SolidSense
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  • do you have any books for improving at rhetoric?
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Somehow I never saw this comment, I'm sorry.

    I've never actually read a book about rhetoric. What do you need it for?
    It's nice to see you're still around making good posts. I will be too until CCI gets too memey, but I think with the more concentrated pool of users on the site since the general widespread usage of Discord and Twitter, I think we actually have a condensed base of good conversations....for now.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Also funnily enough Cloud is my choice for best character in the game right now.
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    I'm digging him a lot. Currently playing a whole slatter of chars and enjoying how many of them click and feel competent. Falco/Cloud/Mario/Roy/Doc/Spacies in general, just tinkering around. But mostly Falco and Cloud right now.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    He doesn't feel as degenerate as he was in smash 4, and he received lots of nerfs, but still gets my vote for best. He can play a safe swordsman spacing game better than any of the other swordsman characters right now because his aerials are so hard to whiff punish, and that's huge in this game. up-tilt is a monstrous move that covers CQC so well, something he had trouble doing before. Bad recovery in this game doesn't matter as much as it did in smash 4.
    how've u been?
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Forgot to reply to this, it seems. I've been well, how are you?
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    Cool. Finished my first year at NYU. College’s been crazy, Tristate’s been crazy.
    I know we had more debates than discussions, but your contributions have always been more than... Solid.

    God, I'm sorry.

    Take care. See you for Smash 4 Deluxe Edition in about 6 months.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    it's been fun, debating is fun. The time is almost upon us!
    I'll miss you around here.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    that's cool! I haven't been playing or watching this game at all. And yeah, I tried to read the thread. It's terrible. I miss the days of Shaya glory, with Thinkaman occasionally pulling some stunt or Zelder coming in with a fresh one-liner. It's just so boring now.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    I still cannot believe you're 16.
    TDK
    TDK
    It feels like the thread's become more of a place to prove why you're right as opposed to actual discussion. It doesn't feel like any real knowledge is actually being spread there anymore, but that might be just me. Hopefully it gets better in smash switch?

    What's so unbelievable about me being 16? I get called an old soul a lot.
    I asked the tier thread some time ago about what Pika does to ZSS to make the MU in his favor, but I never got an straight answer. Then watching Esam vs Nairo at Genesis kinda validated my thoughts on the MU being a tedium than a disadvantage due to ZSS bluntly out-rewarding him. Since you used to be a Pika main, I was wondering what your thoughts on the MU are.
    KakuCP9
    KakuCP9
    Hm. Fair point. Since ZSS can't bully Pika from the air and most her ground buttons are grab/dash grab punishable on block, it can make the MU super annoying. I guess main thing that I wonder about Pika is what is his win condition. Uthrow- thunder is a thing, but the range is razor thin. Fair shenanigans are also alright, but I'm still not sure the extent of the reward.
    KakuCP9
    KakuCP9
    Are there any other setups he has or is he like Mario and just fishes for stuff ?(but with better edgeguarding)
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    f-smash is very safe like Mario's up-smash, or jab lock into up-smash, or yeah, edgeguarding
    I feel like posting in that particular thread was a mistake, but I guess we'll have to ride it out now. OP probably had good intentions, but It'll very easily become a salt mine.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    I think i have problems navigating his tether range while still powershielding the bombs. WiFi probably wouldn't be good practice for that since powershielding is harder. But I'd be down to play sometime, sure.
    TDK
    TDK
    At least from my experience, the best way to deal with those two is to stay in the air and on platforms. He can't grab you unless he's jumping towards you, which is fairly reactable because of the F7 jumpsquat. Then you just have to worry about the projectiles, but without the grab in the way it's easy enough to PS them.
    TDK
    TDK
    I think. This has happened to me several times so I'm not sure if its' a me problem or a Link thing , but I hope this helps.
    I'm curious; would you want a Bayonetta ban? You seem to hate the character, so I thought I'd ask.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Not that you were coming to me for that, but just saying.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Bah, I can never resist posting here when I think of something
    TDK
    TDK
    I know the feeling, just somewhere else. I always love seeing your posts, though. Excellently thought-out and well worded.
    Do I sound that defensive when I talk about Link?
    TDK
    TDK
    Yeah, I never want to talk about Marth vs Lucina again, and I'm glad we've been off of it for some time now.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Don't tempt me... that's one of my favorite topics! But seriously, I don't know what it is about Fire Emblem that makes people go so crazy.
    TDK
    TDK
    I actually adore the franchise myself, it's an amazing series, but good god is it tedious to discuss in the CCI.

