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    Do you think there's something I'm missing, when it comes to Up-B? I'm not landing it anywhere as much as I should. And if it's really a Frame 6 move, it should be no short from broken. I don't seem to be landing it, whether it's because they're barely outside of my range (because **** shield pushback) or because it just doesn't come out when it needs to.
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    StoicPhantom
    That really depends on what you're doing. Properly spacing sword characters and fast characters with good aerials, are not punishable with Up-B. Some moves simply have too little endlag and some characters simply have way too good DI. Chrom's dash attack is punishable, but his aerials are not as far as I can tell. FW has a large hitbox, but that seems to be more to the sides, so it is not as easy to punish aerials. I tend to watch for improper spacing that puts them into my shield and that is where I get most of my Up-B punishes. Also if you hit them with it when they are in the air, it will pop them at a weird angle, so be ready to adjust the second hit. Try to parry the attacks that do a lot of shield stun instead.

    If you are talking about using it in other ways not OoS, then it is still relegated to a read based move. I meant to try practicing it out of a run, but got sidetracked.

    Overall it is a pretty situational move, despite the good frame data, which is kind of Zelda on the whole sometimes.
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    Played a Lucina online yesterday. It was getting annoying how overconfident this guy was behind his wall of hitboxes, and it's not like I couldn't punish them...he attacked so much, I could just Up-B and he'd take it. A lot of my kills just came because the guy kept rolling backwards and Up-B'd into them (yeah I sometimes do that because **** it).
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    StoicPhantom
    Lag yo. That move is way too fast for my mediocre Parry skills. I've been thinking about just sitting down and attempting to learn how to parry every relevant move in the game. I can handle swords and slow aerials and moves, like Ganon's, but quick ones still elude me.
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    Deleted member 189823
    fun fact I have an easier time parrying fast moves
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    Deleted member 189823
    On less half serious, I find just waiting at the ledge a bit longer has done wonders for my ledge getup game. I used to always get punished for either neutral or jump, now I kind of just use every option and go from there. Sometimes I just suicidal jump into a guy spaced for an F-Smash and FF N-Air it.
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    Not getting killed by B-Air, Dash Attack and avoiding N-Air = Wario MU done
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    Deleted member 189823
    also U-Tilt but a person with half a brain will realise they don't string after like 2 consecutives and can probably airdodge out of them so **** it
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    StoicPhantom
    Pretty much. I didn't realize he was supposed to be so good at first, until everyone was saying so, and I think that was because Zelda's disjoints shut him down pretty hard.
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    One thing I have with Phantom, is that I don't feel it adds to much I already do in neutral. I have trouble approaching, and it's very rare that I'd be the one forcing an approach. With that said, I sometimes feel I give off the impression my Zelda is kind of bareboned without any use of projectiles. In spite of that, I fairly well without these.
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    StoicPhantom
    I can see that, given what I've seen of your videos. Try experimenting with them as edgeguarding tools.
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    I'm barebone? ),:
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    StoicPhantom
    Lol no, I meant I can see Phantom not being particularly useful. I guess I didn't quite give the proper context lulz.
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    Comp video coming up.
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    Did you see it.
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    StoicPhantom
    Yeah, I just hadn't gotten around to commenting on it, yet. Pretty great video and definitely better made than mine. Definitely the best I've seen so far.
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    I can't beat 'dem Phantom setups man.

    I got none.
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    I'm back in Argentina, now. Couldn't make the last weekly, and I was kind of upset about it. It really sucks you need a car for everything, in the U.S (Florida, at least?). Regardless, I'm not here to bash about other people's countries. Only thing I can do, is move on forward. Better planning, next time.

    welp, guess I'll dedicate myself as a fraud Zelda main with Youtube videos. :D
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    StoicPhantom
    That's pretty much how it is all across the U.S. We are a big country and have this weird mentality where we want first world infrastructure, but don't want to pay for it lol. So a lot of public transportation and infrastructure, has been overlooked and neglected.
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    U-air is probably my new favoutite move.
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    StoicPhantom
    Yeah, I remember I used to think she had poor anti-air, but boy was I wrong.
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    Talking about anti airs, just U-Tilt. Haven't been U-airimg nearly enough. Starting to get a better hang off juggling when you really bug people coming off platforms with stuff like N-air. Inkling is becoming more doable .
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    StoicPhantom
    Yeah, that's been my experience in the Inkling MU, is to juggle and Nair quite often. I actually think Up-Tilt is a very oppressive move, when done right and I can make even the fast characters sweat pretty hard.
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    So apparently wireless controllers are going extinct here in Florida. Since they lock up the consoles as a safety measure, it's pretty much limited to GC controllers and Switch Pro (forgot the requirement if wire or not). I had to adjust before the tournament, but gladly I did it pretty naturally (as opposed to my first 2-3 days). Not sure what I'll end up sticking with, but it's a heads up.
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    StoicPhantom
    Welp, RIP. Don't you have to plug the Switch Pro in the console, though? Do they already have some connected? If not then I would think you would be allowed to plug in an adapter. That definitely sucks for us players, that aren't with the GC controller meme.
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    Got into Elite, today. Played that **** for hours... it was fun. I even played against this Zzs guy, a Wario main that has a noticeable Youtube channel.

