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Eh... I don't think Falco's close-range game isn't good. Jab's recovery, rapid jab being worse despite the stutter in Brawl, dash attack being slow despite Fox's speed, and standing grab being one of the slowest melee grab hurts as he can't just shield grab as easily as 7-below grabbers. Jab's speed isn't much when it doesn't work well like pre-patch Samus's.

Ftilt too, but I really think poke kicks like that should have high base instead of high to average growth... The point is to push someone back with those moves and not actually kill with them. If that were the case, Capt., Mario, Falco, Luigi, Samus, and ZSS would have even better pokes. Fox works the regular frame data format because his Ftilt has insane recovery compared to others. Oh no... I'm ranting again...

Haha, I don't mind! I'll read it =P. I understand what you mean, I just love his CQC so much.

I just like the high knockback and damage Falco can do while still being able to combo through DI in Melee and Smash 4. Wolf's because of his brutal and savage fighting style... Unfortunately I don't own Melee, Falco sucks in Smash 4, and Wolf's not coming back... Please, pull a HW: Legends with a NX Smash 4 re-release.

Heh, you're an onee-sama now.

Q. You play Street Fighter V, right? How is it? Thinking about picking it up some day.

I want to play SFV but I lack the means and money is tight. I plan on it too.

Same deal with me too. From the looks of it, SFV looks fine - art style and gameplay. I was going to ask warionumbah2 about that too. Berzie likes the game and I think Locuan too... Incidentally, I think both play Karin... OO-HOHOHOHOHO!

Problem with SF is that I didn't grow up with it and SFIV's art style really put me off, so I never had that character like how Falco, Fox, and Link were to me when I was younger. Liked C. Viper when I played her in UMvC3, but she's not in SFV (yet). Nash's interest stems from Falco and somehow ended up liking Juri. Laura's the only character who I feel I genuinely like.

Posting in the CCI thread I see... I thought you left that place?

They triggered me and dragged me back in. I think I'm quitting again though.

"Do not let the behaviors of others destroy your inner peace."

One thing that I've been seeing recently that irks me is people saying Falco has theory. O don't know where they pulled that from. Falco's "theory" is based on fundamental play which all characters have, so technically, he doesn't have theory.

Other characters at least have counter-picking as a niche like Doc, being special snowflakes like Peach and Ryu, or exploit MU inexperience like Triple D and Zelda, but Falco really has absolutely nothing. You only lose against Falco if you're bad at the game and you only win with him if your opponent is bad at the game.

Last line I don't agree with. You can win by outplaying, that doesn't make your opponent bad.

Replace Falco with Puff tho....nah, not even there.

I just like being negative with Falco.

Also, I heard Russia banned Bayonetta? Y'know, I wonder how Platinum Games is taking this. I mean, it's their character who is being hated to such a degree... Then again, I wonder how any company would feel since Nintendo probably wasn't happy with people hating Diddy, Luigi, etc.

Heh... recovery. Just read what you said about Cloud's LB Cross Slash. It's got 21 recovery which is 2 over Ganondorf's Up Smash. Difference? Cloud's is 11 frames faster, is a 5-hit move, does 2% more total, and is invincible on startup.

It is incredibly annoying to read people totally misunderstanding your character. I should quit this game, the community is incredibly oblivious to things and seem to just want to remove the reward aspect of the game entirely.

This is what you get for playing a viable character eh? Fantastic. I need to get SFV.

There's a reason why I made the recovery and throw spreadsheets, but everyone's all about that FAF... What's FAF when a move has 21 startup? Can't really compare, but recovery? Fast move with low recovery vs. slow move with low recovery. That's comparable.

Will you play SFV too please? This community makes me want to quit more than ever sometimes and I could use carryovers that I don't already know play SFV already.

I've only a laptop that's not good with modern games.

Parts of the Smash community for whatever reason ignores basic fighting game concepts. I despise FAF since it doesn't really explain much compared to recovery. I hate it when people ask for blatantly OP stuff to return to characters like Falco. There's a reason why they were removed and nobody seems to get it.

At the same time, I don't like the approach the devs gut characters between games. Patches show a better side, but game to game? Falco and Marth look pitiful between games that it's disgusting from a game design standpoint. Fun fact: Falco's Brawl Fair is Melee Fair made worse vs. Fox's Brawl Fair is Melee Fair improved. Wonderful game design.