    Except for Robin, we haven't ruined Robin yet.
    Just curious, how do you feel about pikachu after this "RAR Thunder kill confirm" stuff

    Is his advantage state still mediocre?
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    He just can't keep a juggle going consistently past low percents, and RAR thunder is really hard and also doesn't kill nearly as early as Pikachu needs from a kill confirm, esp given his poor grab range. So yes, still pretty mediocre.
    You've finally joined the dark side, I see.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    I think I just use every character at this point, but sure, I currently think Bayonetta is the best character in the game.
    Since they're prolly not changing Cloud next patch, I've been labbing and got some neat stuff. D-Throw with your back to the ledge when the opponent is at low % is super free, such a good mixup if this ever happens. They have to DJ or risk recovering low after an airdodge, but CS will catch a jump.
    You just got DUNKED ON
    Kofu
    Kofu
    Oh right, people don't just play this game by throwing out attacks :c

    I figure they're also an issue for stopping Quick Attack but again, you throw that out wisely I assume.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Quick Attack in neutral is pretty garbage, 17 frames of startup means it's reactable by almost any metric. You just have to not commit to anything to punish it on reaction at any time with almost any kind of hitbox.
    Kofu
    Kofu
    Have you seen the ending of an old Brawl match between Anther and Boss? Anther's trying to Quick Attack to the ledge but Boss misfires and hits Pikachu clearly before the animation caught up. It's pretty funny.
    Oh geez man, I wonder who pranked you? :^)
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    What is this pranked thing?
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    a premium user gets to change the color of a non-premium user and gives them the label of "Pranked!"

    I wonder what premium user gave it to you tho :^)
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    hm I have no idea
    I think you'll like the Mewtwo Boards a lot. We have a lot of "laboholics" here.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    lol, yeah, character boards tend to be swarming with people who don't take the game seriously as a tournament sport. They love and lab their characters, but you have to sort through a lot of junk to get to quality posts
    Y2Kay
    Y2Kay
    that's true. The Mewtwo Boards are one of the best at staying on track and progressing the character's meta. Sonicninja115 and Metalex specifically are great labbers.
    Kofu
    Kofu
    I mean, I learned some stuff from the Brawl Ganon/Bowser boards back in the day and you can learn some obscure but helpful junk sometimes.

    I find actually playing as or against the character more helpful than reading about them.
    Yes, you're officially one of us!
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    I've been saying that Mewtwo is top 15 for months (before the latest round of buffs), but Abadango's performance vs. Sonic and Mario showed me that Mewtwo has what it takes to beat characters who are always in his face.
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    Hell, Gheb was right today when he said the MU v.s. Fox was manageable when Aba went against VoiD's Fox. I'm so happy right now.

    I also believe he's top 15. He could even be more than that as we see his meta grow.
    Never thought I'd say this but as good as Cloud is and was at Pound, god damn did Mario look like a million bucks. Refreshing to see a placement worthy of the Plumbing Master.
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    I think if we talk risk vs. reward DK wins there too. He kills Mario incredibly early and has decent survivability. I know it's super theory but a lot of the best Marios agree DK is a ******* for him lol.
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    regardless Mario remains a solid choice vs. the whole roster and fills his intended niche of being able to fight anything and represent the skill of the player in question....I think.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Might be that DK wins, if he does it's probably another -0.5 though, not like the Bayo matchup.

    Matchups also swing at the drop of a hat. It only takes one single mixup discovery to change an MU from -1 to +1. For instance, Fox's 2-frame of Rosa pretty much took that MU from -2 to -1 or possibly even according to Rosas.
    Just wanted to say I really like reading your posts around Competetive Discussion. They're really insightful and well-said, keep it up!
    Any chance you'd be up for some online sparring in the future?
    Kofu
    Kofu
    Just so you know, I'm free basically every afternoon/evening this week. Just let me know when works best for you and I'll probably be good to play.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Hey I'm actually taking a little break from the forums/smash, but on Friday I should be good to play if you're down
    Kofu
    Kofu
    Definitely. I'll PM you to work out details.
    I agree with everything you posted about Cloud except for the whole "Without Limit he's entirely mediocre" bit.

    I'd say above average without it and of course a tier above top tier with it. Also LB Climhazzard is underrated as a kill option though Komorikiri is putting it to work <3
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    Again I'm not denying that but if you wanted an example of that I find Lucario to be much more demonstrative of this theory tbqh.

