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I'm looking for characters who counter all three of Mario, Luigi, and Ness. What do you think

Hmm, the characters that counter Ness include Sonic, Sheik, Rosalina and possibly Megaman. Sheik is the obvious one, but would any of the others help?

Sonic? I think Sonic mains believe that Ness is one of their hardest matchups, if I'm not mistaken

Gee wiz!

It's true that Ness mains are slowly thinking the Sonic MU isn't as bad as it first seemed (we used to think Sonic was our only real -2) and some lean so far as even but we still generally consider him a disadvantage, at least at this point. That's really interesting though, we'll have to ask the Sonic mains to discuss it with us. :3

How does Rosaluma do against Mario and Luigi? :o

A, I just had a thought - Earthbound360 / Mik! (he went against Boss' Luigi at the latest Xanadu, he's a brilliant Ness main) has a bit to say about this MU and frequents the boards, I'd def recommend asking him about it, but I can tell you what I know if you like.

Sonic shreds any semblace of our zoning game to bits and a Sonic atmid-range is so, so uncomfortable for us because he can force a reaction from us and kinda straight up punish it, or else he's just too fast to react to. Nair does beat spin dash though, and once we're in we do close range footsies better than Sonic (and punish him harder) but generally neutral is a pain.

Offstage we can both be abused, spring is apparently really good against us (especially for cutting PKT2 distance in half, but I haven't had this happen to me so I could be mis-remembering why spring is a big deal here) and we can yoyo and cover Sonic's recovery decently.

Sonic can juggle us, but his aerial kill options are so predictable, tbh whenever I see a Sonic jump to try and kill us from a juggle I feel like I'm going to get back to the stage.

Our kill options are obviously more consistent (as they are against like everybody) and Sonic probably won't be killing us too early so yay rage?

In the end though it's meant to be a struggle, but I've heard high level Ness mains say they don't mind the MU. That's everything I can think of off the top of my head. ^_^

If you ask me, I think Fox is a harder matchup than Sonic for Ness. Larry seems to think that the MU is 60:40 in Fox's favor just because of how fast Fox is (and having a better neutral game).

Rosalina beats Luigi and Mario probably, I just really hate playing campy characters, so I was looking for an alternative haha :3

Thanks for all the wonderful info too, you are the man.

Fox eh? That's very interesting, A fellow called Yoshi8984 plays this MU all the time, says it's his favourite MU and that Ness wins the MU (slightly). Pazx (an aussie Ness/Diddy main) said something similar after his last tournament, but I'd like to hear what our top players think of it. :D

And no worries at all, glad I could help!

Luco I have a tip for you. As Ness, learn the optimal timing of airdodge -> falling up-air. It's a really good option. Shaky was using it at CEO.

Yeah we were discussing it on our FB chat just yesterday and Mik! mentioned he always does AD Uair instead of Nair, and I mentioned I should start doing it as well. :D