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  • Legitimate question here.

    I know Nintendo issuing take downs to fan-games that try to make money off of their IP's is a source of controversy even though said controversy is dumb. But when we stop to think about it, when's the last time they've issued a take down for one?

    Maybe I just haven't heard of the more recent stories involving that, but it feels like it's been a while since they've touched one.
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    psb123
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    Dude. It's common sense. You yourself said "of course smart people are going to turn turn to a better service if the one costs money isn't worth that money". A fan game given out for free that could give people reason not to buy the official product is a potential hindrance to the company.

    It's not a matter of sources it's a matter of you just aren't realizing that.
    DrCoeloCephalo
    DrCoeloCephalo
    And the multibillion dollar company can afford it and considering the common sense of looking at the easily observable and realizable fact that the Mario 3D All Stars and Mario 64 fangames prove my point exactly shows that.

    Anyone can say they're a game dev online without any proof or credentials too thanks to how dishonest the online world can be but if you'd rather listen to someone that could easily be spouting hot air with no proof then that's your problem.
    psb123
    psb123
    Let's say a company that runs a Grocery Store makes a lot of money. Does that mean they'll let a few people steal from their stores because "they can afford it"? No, it doesn't. Same thing here.

    And before you argue that it's "not theft" the point is that it can still be harmful to sales. You saying Nintendo can afford it means you admit to that. Just because you think they should doesn't mean they will and it's perfectly reasonable for a company to not want use of their IP's that they didn't grant permission to be used for to affect their profits.

    Calling Nintendo greedy and claiming they don't care about the dedication and love fangame makers put into what they do and saying that they abuse their ownership of their IPs over this puts you and anyone else who does that in the wrong. That's why this controversy is stupid.
    Let it be known that the argument of "An Assist Trophy would look too weird and/or confusing next to a playable version of the character" no longer works.

    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    I still think they simply won't upgrade any out of habit. No particular reason, it's what happened last time.

    But I expect for no one to listen to me until December 2021, so feel free to ignore me, I guess.
    psb123
    psb123
    KirbyWorshipper2465 KirbyWorshipper2465 late response is late Honestly, I agree with you. Things like the picture above certainly prove that it's possible, but I don't think they'll do it either.
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    KirbyWorshipper2465
    Not to mention that while they did show that reprogramming every stage to accommodate something is possible, Steve came with some severe glitches as a result of doing so, so it'd be simpler to just save 'em for next time anyways.
    You know, Steve's reveal for Ultimate kind of threw me for a loop.

    Before he was confirmed, I was super confident that we would see Rex, a Gen 8 Pokemon, and a BOTW Era Zelda character.

    All 3 are still possible, and I'm still quite confident in Rex. But after Steve's reveal, I've begun realizing that there are more options that I didn't really given enough credit to.

    I'm not really sure if it was because Steve was revealed or if it was just a timing coincidence, but now, including those 3, I've thought of 13 characters that I think are worth keeping an eye on.

    And we've only got 4 challenger packs left. Man, this is going to be a wild ride.
    So apparently there are still people out there who believe that Smash Ultimate DLC will continue after Fighter Pass 2 despite Sakurai and team saying Fighter Pass 2 is the end.

    I know sometimes statements from developers end up being a ruse or they just decide to backtrack on some statements, but I don't buy it for this one.

    They said Fighter Pass 2 is the last of Ultimate's DLC, and I'm pretty darn sure it will be just that.
    JDCabrera
    JDCabrera
    Yeah, I'm expecting Fighter Pass 2 to be the last batch of DLC.

    What happens if I'm wrong? Nothing bad or even anything I care about.
    Perkilator
    Perkilator
    At the very least, if they decided to make a Definitive Edition, I could see them adding 4 more characters.
    Janx_uwu
    Janx_uwu
    I think it would be a little messed up to tell Smash fans “hey! If you want these characters you have to spend another 60 bucks!” So unless you can add those Definitive Edition characters to your existing copy through dlc I definitely wouldn’t want that.
    You know, lately I've been realizing that a lot of the "doom and gloom" complaints from the Wii U era really shouldn't have been taken as seriously as they were.