    I don't disagree Limit Cloud is bonkers and that everyone should not waste Cross Slash or whatnot but Limit camping is also pretty ez so I guess that contributes to why I don't mind.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Cloud's a better Lucario more or less
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    Limit's sort of like a greatest hits between Waft and Aura yeah.
    So just curious. Do you feel Corrin's ground mobility nerfs will affect them in the long run?
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Ground mobility doesn't matter on a design like Corrin's
    LordShade67
    LordShade67
    ....Oh. Right. Large hitboxes to command space.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Yeah, and she has a good dash to shield!
    You can hold the title of prophet but you were still wrong about Cloud in the end.

    loloololololol LIMIT SIDE B
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    The only reason I don't want more patches btw is not for balance or whatnot but because if they keep changing **** I lose interest. There's a reason I don't play anime fighters, they have like 500 revisions and it's annoying to have to re-learn **** on even a yearly basis when I want my competitive game to be consistent, if you feel me.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    he definitely feels really rewarding to play
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    But yes, I'd like them to stop shaking up the metagame at this point. I'm quite satisfied with this patch and I'd rather not end up being dissatisfied at another. While I think Sheik had to go down for a reason, she feels incredibly unrewarding and crap to play as which worries me insofar as how they're gonna handle anything else =/
    People telling you to learn more about Pikachu is hilarious.

    Honestly Pikachu's problems sound similar to Game & Watch's even though their capabilities are quite different.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    I think his neutral is good. One of the best dash to shields in the game, great jab and dash attack, generous disjoints, nice crouch (lol). Overall pretty good mobility. shrug. I don't main the character, so can't say for sure.
    Kofu
    Kofu
    Neutral's probably the one state I have the hardest time getting a read on, but looking at it form the viewpoint of "not in advantage/disadvantage" yeah, it's pretty decent. The hardest part is actually engaging the opponent when they're being patient.
    Kofu
    Kofu
    His approach is bad, I guess is what I should say. His tomohawk is good (low jump height, good initial dash/dash attack, good grab) but getting in can be a challenge. He can also get comboed somewhat hard by characters with strong pressure (Sheik)
    yo. what's up? been balancing smashboards and college. a lot easier than i thought but it's probably gonna get harder later on. haha

    also, i finally switched
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Cloud and looking for a secondary.
    Berserker.
    Berserker.
    pika, meta knight, rosalina and fox not appealing to you that much anymore?
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Pikachu can't kill and is really bad/mediocre, imo.

    Rosalina is great, Fox is good. But don't cover Cloud too well I think.

    Down to MK or Diddy, I went with Diddy.
    Good to have you back.
    Kofu
    Kofu
    It's always quality over quantity with you which I like. I'm taking a short break from the game myself unless anyone wants to play because I feel like my gameplay is getting stagnant. I went to a weekly last week though, that was fun.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Breaks can help a lot.

    I try to post only when I have something useful to say.
    Kofu
    Kofu
    I say I'm going to take a break then I go and play 50 matches on FG. Terrible. Hoping Twilight Princess HD and Pokémon Blue will keep me busy though.

    I'll usually only post if it's a character I play or if there's something that hasn't been mentioned yet.
    GGs, dude. Why'd you kill yourself and leave every time we met on FG though?
    Vermanubis
    Vermanubis
    Ah, that's right! You're in Washington. I might be coming up to Seattle in the not-too-distant future for a tourney.

    And I appreciate it, man.

    As for QAC, I heard about some shenanigans on omega Umbra Clock Tower. They useful at all?
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Not familiar with them, really.

    The problem with QA is that, just like you, many people have realized that just throwing out a large hitbox at a time when I'm likely to QA will likely work in hitting me, and even if it works 1/4 times, that 1/4 times, Pika is dead.

    He probably still beats Ganon, though. But you outplayed me today =p
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    Damnit, Ganon buffs! =P Kidding
    Raichu should have been a semi clone of Pikachu
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    He should have just been a full character! Interesting tail mechanics combined with electric attacks would have been cool. Too bad they would have made him slower than Pikachu...
    Antonykun
    Antonykun
    Ironically, in the games light ball pikachu is a slower but stronger raichu
    FYI, ESAM just beat Ally 3-2 in WF of a local prior to Big House (Pika vs. Mario).

    This and the Luigi nerfs forecast a bright future for the yellow rat, methinks. I think there's hope in both MUs.
    Djent
    Djent
    I'm just getting started, so I will be on the grind for some time.
    SolidSense
    SolidSense
    That's cool! Good luck
    Djent
    Djent
    Thanks! Does that character icon mean you're back with Pikachu? Admit it, you can't give him up...
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