3 for Ribbon Girl and 2 for Springtron, that's 8 costumes.
    The Byleth DLC has Sakurai bias written all over it.
    I've got a gut feeling that Spring Man, Isaac, Rex and Geno will be 4 of the 6 Vol. 2 characters.
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    Phoenix Douchebag
    I love Isaac to make it in but if we get an AT promotion, i only see Waluigi and Spring Man as the real contenders. I also think Rhythm Heaven as a chance to make an upgrade.
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    Women. Where are the women?

    *sees Rex*

    This is gonna be a 50-50.
    The Emoji Movie wouldn't be so bad if the jokes weren't so cringe inducing.
    Mamboo07
    Mamboo07
    I agree, it's sad that Popeye was scrapped and we got this emoji monstrosity.
    Will this pandemic be written in history books like 9/11 was? Future children and teens would have to write essays and take tests about the 2020 pandemic.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    Meanwhile, most people forget that the Black Plague was a thing. Plague Knight looks the way he is for a reason.
    MajoraMoon
    MajoraMoon
    It would be SO COOL if people wore plague masks instead of the typical doctors mask XD
    pupNapoleon
    pupNapoleon
    This is a much bigger global event than 9/11. That changed the world in one instant. This will continue to have intense consequenes rippling out for generations. It could possibly break down the entire US economy, just to start. I'd suggest following Warren Buffet, Goldman Sachs, and Bill Gates for exactly how this could play out.

    This is an event unparalleled in modern history- meaning history anyone alive can currently remember; yes I'm including World War 2 and the Spanish Plague.
    Rate this Spring Man moveset:

    Neutral special: Dragon glove. It fires a long laser that hurts the first thing it hits.

    Side special: Chilla glove. Press and hold B to charge this move and when it's done charging, press B again to throw a long ranged punch using the Chilla glove which freezes the opponent who gets hit by it.

    Up special: Spring Man punches the ground which reoils himself into the air.

    Down special: Clapback glove. It's a shield that reflects projectiles also any opponents who run into the Clapback glove will automatically be bounced back like a pinball.

    Final Smash: Hedlok. Spring Man wears him which gives him 4 extra arms and throws a flurry of punches using all 6 arms and then Hedlok fires a giant ball of energy that explodes when it hits something.
    Rare Replay not coming to Switch doesn't make any sense at all. Banjo came to Smash so his games should be on Switch.
    When a 1st party game becomes successful, that means Sakurai has to give it a rep in Smash hence to why Inkling, Incineroar, Byleth and ARMS character got in.
    Let's think of all the good things that happened because of the Coronavirus.

    - Frozen II and Onward wouldn't be on Disney+ if not for the virus.
    - Because of the virus, we don't have to go to work or school.

    What other good things happened?
    Are Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Splatoon Nintendo's four largest 1st party IPs?
    Strong Badam
    Strong Badam
    Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Donkey Kong if you ignore Wii as an IP (which it technically is). If you consider Pokemon a 2nd party, then Kirby.
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    Nintendo gets help from other companies while making Pokemon, Kirby and DK. They make Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Splatoon all by themselves.
    Strong Badam
    Strong Badam
    That's a reasonable distinction to make but it wasn't your initial question. You asked which were their largest IPs, and your original list was inaccurate under those conditions so you got some replies.
    Sakurai said Ultimate was for good boys and girls but that doesn't mean good boys and girls are Ultimate's only primary target demographic. If so there wouldn't be any point of including characters good boys and girls don't recognize. What good boy or girl knew who Joker was when he was announced? They didn't recognize him but teens and adults did so Ultimate's primary target demographic must be good boys, good girls, teens and adults all together.
    Banjo is basically Nintendo's prodigal son who finally came home after nearly 15 years.
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    Deleted member
    Unless they're even planning to make a new game with them.