    People wanted a system that could keep up with the PS4 and Xbox One in terms of multi-platform games, a system that had a wide library of great games, and a system that would be successful for Nintendo.

    The Switch gave us all of that. Yet a lot of those same people still claim Nintendo is terrible. Dropping overblown fits of rage with claims like "Nintendo is even greedier than EA" or "I want to be done with Nintendo because of their business practices."

    A lot of the time said business practices aren't even bad. Joy-Con drift aside (which even that is on it's way to being done) most of the complaints people leave are either them whining about not getting what they wanted or are just straight up false.

    An example of the whining part is the take downs issued to fan-games. With only one real exception, Nintendo only ever goes after the ones that try to make money off of their IP's. And yes, donations for the project count as that (And honest question, when was the last time Nintendo issued a take down for one anyway?). They're not even the only company that does this. IP protection is important. Sega is the exception. Not the rule. And even they only approve ones that go through their own program.

    As for the part of complaints that just aren't true, an example would be the Nintendo Switch Online. I hear Mario Maker 2 has some problems in that department. And I hear a little bit of that with Splatoon 2 as well, though to be honest I'm not sure I buy it with that one.

    But then you have some people who will judge the entire service on just a couple of examples and even make claims that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has bad online. That just plain and simple ain't true. So many people have had great experiences with that and many other Switch games online. Heck, even Smash Ultimate really isn't bad as long as the players have good internet.

    From a business standpoint, the Wii U was a failure. But Nintendo being doomed because of that if the Switch didn't do well? No.

    There's a difference between Nintendo doing badly and vocal minorities on the internet being unpleasable.
    Shroob
    Shroob
    I think I'll take a page from your book and say:

    "For the sake of clarity, I'm not talking about you when I say that."

    And I'll leave it at that lol
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    Yeah I started to figure that. That's why I deleted the initial comment about it =P
    Janx_uwu
    Janx_uwu
    We should definitely strive to have a balance of praising a company and criticizing it, not just for Nintendo but all corporations. Like, I think 3D-All Stars is worth the price of admission for sheer content. The three games are amazing hallmark titles, big and expansive, and have collectibles upon collectibles upon collectibles. But for effort from Nintendo? $35 at the minimum and that's me being generous. They could have at least gave the menus more personality (maybe something like Sonic Jam where you control Mario to get to different games). Or heck, just add Galaxy 2 in a free update or something. That would make me feel more inclined to purchase it. $60 may be the standard for most games, but that doesn't change the fact that what I'm buying, I can simply play an old 64/GC/Wii and get the exact same experience, so $60 won't get me jumping out of my seat to buy it. Limited digital editions are BS, there's no reason for it other than they want to make more money. There's no other reason they would make it a limited time release-especially when you consider that Mario Bros 35 is getting taken down in March and that actually makes sense, due to servers and whatnot. Nintendo will never run out of digital copies of something and 3D-All Stars has no online functionality. It's an anti-consumer practice no matter what way you slice it. I won't support that, so unless they remove the expiration date, I'll revisit those games on their original hardware. I know it's something that won't affect Nintendo at all, but I choose not to give money to them for this, especially $60 of money that I could save for something much more worth it, like a few Megaman Legacy Collections, which are always available, have way more features, and are priced way less, and include way more games across multiple collections. Like you said, 3D All-Stars is not evil, but it sure is scummy in parts.
    Smash online, ugh. Granted, Ultimate is a great game and one that I love. But for the longest time they seemed not to care about our complaints during the pandemic. I definitely appreciate the small steps they've taken so far to show us they do care, but I hope it doesn't stop there. And yes, online currently is bad. Most people play solely on Elite Smash, so even if they have a good connection it's highly likely their opponent doesn't. Arenas and things like SmashLadder and Discord help a lot but are a band-aid on a bullet hole. Fans shouldn't have to go out of their way to make an awful online service slightly more bearable.
    But on the service as a whole? IMO it's worth it. Dozens of NES and SNES games (with rumors of N64 ones on the horizon) that support online and local multiplayer plus have other benefits, decent online for the most part, free eShop games, exclusive deals, at $20 a year. Smash online is trash, and from what I've seen online Mario Maker isn't too much better. But honestly with all that's included, I think it's a good deal.
    All in all Nintendo is great but not perfect, and I'll keep saying what they do wrong until said wrongs are fixed. I love Nintendo and want to see them improve, which is why I critique them. If no one complained about Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash because they were too defensive of Nintendo, we would have never gotten Aces, which-regardless of your opinion on it-is worth way more than Ultra Smash will ever be.
    So apparently there's supposed to be a new spirit event this week. So I hear anyway. Is it actually true?
    I'm not 100% sure they'd do this, but if Crash is on Fighter Pass 2, maybe his alts will all be costumes from Crash 4?
    I don’t know why this didn’t immediately click with me, but Steve is our first playable Indie Character.

