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[Perfect Chaos]

Huh... I never realized that Ogden was barely outside of Davis County. Well, that makes it even more irrelevant, since I only bother to go north of SL County for Anime Banzai, so chances of me going to Weber County is even less.

 

[Kdog98]

Somebody pls help me with the fox shiek match up

 

[OkayP.]

Dude. You have to clarify on which side lol

 

[Kdog98]

Fox, I figured you could just look at my thing I see I'm a fox main, also my profile picture is a shine lol

 

[OkayP.]

Fox, I figured you could just look at my thing I see I'm a fox main, also my profile picture is a shine lol

I dont know dude youd asume i main falco but really im a sheik boyie

 

[Kdog98]

Then you're a dingus

 

[OkayP.]

Then you're a dingus

Ok donkus (adventure time!)

 

[Kdog98]

aight then

 

[SoapSuds]

Do you have any videos of you vs sheik?

 

[Kdog98]

Nah, wish I did it would be a lot easier to analyze myself

 

[Kdog98]

But I'll try and get some next time I go to a tourney, chances are I'll face double shiek again lol

 

[TheForestGreenSheik]

well in fox vs sheik:
Sheik can wreck you really easily, so you have to be careful. Fox gets wrecked mostly by Nair, Fair, Bair, Uair, Dair, Dash attack, DSmash, Usmash, needles, chain, Ftilt, Utilit, Dtilt, and jab. Yep, just don't get hit by those and you're all set!

 

[Kdog98]

Dang, thanks for the helpful insight. I now see the error of my ways

 

[Perfect Chaos]

Ironic, since I have trouble against Fox.

 

[Roguay]

Somebody pls help me with the fox shiek match up

drillshine upsmash is bread and butter. you must be able to hit confirm shine into upsmash every time

uptilt is good anti air if sheik is right above you, it beats all her aerials except dair which doesnt get used often

when sheik is on platform, she wants to drop through backair 100% of the time

remember that sheik wants to grab you really bad

don't get shieldgrabbed

nair into nair is good because it puts sheik offstage

always take ledge when edgeguarding and ALWAYS REFRESH INVULNERABILITY then regular getup and punish while she's in her upB endlag

make sure you DI away when you get ftilted

remember that standing laser beats standing needle

remember that 1 laser = 1 unstaled other move

 

[Support.]

Huh... I never realized that Ogden was barely outside of Davis County. Well, that makes it even more irrelevant, since I only bother to go north of SL County for Anime Banzai, so chances of me going to Weber County is even less.

Wat

 

[Kdog98]

Yo Roguay thanks a ton, you're a big help. I guess the only thing to do about that Perfect Chaos is to mm you and see who's worse Keepo

 

[Roguay]

Yo Roguay thanks a ton, you're a big help. I guess the only thing to do about that Perfect Chaos is to mm you and see who's worse Keepo

no problem fam

 

[TheForestGreenSheik]

Guys what about the Marth vs Jiggs matchup? I know its not a common one but I smash with HWN. Just looking to see if there's any specific mindgames or kill setups that work well

 

[Kdog98]

Did I do that mm thing right OkayP. I guess all I have left to do is not show up to a tournament and then blame it on PC huh?

 

[adlp]

Guys what about the Marth vs Jiggs matchup? I know its not a common one but I smash with HWN. Just looking to see if there's any specific mindgames or kill setups that work well

i got u

fsmash on shield will get you rested
whiffed standing or JC grab will get you rested if they crouch. in this matchup you primarily need to dash grab no JC because it can reach a crouched puff

fthrow and dthrow should be used most unless the puff cant escape juggles well. at low percents if they DI inwards you can regrab or smash and if they DI away then you can fsmash tipper. your throws should be mixed up between fthrow and dthrow so their DI gets messed up. at around 100% you dthrow wavedash back tipper fsmash

above 100% im like uhh and keep hitting you until you die. probably might have to rely on a read since it's hard to kill floaties at high percents.

also SH double fair is good but dont over use it. also side B is a decent anti air that beats puff's fair and nair but idk bout bair (prolly not)

rest punishes go for the tipper fsmash or fully charged neutral B to kill off the side or tipper dsmash to kill off the top (the back swing of marth's dsmash is stronger tipper i think but not sure)

basically play patient and have a reason for every smash you throw out.

