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GamerZardEX
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  • With a lot of pros dropping DK for top tiers, I feel like I'm gonna become subject to this trend eventually since the devs refuse to buff/fix him.

    Any solo-viable alternatives to DK when this happens?
    Me: SD's after getting 2 stocked because that means my loss is assured and I'm not good enough to turn it around
    My opponents for some reason:
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    Janx_uwu
    Janx_uwu
    Yes, people look at you weird for being a sore loser. This has been a thing since long before Smash existed. If a basketball team is ten points behind in the last quarter, it's silly to throw in the towel because there's still a chance they can come back, and even if not-say they're thirty points behind-it's still considered good sportsmanship to keep playing.
    Tyr0nium
    Tyr0nium
    play me boi!
    Tyr0nium
    Tyr0nium
    YOYOYOYOO GAMERDONG IS IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!! AHHGHHGHGHGHGHGHGHGH
    Pokémon Unite is loads of fun, but for some reason, losing in this gane makes me considerably less angry than losing in Smash.

    I don't get it.
    Why do people even bother with online tourneys when the tourneys have proven to be messy because of the netcode of most games?
    Wigglerman
    Wigglerman
    Because it beats NOT playing the game at all? All salt considered. I'd much rather play if I can than not.
    I have no idea why I'm incapable of improving, even when I try to.

    I feel like trash...
    Doc Monocle
    Doc Monocle
    Have you tried getting someone to review gameplay videos?
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    What's that gonna do? It's not gonna help when everyone else is leagues better than me.
    Doc Monocle
    Doc Monocle
    The purpose of doing so is that they can examine your gameplay to see what you have trouble with. Sometimes, the critique of another person can be very educating, since it is a difficult thing for one to know their own errors. They may notice patterns in your gameplay that would have taken much longer for you to find on your own.
    Smash Twitter showed me something. Hikaru won a Japanese major with DK of all characters and people think nothing of it. As a DK main, this obsession with his flaws is shallow and disgusting.

    I wish these tier-obsessed elitists would admit that bad characters can win bad MUs.
    I've ******* had enough of Smash Twitter.

    "IT's NOt BEING OutPlAYED BEcAUse ThE CHaRACter IS GiMmicKY."

    "tHIs ChaRaCTeR iS too SuCky foR tHEIr WinS TO be deServeD."

    "MiD/LOw tIEr maiNs ARE A bLiGht iN the SMASH cOMMUniTY ruInINg brACKEts aNd SUch."

    It's toxic. And I feel bad for saying some of this junk before.
    People are making fun of superheavy mains so hard and I'm trying not to retaliate. It hurts.
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    Then I'm not really enjoying myself. Winning doesn't feel good if it's someone I don't play.
    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    There's like 80 characters in the game, there's bound to be more than one that isn't a superheavy that you can enjoy. I don't know why you insist on playing DK when you trash him so much. I never once related to that feeling. If I love a character, I'll do anything to make it work.

    For example, Zelda has a horrible dash animation. It takes 16 Frames for you to be able to shield, and let alone anything else. This makes me run into dumb things a lot, including smash attacks. But then, I also recognize I can try and mitigate that.
    Wigglerman
    Wigglerman
    I play Incineroar regularly still. Bad character. Fun to play. Take your L's and your W's in stride. If you already accept the character isn't the best then it just takes a lot off the mind. People crap on Incineroar though he has good things. But his good things aren't enough to offset his bad things. I'ma just keep playing him. Same with Kazuya. Even if he proves to be terrible in the long run, gunna keep playing the heck out of him. No amount of 'hurr hurr dat charactur is bad!' will ever stop me, nor will it annoy me because I'm aware of said characters shortcomings and don't care.
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    Your opponent tries to recover, fails, and is now falling to their death.