    So that gets that frontier in on the action. Not that representation is all that important anyway but let’s play devils advocate for a bit. We have “regular” game characters playable, and we now have an indie game character playable. Only frontier that’s really left is a mobile game character.

    And you know, Dragalia Lost recently had its 2nd anniversary. If there was a time for a Spirit Event based on that game it would have made a lot of sense for it to be around then.

    But there wasn’t one. This is only a theory, but maybe that’s because they’re reserving it for Euden’s DLC board?

    Dragalia Lost is a Nintendo owned property so it’s food for thought.
    I'm not going to lie, sometimes I feel like I (and maybe some other people I guess) place just a tad bit too much stock on how the Hyrule Warriors Games affect a Zelda Characters chances for Smash.

    For example, we were all blown away by Impa's gameplay in Age of Calamity. As amazing a moveset as that would make in Smash, basing the fist Zelda Newcomer since Brawl on a spin-off game? Gotta be honest, part of me feels like that's not as a big a push as some people, myself included, tend to think sometimes.

    It would be absolutely amazing if it did happen but from a likely standpoint? I don't know, it kind of feels like it has some hurdles.

    Mipha, Revali, and Daruk are in a similar boat. Heck, I've been onboard the train of basing parts of their Smash movesets off of species specific abilities used by Ruto, Darunia, and Medli in Hyrule Warriors long before Age of Calamity was ever revealed. But again, I don't know if basing so much of the character off of the Hyrule Warriors games would really fly with the developers.

    Would this be a hindrance to them getting in the game at all? Honestly it might be. Potential for a fun and engaging moveset makes more of an impact for character choices then some in the community might believe. And if basing so much of these characters off of Hyrule Warrios does indeed rub the developers the wrong way? Impa, Mipha, Revali, and Daruk are a lot more limited in abilities outside of Hyrule Warriors. Not saying for sure there isn't enough to work with but if the developers end up feeling that way I couldn't blame them.

    For those of you wondering about Urbosa since I haven't mentioned her yet. There's no playable Gerudo in the original Hyrule Warriors to pull from (and I mean traditional Gerudo. Ganondorf doesn't count.) and she already has the least amount of moveset potential out of the 4 Champions anyway. My favorite Champion, but definitely the one I think is least likely.
    Starters in Pokemon can be either male or female. But I gotta be honest, there are more fully evolved starters that have designs that just scream female than there are designs that just scream male.

    You look at Pokemon like Serperior, Primarina, and Cinderace (maybe Meganium as well) and, as Fawful's Minion once put it, having a Male Gender on one of them just feels like a lie.