    Also, I do hope everyone stops calling the duo just by the bear. It's a microaggression. Though I do agree that BK's comeback was the most hype thing they sought after for many years.
    Champion of Hyrule
    Champion of Hyrule
    Teeeeeeeeeechnically in this case it’s just Banjo because banjo debuted in Diddy Kong Racing without Kazooie, but who really cares about that
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    Being a speculator yourself, what can you say about the possibility of female fighters this pass? Considering that most of the names tossed are male..
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    There's the chance Rex & Pyra will be in Vol. 2. Pyra is female.
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    Deleted member
    That is good and all, but what about solo female fighters (not including alts). I'm talking like, Bayonetta.
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    There's the chance Dixie Kong will be DLC but 2B can't join unless she's been in at least one game on a Nintendo console before joining. Cloud was in Kingdom Hearts on Nintendo consoles and Persona Q2 was on 3DS before Joker was announced so they were eligible.
    It doesn't take two years to make 6 characters unless an outbreak is slowing down the development on the 6 characters.
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    Deleted member
    I'll thank you not to delve into conspiracy theories. Let's keep in mind that they meant December of 2021 at the latest. "The Latest" for the first fighters pass was February 2020 and it was finished before then. Also, "It doesn't take two years to make 6 characters"? How do you know?
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    Because Ultimate began development in early 2016 and it released in late 2018 and Ultimate had 74 characters (76 counting Pokemon Trainer's 3). They made 74-76 characters in under 3 years.
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    Deleted member
    Yeah and a lot of them were characters they made before and didn't have to do from scratch. Not to mention Echo fighters. Please don't talk like you know how the process of developing characters goes. You don't. I don't either. No fan does.
    Some people actually think FP6 was meant to be 3rd party but they made it 1st party because of the Coronavirus. FP6 was always meant to be an ARMS character.
    Many of the ARMS gloves would play too similarly in Smash so the Toaster, Boomerang, Tribolt, Dragon, Clapback, Megaton, Kablammer, Blorb, Parasol and Popper gloves are the only gloves that need to be used in Spring Man's moveset.
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    Deleted member
    As if Spring Man is the automatic lock....
    MilkCalf
    MilkCalf
    I mean Simon and Richter and Samus and Dark Samus exist. There could also easily be a Pikachu clone that does fire damage instead of electric damage. Sure it doesn't make much of a difference but different elements would be super easy to implement.
    If Joker wasn't put in Smash, Switch owners wouldn't care about Persona 5 and they wouldn't be asking for a Switch port of it.
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    Deleted member
    Not true. Would there be less people asking for it? More than likely. But there would still be Switch Owners who would care about Persona 5 and would like to see a port. Don’t group everyone into one generalization.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    I care about the SMT-verse even before that happened, and I think asking for it is a waste of time, since Persona fans barely get to see their stuff ported onto anything that's not a Sony system. Phantom Strikers was a lucky accident simply since Omega-Force aren't being difficult about ports.
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    Guynamednelson
    There'd still be people begging for SMTV to finally reveal something else.
    If hot weather doesn't kill the Coronavirus, pools and amusement parks may not get to open this summer and FP6 will be the only good thing about summer 2020 and if that gets delayed, this will be the worst summer ever.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    The Mega Man fan game community is looking strong, so their projects should possibly be done by the end of the year, at least (except for Mega Man X Corrupted, I'm convinced that's their Duke Nukem Forever at this point).
    Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus and the Mother series wouldn't be where they are today if not for Smash Bros..
    Did people really think FF7 was coming to the Wii U when Cloud joined Smash 4? No other PS1 games were put on the console and FF7 is an old game. Cloud was actually meant to be an ad for FF7 Remake. Sakurai chose Cloud because he wanted to promote it.
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    ZephyrZ
    ZephyrZ
    How did Sakurai benefit from promoting Cloud?

    I think he just picked Cloud because he thought he'd be a cool and popular character.
    Inkling Man
    Inkling Man
    Sakurai has no problem promoting a game on another company's console. Remember in the Banjo direct when he encouraged us to play Banjo-Kazooie on XBOX?
    ZephyrZ
    ZephyrZ
    ^He did, but it'd be a stretch to say that he added Banjo just to promote a two decade old game.

    I think we have a tendency to overthink what makes a character "worthy" to be in Smash when Sakurai is just trying to make a fun game.
    Let's be real, the ARMS character joining is Spring Man. Nintendo just wasn't ready to show his reveal trailer because the coronavirus slowed down his development time.
    Michael the Spikester
    Michael the Spikester
    If it is Spring Man. They should then have Springtron take his place as an assist.

    Something kinda tells me too he'll come with Ribbon Girl as an echo. The fact both his and her screens were shown being the biggest in the Direct makes me feel that tbh.
    What if we find all bats and keep them in cages to help make sure a pandemic never happens again?
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    MajoraMoon
    MajoraMoon
    So we keep the bats in cages, the basketballs in baskets, the footballs in...feet maybe, and the boxing gloves in boxes. Got it
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    Simpler solution: don't have a "random animal that has no business being eaten by anyone" market ever again.
    I'm very glad Nintendo still cares about ARMS even though it didn't become Splatoon's level of popular and successful.
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    Deleted member
    You're right! Even if Nintendo are about three years too late with the timing of it, it'll be interesting to see a representative from a franchise when they're not even the main character. It kind of emphasizes how we all play different characters in different kinds of games, so somebody unexpected coming out of left field (rather than someone you'd expect), kinda reflects the nature of a game like that. Y'know?

    I'm probably not the right guy to analyze this, but I think by the time the fighter's put in the game, I won't be so unsure about them. (Y'know, given they still could've just put an ARMS fighter in at launch. Right now it's like putting Shovel Knight as an Assist Trophy, but then making Plague Knight a playable character. It's just not the most logical kind of representation, but I'm sure you'll reply with a counterpoint.)
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