    If you still go for a spike WHILE THEY'RE FALLING, you are more deplorable and unsportsmanlike than any teabagger. There should be a rule about it.
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    You don't get it. These types of players tick me off to no end. Maybe I should start doing it since playing in such a way to make people go ape**** is so effective. I haven't been doing it because I'm not rude.
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    While I'm at it, why don't I just start teabagging after every kill, even when I'm playing obviously worse players?
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    I swear, half the time, it feels like nobody can relate to my gripes and they just give their simplified, unrealistic two cents.
    "If it's not Guilty Gear Strive, don't play its online mode." "An online game without rollback should never be played." "I don't care if you don't care. We hate bad netcode and you should ditch your favorite game."

    I hate gatekeepers, thinking they can force people to give up what they love and play what they don't care for. Casuals don't deserve this.
    Why do people disagree when I say "it was an online tourney, so it doesn't mean anything"? Online and offline are not the same thing.
    Strong Badam
    Strong Badam
    Probably because of the totality of the statement - saying online tournaments don't mean anything is quite obviously false. Better players tend to win much more often than they lose even in an online environment. Better players are also more effective at adjusting their playstyles to suit the environment, rather than just trying to play the same as if it were an offline tournament. Put another way, someone who can't make it out of pools no matter how much they try in online events isn't likely to place top 8 at an offline major, or vice versa. If your statement was instead something like "Online tournaments are not as reliable as offline tournaments at predicting future offline tournament results," few people would disagree. Because that is true and agreeable - and obvious.
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    I meant as in, "Because Smash Ultimate's online is bad, any good online tournament results, especially if it's with a non-meta character, are irrelevant because online plays differently. Winning with this mid tier online says nothing about their offline performance."
    Strong Badam
    Strong Badam
    Yeah that's still wrong, because you're saying it means "nothing" and is "irrelevant." It is relevant, and it does mean something, just not as much as an offline tournament. If you stop making absolute statements like that you will get less people disagreeing with you.
    Seeing that Nickelodeon's new project is going to have rollback, I must ask again...

    Aside from Guilty Gear Strive, WHY do we still play these delay-based fighting games when good netcode is something people religiously obsess over?
    Wigglerman
    Wigglerman
    The majority of Smash players, for example, are the 'casuals' and likely kids/teens that just want to play Smash even if online can be inconsistent. It matters less to them than competitive players.
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    Ok but the pros have a major gripe about this. Why aren't any of them saying. "Drop Smash Ultimate, online is trash and casuals are ruining it"?
    Wigglerman
    Wigglerman
    GamerZardEX GamerZardEX It's the same reason pro players didn't ditch SF4 or even SF5. It's why they don't ditch Tekken 7. Though the netcode isn't great, that is the current game for their series so they stick with it. If they just drop Ultimate, what Smash game are they reasonably going to turn to? None. Melee? Probably not. Most Smash players don't over invest in the other Smash games so they don't screw with their muscle memory. And even if they do want to go to Melee they have to go through setting up all the modded online stuff they might not feel like doing. Or learning/re-learning a completely different game.

    And to say pros don't have gripes about shoddy online experiences: What ROCK have you been living under? Ultimate's online and a lot of other games online has been under blast for years. But there isn't much to be done about it if the devs just aren't listening other than suck it up and play it the best we can online while waiting for local sessions/events.
    Hit and Run characters like Sheik and Greninja have no counterplay. I can only get stray hits on them.
    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    Relatable.
    Is it wrong to say I'm not winning more because I main DK? I find that his flaws are solely at fault for why I can't win with him. I consider him the second worst superheavy just SLIGHTY above Ganondorf.

    Conversely, Krool is starting to become a crutch character because he's less susceptible to forcing me to ragequit.