 

[adlp]

oh **** i almost forgot im supposed to ****post every page

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im out

 

[TheForestGreenSheik]

i got u

fsmash on shield will get you rested
whiffed standing or JC grab will get you rested if they crouch. in this matchup you primarily need to dash grab no JC because it can reach a crouched puff

fthrow and dthrow should be used most unless the puff cant escape juggles well. at low percents if they DI inwards you can regrab or smash and if they DI away then you can fsmash tipper. your throws should be mixed up between fthrow and dthrow so their DI gets messed up. at around 100% you dthrow wavedash back tipper fsmash

above 100% im like uhh and keep hitting you until you die. probably might have to rely on a read since it's hard to kill floaties at high percents.

also SH double fair is good but dont over use it. also side B is a decent anti air that beats puff's fair and nair but idk bout bair (prolly not)

rest punishes go for the tipper fsmash or fully charged neutral B to kill off the side or tipper dsmash to kill off the top (the back swing of marth's dsmash is stronger tipper i think but not sure)

basically play patient and have a reason for every smash you throw out.

Thanks homie, much appreciated!

 

[Tacblack]

Guys what about the Marth vs Jiggs matchup? I know its not a common one but I smash with HWN. Just looking to see if there's any specific mindgames or kill setups that work well

Grabbing a crouching Jigglypuff: http://smashboards.com/posts/15941634
Actual reliable (DI dependent) fthrow/dthrow kill set ups: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9vjux7JPmM

Also check out Kadono's godlike post. TON'S of information. Some relating to Jiggs in the character specific section. You're bound to find something useful here and alot of it isn't related to Jiggs. If you're are a Marth main you really really really should read this post.:
http://smashboards.com/threads/kadano’s-perfect-marth-class—advanced-frame-data-application.337035/#post-15941634

General advice:

You generally out space Jiggs aerial wise. The tricky part of Jiggs is the outrageous movement in the air. She can close alot of space really quickly. Furthermore, you can be punished incredibly hard. Jiggs can take you off the stage and wall you out for incredibly early kills. Anytime you tech on a platform you have to be aware of a possible rest punish.

If the marth is patient, you will find opportunities. Use Fair carefully because it has enough lag to be punished.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS take stage control. Take center stage because it puts pressure on Jiggs to approach. Jiggs doesn't really have any super safe approach options. This matchup is very reliant on micro spacing. Take adlp's advice.

Also check this out: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Daf_Dqod1HoMj7L26ITeUM-xKUKhfxh2vJLWOl2N0C8/edit

 

[TheForestGreenSheik]

Grabbing a crouching Jigglypuff: http://smashboards.com/posts/15941634
Actual reliable (DI dependent) fthrow/dthrow kill set ups: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9vjux7JPmM

Also check out Kadono's godlike post. TON'S of information. Some relating to Jiggs in the character specific section. You're bound to find something useful here and alot of it isn't related to Jiggs. If you're are a Marth main you really really really should read this post.:
http://smashboards.com/threads/kadano’s-perfect-marth-class—advanced-frame-data-application.337035/#post-15941634

General advice:

You generally out space Jiggs aerial wise. The tricky part of Jiggs is the outrageous movement in the air. She can close alot of space really quickly. Furthermore, you can be punished incredibly hard. Jiggs can take you off the stage and wall you out for incredibly early kills. Anytime you tech on a platform you have to be aware of a possible rest punish.

If the marth is patient, you will find opportunities. Use Fair carefully because it has enough lag to be punished.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS take stage control. Take center stage because it puts pressure on Jiggs to approach. Jiggs doesn't really have any super safe approach options. This matchup is very reliant on micro spacing. Take adlp's advice.