    My hands hurt, and I have my first weekly here to tomorrow. I might take my Switch for a free entry...
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    StoicPhantom
    Yeah, Elite can be pretty good. I kind of waffle in and out of it, due to all the sword and speedy characters in it. I do well, then something jank happens and my opponent barely pulls out a win. I take a much greater GSP loss, than I do a gain, so it can be a little tedious making my way back to Elite.
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    Is there something that tells you whether youre in youre out? I think theres a point where youd get too caught up in the scoring, that you dont necessarily play better trying to keep it. Playing not to lose is not the same as playing to win.
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    StoicPhantom
    It will say Elite or solo depending on which one you are in. There is a specific number that keeps increasing, that determines Elite status. I'm not too worried about my status, just I'm a little too good for anything under and it sometimes feels like I am picking on those not as good. I have to go on a pretty big win streak in order to make any real progress and a loss can be anywhere from 50-100,000 GSP. As such, it can be rather tedious making my way back in.
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    Damn.
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    It's a little hard to avoid getting hit by Inkling, not gonna lie. Their aerials hit at very weird angles, and it takes a decent amount of timing to catch either their grounded approaches or their aerials. I'll definitely work on getting hit less.
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    StoicPhantom
    Inkling is a problem for everyone in general, I think. On paper, its lacking aerial mobility and range, should be enough to exploit, but in practice, as you said, weird angles make it difficult to actually catch them. I guess this why practical experience is necessary and why fighting games still need tweaks and balance patches, even with good and careful design.
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    Apparently some people I play against legitimately think Zelda's LK hitbox has been buffed, because "it didn't land that often". I just think this is their first time playing a half-decent Zelda that does stuff like Kick OoS and other nonsense.

    And not to flatter myself, either...
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    StoicPhantom
    I forgot to mention that you did a Up-B punish on a dash IIRC. I do that too. I wonder if it's because the opponent isn't expecting it or dash has little more lag than it looks?
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    Not only did I not realise, but it must've been on accident, if I did. If it's Dash Attack and Roller, then it makes more sense.
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    StoicPhantom
    I may be confused and misremembering, but I thought I made a mental note to mention it, when I saw it. I do that way too frequently, so I got to wondering if there is something to it. It's a read on a dash dance, done just before they dash back or forward, but I feel like that should be safe enough for people to defend against it. Maybe I'm underestimating FW's and Ultimate's speed.
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    Did you see it.
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    I actually wanted to save the matches against the guy that happens to be the best, over here. He didn't like it, and gets offended by it...sad, because it was some of my best plays, by far. He did "allow" me to save one, but I wasn't very content with it.
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    StoicPhantom
    Ugh, what a jerk. I was actually hoping you were going to post those, so I could see how you fared against Sheik and the supposedly best player there. He clearly has ego issues, it seems.
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    Deleted member 189823
    I got a couple cool shots of stuff like Parry >Stagespike D-air > Kick. I also remembered what you said (and only time I did this), D-air > Jump Up-B.
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    Something I realise, is that if you have a group of friends and/or training partners, it's far more optimal to have at least one console per three people. With my usual group, I realise constantly rotating Bo3s with 4 people and 1 console kind of held me back. If you get your ass kicked, you have to suck it up and wait an extra 15-20 minutes just to get another shot at it.

    I think I learned this the other day, where we had 3 console for 6 people. I could play 6-7 hours straight, got used to Joycons and got decently better.
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    StoicPhantom
    Yeah, that sounds a bit inefficient to have only one console for that many people. I only have one friend that plays Smash currently and I rarely see him now, due to him being busy, so I don't have to worry about that lol.
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    No more waifu factor.
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    Deleted member 189823
    People ask why I main Zelda, and I have no smart answer.
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    StoicPhantom
    She's cute, and nobody uses her or knows how to fight her, maybe? This might be the most difficult thing I've had to answer, so far. You just do, I guess. This subject requires more thought, me thinks.
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    Deleted member 189823
    I don't like having to depend on my opponent being bad and/or not knowing. :D
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