    Meanwhile the only Pokemon I can think of that's like that for the Male Gender is Samurott.
    There's been a lot of debate over the years as to which Zelda character would be the next new one in Smash. Mainly because a lot of the obstacles one character had were obstacles that they all had.

    With BOTW2 on the way and Age of Calamity having been announced, I think someone from the BOTW era probably has the best shot at this point.

    But outside of that, I honestly think Impa and Skull Kid have claimed the crown for most likely Zelda newcomer. Mostly because they've been getting a little more attention then a lot of the one offs like Midna and Ghirahim. Both were playable in Hyrule Warriors, both either have become or will become playable in Cadence of Hyrule, Majora's Mask had enough demand for a remake that said remake became real, etc.
    SGoW
    SGoW
    Tingle's more important to the series. Name me one other character in the series who got multiple spin-off games dedicated to them (or a spin-off game dedicated to them in the first place).
    psb123
    psb123
    SGoW SGoW There's more to a character being important to a series than receiving spin-offs. I don't agree that Tingle's the most important.
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    StoicPhantom
    Impa sounds like she'd play too similar to Sheik. I'd go for Skull Kid or one of the Gerudo women.
    So apparently it's been known since about April 30th that the Nintendo direct planned for June has evidently been canceled. Huh, news to me. I wonder what this will mean for the ARMS character.
    Perkilator
    Perkilator
    They'll probably be revealed in a traditional presentation.
    I've never really cared much for Skylanders before. And despite the fact that I like Amiibo the whole "toys to life" requirement makes me think that's not going to change.

    Despite that, I can't deny that some of those Skylanders have some really cool designs and abilities. Especially a lot of those Dragons.
    Mamboo07
    Mamboo07
    Same, Camo is my favourite out of the other dragons. ^-^
    (Shame he wasn't in that Skylanders Academy tv show, would have loved to see him.)
    psb123
    psb123
    Mamboo07 Mamboo07 Speaking of that TV Show, was it any good? The "toys to life" problem wouldn't exist with a tv show so that might be a good way to enjoy the Skylanders Universe.
    Mamboo07
    Mamboo07
    Loved the games long time ago, haven't seen the show yet.
    Bit of a hot take here, but I'm going to drop it anyway. Lyn is one of if not the most overrated Fire Emblem character of all time.

    In terms of Smash? People complain about too many FE characters and too many FE characters that use swords way too much. Yet they opt for Lyn to be playable, sometimes even saying she should replace Corrin (who is more unique than Lyn would be BTW) because "series history". Or more accurately, their own personal preference.

    In terms of Fire Emblem? One of the many terrible arguments the Fire Emblem Elitists use in their pathetic attempts to make it sound like there's nothing good about Awakening and Fates is "too many sexualized waifu's". Which is EXACTLY what Lyn is. Yet she gets a pass because she's from the older games.

    I don't hate Lyn. But I stand by the stance that she is incredibly overrated.
    Perkilator
    Perkilator
    If anything, I think Arvis should’ve come to Ultimate (preferably to replace Chrom, but I don’t make the game) to represent the older games.
    MilkCalf
    MilkCalf
    She's sexualised how exactly? And yeah she would be a little less unique than Corrin, but people think too much about swords. What are sword? Effective melee weapons often for close combat. They don't look the same, they don't all function the same and they aren't all even made for slashing or cutting. So why the hell do we diss them but not literally every character who uses their fists if you can make tens of interesting non-clone fist fighters then you can do the same for swords.
    psb123
    psb123
    MilkCalf MilkCalf I’m quite aware of that fact about Swords. But the people who still complain about them yet hypocritically give Lyn a free pass are part of why she’s overrated.