    Dropping them both would leave me with characters I don't get satisfaction from.
    Doc Monocle
    Doc Monocle
    I do not know what else to say. If you ask me, Every character not purposefully unbalanced has limitations which you must learn to handle-- it is part of the skill in handling that character. At this point though, there is hardly a thing I could say that is not repetition. I wish I could help more, but I do not play Ultimate yet, and it seems like you consistently take a mindset that, to me, appears to be making you miserable. I would and could not recommend anything and feel well afterward if you would still be miserable.
    If, by some miracle, I do change my mindset, how would I even be able to prove that, especially after many years?
    Cutie Gwen
    Cutie Gwen
    By showing it, by having good sportsmanship when losing like saying GGs. It really won't be hard to prove if you do it
    S
    StoicPhantom
    I think it'll be self-evident for anyone that doesn't just want to bully you.
    i went thru a lot of your posts and i think it might be best if you drop ult or at least uninstall it for a week or two if youre getting so mad to the point where you break things i think you should take a break and find something else to do instead of smash
    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    I mean, it's literally an addiction at that point. I know, because I went through the exact same thing. A lot of the problem was wifi, honestly. I do aknowledge the game is poorly designed, but at least it's a lot better now that I quit wifi for good.

    "teabagging", lame strategies that would never work in real life (offline) and belittling is all wifi. Sure, someone might taunt you in friendlies or bracket offline, but it's way more acceptable than the usual dumb online behaviour.
    Tyr0nium
    Tyr0nium
    He's never going to quit he likes the attention of being a victim so much. If it isn't this game it will be another, which he already has proven
    I heard Potemkin got heavily nerfed on Strive's release. If anyone still plays him, they've earned my raised brows and puzzlement. (Think back to my grappler criticism)
    I left the DK discord and I'm never going back. I don't want to be where I can't vent my frustrations at all.

    Also pretty weird that while some character discords have a vent channel, the DKcord of all things won't allow one. Shows how much I can't stand Smashers sometimes.
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    Oogaboonga
    can we get a fight club for smashboards? Im willing to pay 500 dollars to knock this idiot out. Beat him like his parents have should.
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    You act as if I did something that would warrant an arrest.
    DO NOT EVER downplay someone's frustration with "just don't get angry". It shows you either know nothing about anger or you don't care. Either way, unless you have something constructive and realistic to say, DON'T give your insensitive two cents.
    The "It's too early" crowd make no sense (you know who you people are). People are allowed to have opinions, facts are already made. You underestimate us.
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    That said, Krool is +3 against Kazuya. No ifs, ands, or buts.
    Tyr0nium
    Tyr0nium
    i dont think theres ever a +3 mu in this game bud
    What is a character without a projectile supposed to do when Kazuya has Rage Drive available so I don't get cheap killed by it?
    Janx_uwu
    Janx_uwu
    Get him to 140% before he has the chance.
    Ben Holt
    Ben Holt
    It actually is a pretty OP move, being a command grab with Super Armor.
    The only surefire way to avoid it is with a dodge.
    Ben Holt
    Ben Holt
    But it's still slow on startup, so if you react fast enough, you can roll away.
    Results of the night:

    • Bedroom doorknob looser than before
    • Bedroom TV inoperable
    • Cabinet door loose
    • No access to an active matchfinder forced me to play online tourney mode, resulting in the above
    • Fighting level 1 CPUs brings no satisfaction
    I don't know what to do anymore. No matter how many breaks I take, **** just gets worse.

    Ever since getting banned from that server, I resorted to intentional toxicity on social media because that's what everyone sees in me, plus, I was out of options and had nothing else to lose.
    Now I'm breaking important stuff and angering the mods.

    Why is acceptance of everyone's facts such a hard concept for me to grasp?
    S
    StoicPhantom
    You should probably take longer breaks if you are getting to the point of breaking things. I used to take breaks that lasted for months before I dropped Ultimate altogether because I came to terms with the fact that I didn't like playing the game. My mental state has improved considerably since I stopped playing.

    I don't know, I might be afraid to ACTUALLY feel content with the facts. It might feel fake and counterproductive in the end.
    Can you elaborate more on this GamerZardEX GamerZardEX ?
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    S StoicPhantom I have this gripe about positivity. I'm not sure I can explain it myself.