Also check this out: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Daf_Dqod1HoMj7L26ITeUM-xKUKhfxh2vJLWOl2N0C8/edit

That makes two! Thanks dude, I'll make sure to check out the resources.

 

[hylian_buffalo]

Me and a friend are based in Tooele. We were wondering if anyone knows of any smash 4 tournaments going on in the Tooele, Utah, Salt Lake, or Utah counties anytime soon. Does anyone have any information?

 

[OkayP.]

Did I do that mm thing right OkayP. I guess all I have left to do is not show up to a tournament and then blame it on PC huh?

I can't fix your opinion. Anyway. .Jet. is coming down from washington in a couple weeks. and my parents are finally going to allow me to come to a few tourneys. What dates should i put aside (aside from SAM) for tourneys with big turnouts?.

 

[Support.]

I can't fix your opinion. Anyway. .Jet. is coming down from washington in a couple weeks. and my parents are finally going to allow me to come to a few tourneys. What dates should i put aside (aside from SAM) for tourneys with big turnouts?.

Come to Nortah fam. HMJ 3 is right around the corner.

 

[Roguay]

Guys what about the Marth vs Jiggs matchup? I know its not a common one but I smash with HWN. Just looking to see if there's any specific mindgames or kill setups that work well

fist hit side B into uptilt is kill setup at high %

condition puff to not crouch by downtilting it

ftilt is great when jiggs is at the edge

SH nair is pretty good because you can hit crouching jigs with it and you can't get CC rested as easily

 

[OkayP.]

I

Come to Nortah fam. HMJ 3 is right around the corner.

said dates lol

 

[demodisc]

SAM 4 bi-weekly Tournement November 21st
at bushi kai usa
Bushi Kai USA, East Pacific Drive, American Fork, UT

Venue Fee 10$
Venue fee halved if SETUP (Gamecube/Wii + Melee game disc or hacked Wii + CRT or Wii U with smash 4 (all unlocked characters and dreamland 64)

Schedule:

Venue Opens 1:00PM

>Smash 4 SINGLES (3:30-End of Singles)
Entry fee: 5$ per person
Pot split 60 30 10
2/3 bracket
3/5 Bracket finals

Melee DOUBLES (5:30-End of Doubles)
Entry fee: 10$ per team/5$ per person
Pot split 60 30 10
2/3 bracket
3/5 Bracket finals

>Melee SINGLES (7:30-End)
Entry fee 10$ per person
Pot split 60 30 10
2/3 bracket
3/5 bracket finals

General conduct rules apply (Given)

Doors will be open

Hope to see you all there!

 

[DrPhantasma]

real gr8 d8, m8

 

[TheForestGreenSheik]

fist hit side B into uptilt is kill setup at high %

condition puff to not crouch by downtilting it

ftilt is great when jiggs is at the edge

SH nair is pretty good because you can hit crouching jigs with it and you can't get CC rested as easily

Thanks to you too Roguay!

I'll be sure to try and implement these tips into my play, for better outcomes.

 

[941]

As Marth, You should always implement tips into your play, for better outcomes.

 

[OkayP.]

As any character, you should always implement spacing into your play, for better outcomes.

 

[demodisc]

real gr8 d8, m8

Whoops it's on the 21st sorry

 

[Blues17]

Yo while we're throwin' out matchup advice who wants to help me take down those ****damn icies? As Fox or Falcon.

 

[Sinz]

As fox shine.
As falcon dair.

 

[Support.]

If you're getting beat by the ICs you obviously doing something wrong..... Like.... Getting..... ****ing..... Gimmicked....

 

[Roguay]

Yo while we're throwin' out matchup advice who wants to help me take down those ****damn icies? As Fox or Falcon.

fox

drillshine to separate them

remember that nana has her own %

your execution has to be pretty good, practice killing nana as quickly as possible

platforms are your friend

ics are deceptively fast