    As for how she’s sexualised, look at her standard outfit. It’s a shirt with two loincloths that are loose and hardly cover anything down there. And it’s incredibly obvious just from looking at it that the only thing she’d even be wearing to cover the area of her butt and......other part down there is underwear.
    Why is T-posing considered to be asserting dominance? If someone struck that pose to me in real life I'd punch them for trying to pull that crap on me. And with the position their body is in, they'd be left wide open!
    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    WTF LOL
    Zachmac
    Zachmac
    It makes you look bigger for that extra intimidation effect, like when a bear gets up on its hind legs or a cobra spreads its neck out.
    You know, I think I'll bring this up. Be it enhanced port of 4 or brand new game (the latter of which is what we got) people were asking for a Smash Bros. game on Switch to a point that was often frothing at the mouth practically out of the gate.

    That's probably part of why Ultimate released in 2018. But what if Nintendo decided not to adhere to those requests? What if despite the inevitable Internet rage they decided to wait a little longer?

    Do you think it's better that they released it when they did for marketing reasons? Would you have preferred the higher amount of base game characters and new stages that taking longer would have likely led to? Or do you think it doesn't matter too much either way?
    I'm not sure how many of you ever saw the old Nickelodeon cartoon known as Danny Phantom, but for those who did, remember the episode where Danny and Tucker get obsessed with an MMO and start to give their friend Sam a bunch of crap for "not knowing anything about the game because she's a girl", and then later they find out that the player acting as a boss that they just couldn't get past was her all along, and then she starts giving them crap for not being as good at the game as she is?

    Tucker tells her in response "All right already!" and every time he says that I can't help but think "Dude, sit there and take it. She freaking earned this."
    Sari
    Sari
    Danny Phantom was one of my favorite Nick shows as a kid. It's up there with Jimmy Neutron and the older seasons of Spongebob.
    RealPokeFan11
    RealPokeFan11
    Never really watched Danny Phantom, but there's a comic book crossover of Danny Phantom and Ben 10 made by a guy called Kuro the Artist that I would highly recommend checking out. It's called "5 Years Later" or "5YL" for short.
    UserKev UserKev Your signature says you want to meet Sakurai. If I may ask, what's the reason you want to meet him?
    UserKev
    UserKev
    Sakurai is fascinating. Haha I also want to convince him the merit of Cranky Kong and why he should be in Smash.
    You know something I always found weird about the Game Boy Advance? If you exclude the Virtual Boy and count the Game Boy and Game Boy Color as 1 system, the GBA is the only Nintendo system to not have it's own original Mario Platformer.
    Rie Sonomura Rie Sonomura I can’t reply to it for some reason. But here’s my response on you wondering if it’s weird to want Vault Boy over Doomguy or Dovakhiin.

    No. I don’t think it’s weird. In fact, it would be nice to see him in a good game again after Fallout 76.
    Whenever people think of ideas for new Assist Trophies, Pokemon almost always gets left out because of the Pokeball Item. Which honestly makes complete sense. I did see an idea for the Pokemon Ranger as an assist trophy years ago which might still work. But other than that, do options for a Pokemon Assist Trophy even exist?
    Question for fellow fans of Cadence of Hyrule. The main villain, Octavo, debuted in this game. Yeah to my surprise he didn’t debut in Crypt of the Necrodancer. And since that’s the case, who owns Octavo? The developers of Crypt of the Necrodancer? Or Nintendo?
    THE SLOTH
    THE SLOTH
    Haven’t played the game so I might be entirely wrong, but wouldn’t it be a DKC situation where the third party created the character, but it’s part of Nintendo’s intellectual property, so they technically own the character?
    Champion of Hyrule
    Champion of Hyrule
    The fact that it’s a crossover would probably make it more complicated than that.
    A lot of people are happy that we're getting Online Tourney Mode. I am too but in an attempt to dispel any potential rage, seeing as no one likes feeling that, I will leave a reminder here that Sakurai did say that the rules are pre-set every time.

    So yeah, still a few kinks to work out in the Online Department.
    I'm going to go ahead and drop this take here. It's temperature is up to your interpretation. Even if every character on the fighter pass is one that is not currently in the game as a spirit, that still doesn't mean that spirits deconfirm fighters.