    If I lose a match that I couldn't do anything in or felt I should've won, the "correct" thing to do would be to brush off any negativity and just laugh and move on, as well as what you said about losses. But if I did that, not only would it feel like I'm ignoring something important, I'd be downplaying how much the pain of losing is. I'd be going against my definition of fun (losing invalidates it, which now sounds dumb).

    I'd probably feel weird and uncomfortable for acting like I had a good time despite getting outplayed by certain players. Even worse, I think positivity wouldn't last long, given the amount of years this has gone on.

    This would also tie in to my sense of entitlement. Whenever I go into a match against a character I struggle against, I would think, "I'm GOING to win this somehow." When I don't, I should be doing the correct reaction of accepting that I lost to a better player, but then that would mean discrediting my own efforts.

    Sorry if that didn't make much sense. I'm unsure about it all.
    Ben Holt
    Ben Holt
    GamerZardEX GamerZardEX We DO accept you. We care about you and your mental health.
    If by acceptance, you mean accepting that you lost, that's gonna be a personal growth.
    Try watching YouTube videos to learn about your mains and all their unique toolsets. If you struggle against a character, learn to play AS that character so that you get a feel for their weaknesses.
    Why doesn't anyone take my frustration seriously?
    Cutie Gwen
    Cutie Gwen
    You do realize that this just makes you come across as pathetic, right? Breaking stuff in your house because you lost a video game. Not sure if you realize this, but everybody loses in a video game countless times in their lives. Fix your anger issues, grow up, ideally both, for your own sake.
    xzx
    xzx
    No, winning COMES from learning! You have to LEARN the Mii Gunner matchup in order to win it. LEARN LEARN LEARN. Go in with the mindset of "I'm playing to learn, not to win". When you lose, say: "I'm just learning. What could I have done better?" And improve from there.

    Even top players have the mentality of "play to learn". Unless you're always playing in tournaments (in which "play to win" trumps "play to learn") you should too. We all have to.

    Otherwise that's the problem. It's ALL on you then.
    S
    StoicPhantom
    Winning and losing does matter to anyone that takes competition even remotely seriously, but only when you've achieved a high enough level that you can actually distinguish your wins from your losses in a meaningful way. If you are losing frequently you are either playing highly skilled players all the time or you are playing at a low level. The former is when wins and losses become meaningful as both players are at a level where there skill matters and with the latter they are meaningless because the player is playing at too low of a level for wins and losses to be distinguished from flukes.


    Think of people telling you that winning doesn't matter as less of winning doesn't actually matter and more that winning doesn't matter yet. Getting good is a lengthy process and early failures don't matter in the face of later successes. Even if you lose frequently now it won't matter when you become skilled later on because you will be a completely different player then. Thus, don't take your current losses to heart and just focus on improving until your actual wins are greater than your losses. Don't put the cart before the horse and expect to be winning lots now as some sort of metric for being good. More frequents wins is a byproduct of being good, not the goal.
    Marcina is an overpowered character with no real weakness. And no, they're hard to gimp because of their movement and disjoints, so the recovery problem is not a real weakness.
    People who take complete, unremorseful joy out of bullying others for their struggles make me livid, and other stuff I can't say here.

    Any more I find will not go unreported.
    DrCoeloCephalo
    DrCoeloCephalo
    Good thing I got nothing to worry about then since pointing out a game having bad online isn't bullying. It's a fact.
    Tyr0nium
    Tyr0nium
    CAN YOU FEEL THE GAMERZARD TONIGHT???????????????
    Since no one knows the difference between "refuses" and "tries but is unable", I'm not listening to anyone anymore. Y'all never heard of a relapse before, or just choose not to.
    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    yeh
    DrCoeloCephalo
    DrCoeloCephalo
    Then don't be surprised when no one listens to your scrubby rants.