    Plain and simple. They don't.

    There are only two ways that spirits can deconfirm anyone. And they've both already been shot down.

    The first is if the spirit renders it impossible to develop the character as a fighter. Which it doesn't. It's an image file. It can be equipped to the fighter in question no problem. Characters like Mario and Link even have alternate artworks of them as spirits. And the fighter spirits can just use a different artwork. Including the characters render in Smash Ultimate.

    The second is if the spirits was included with the knowledge that they wouldn't be making it a dlc fighter. And it's pretty clear that's not how things went. There's a whole adventure mode based on spirits. They were certainly included long before the DLC was finalized in November 2018.
    I'm not sure why I can't leave a comment on Schnee117 Schnee117 's recent status. But I can't so I'll just say it here instead. *salute*
    You know what yeah. I think I'll throw my hat in the ring on this. The lack of a National Dex and the re-used Pokemon models are legitimate concerns for sure. But like, they're not enough for Sword and Shield to be considered a legitimately bad game. And technically it is possible for the animations to improve though that is a "time will tell" kind of thing (that one tree is probably getting fixed though). So when the game comes out, if it ends up performing well can we just......not make any claims of people accepting mediocrity or having low standards or things like that?

    There will be other things in Sword and Shield that will make it a good game and a game that people enjoy. The Pokemon community has already let itself become disgustingly toxic over this. Can we not become what Fire Emblem Elitists let the fact that Awakening and Fates aren't the older games allow them to become?
    ItsMeBrandon
    ItsMeBrandon
    I have personal concerns about the National Dex/visuals too, but I think most people are blowing the issues far out of proportion. A number of my friends are treating it like it's the worst thing ever, and so many people I see act as if you're not allowed to say anything positive about the games.
    I mean, we still know so little about the games, when you really think about it. We just need to learn more/actually have the games in our hands before we pass such harsh judgment.
    Wario Wario Wario
    Wario Wario Wario
    I was recommended a video called "GAME FREAK APOLOGISTS OWNED!" or something like that... "apologist"? seriously?
    THE SLOTH
    THE SLOTH
    I have my own concerns over these things as well, and it's certainly dampened my once high opinion of the game(s), but I don't think it's going to be a trashfire... yet. I think this is really going to be a case of having to wait and see before passing judgement, and while Game Freak hasn't done themselves any favors to reassure fans, some people certainly are taking it a bit too far.
    With 3 of the 5 characters on the fighter pass being revealed, my predictions for the last two..........well, I kind of have two. If the fighter pass is indeed all 3rd party characters, then I predict character 74 as Leon and character 75 as Lloyd Irving. If the last two characters are owned by Nintendo, then I predict character 74 as Elma and character 75 as Bandana Dee.
    Apologies for the vent, but I need to let this out. It's fine to not like certain characters or certain move types (swords, counters, etc) in Smash. But at the very least, you have to accept that they're in. Almost everytime someone doesn't, all they accomplish is making themselves look like a whiny, spoiled child.
    Hey man, just wanted to let you know that I unfortunately won't be entering this round of the stage competition. I didn't want to double post on the thread, so I figured I'd post here. Things just didn't work out, but I'm cool with that. Anyway, I figured I'd give you a heads up since I didn't want you and the rest of the judges to wait up on me. It's all good.
    psb123
    psb123
    Thanks for the update. And bear in mind you can always leave for submission for fun at a later date if you so wish. Or you could use it in the Anything Goes 2 round. Whichever works for you.
    Good Guy Giygas
    Good Guy Giygas
    Hmm, good to know. Thanks!
    Who do you want as a newcomer in SSBU?
    So, Your profile pic has two swords and a book. The Monado Sword, The Master Sword, and that Book that i have no idea what it is. What is that book?
    "Anticipating Smash 4 Deluxe" Uh, yeah. About that. Could very well be a new game instead. Either way, HYPED!!!!!!!!
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