    """"refuses""""

    Are they serious, or is that another language for "unable"? Seriously, I actually TRY to change my mindset, but my low tolerance for getting bodied makes it difficult. But I guess no one gets that, huh?

    Now where am I supposed to matchmake??
    keleyeemoh
    keleyeemoh
    This is pathetic. You have self control. Before you click the post button, you could just think, "Is this toxic?" and choose not to post if it is. But you refuse to do that. This isn't a drug that you can relapse into, this is human behavior on the internet.
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    I'm pretty sure self control is not that easy. There's something called "impulse", a sudden strong and unreflective urge or desire to act. Impulse isn't easy to resist.
    Doc Monocle
    Doc Monocle
    Impulses are ever easy to resist. That is why human beings do wrong, but they do not strip one of their will. The crucial element behind maturity and good character is that in spite of the forces and 'irresistible' provocations to act in a destructive manner, we simply choose not to. That is not to downplay the difficulty you have with this, as everyone, without exception, has weaknesses to their character that make them more easily encouraged to do something wrong in different aspects. For me, it might be the temptation to avenge a wrong, for you it might be excessive eating, etc. In short, you do have a choice, no matter how difficult it may be to make he right one.
    Been thinking about making a video or reddit post on "Top 10 worst Smash Ultimate characters and why you shouldn't main them".

    Even if I already know most people are going to disagree with my making such a list, let alone my controversial choices.
    Are low level players such as me just NOT allowed to have a character crisis?
    DrCoeloCephalo
    DrCoeloCephalo
    Ultimate has trash online. That's a long established fact. Not MY problem at all since I'm not touching that garbage. Too busy playing other games.
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    .....So you hate on Ultimate simply for its trash online? Seriously?
    DrCoeloCephalo
    DrCoeloCephalo
    Never once said that was the only reason but of course you yourself said you weren't gonna listen anyway, so I'd expect as much lol.

    Plus, you've certainly expressed plenty of displeasure and hatred over the online sucking so hard yourself anyway.
    I still find it dumb that I get banned for one hour for ragequitting after a teabag. If it were up to me, teabagging would result in a 24 hour long ban at the very least, and repeat offenders would have weeks into months tacked on.

    Teabagging is not a "tactic", it's straight up bullying.
    GamerZardEX
    GamerZardEX
    DrCoeloCephalo DrCoeloCephalo Also, don't you dare diss Smash Ultimate to me like that. Just because you hate it doesn't mean EVERYONE should.
    RealPokeFan11
    RealPokeFan11
    GamerZardEX GamerZardEX Dude all you ever do is complain about Ultimate LMFAO
    Oz o:
    Oz o:
    I don't hate Ultimate as a whole, but there are aspects of it that really gets me. For one, it's online is horrible and I finally learned the listen: quit. Not the game, just it's crappy online. You say it hasn't done anything to you, but you'd be surprised just how much a percentage is really just that.

    It's no coincidence to me Ultimate makes a lot of people angry. I never once complained over a Smash game or characters, but Ultimate drove me there. It's literally a poorly designed competitive game catered to less skilled players.
    I always thought improving and having fun were mutually exclusive. Are they not?
    KingofPhantoms
    KingofPhantoms
    I main King K. Rool and I've had more fun while improving my skills with him than not.

    They aren't mutually exclusive in the slightest.
    Tyr0nium
    Tyr0nium
    have u tried gitting gud?
    DrCoeloCephalo
    DrCoeloCephalo
    If you're trying to improve and you're not enjoying yourself, then there's clearly a problem with either you or the game.

    People don't get better at a game because they HAVE to but because they WANT to and it's fun for them.

    You're clearly not having fun.
    Can Kazuya technically be considered a villain? I know his hatred of Heihachi is justified, but then he has the Devil Gene, and pretty much everything else about him screams "evil".
    RileyXY1
    RileyXY1
    He is what it is known as a Fallen Hero, who is a protagonist who eventually turns evil. Kazuya actually was the main protagonist of the original Tekken.
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