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Lucina, Dark Pit and Toon Link* . At least the Doc got some different custom specials (healing pills eg.) and different down air and down B moves. He is actually the least "cloned" of the 4.
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I agree clones that evolve are really nice and agree with your point, I just still prefer completely original characters that bring a lot of new mechanics to the table.Clone characters are better than unique characters in my opinion. It is always vastly interesting to see a different approach to a familiar move-set resulting in a character that usually offers more (or something entirely different) than the original. Jigglypuff is a good example of a semi-clone taken to the next level. Luigi is a good example of how a clone can become something more, he is just vaguely reminiscent of his counter-part. Roy and Marth's sword mechanics accented each-other perfectly. I believe Falco had the exact same move-set as Fox, but through the different properties attributed to each move, they play nothing alike. Ganondorf was the antithesis of Captain Falcon. Pichu actually had the MOST unique mechanic in Smash history. So on and so forth.
That, to me, is more interesting than a character with an entirely new move-set. It is great to have characters that offer an entirely different play-style or mechanic; however, I prefer that the character has an established move-set turned unique over a newcomer that just happens to have a non-cloned move-set. I am looking at characters like Greninja.
It is better to have two characters that contrast each-other in the most beautiful of ways than to have two unrelated characters that feel similar to other cast members. Again, looking at you Greninja.
I have nothing against Greninja, by the way. He is just such an easy example of a character with a different move-set that offers barely anything new or interesting. This game, Smash 4, did a great job of diversifying the cast. I adamantly believe that this is the best newcomer roster because of such. I do not give half a **** about the characters in the game (I can say that with little difficulty because I literally got all of my wanted characters minus Black Shadow anyways).
I have no idea why I rambled so long about this. It is not even relevant in the grand scheme of things, clones ARE in the game, they DO offer something unique, and I like them more than I like regular characters. Everyone else can cry me a salty river and deal with it.
These, these my homies still.
Morbid.Clone characters are better than unique characters in my opinion. It is always vastly interesting to see a different approach to a familiar move-set resulting in a character that usually offers more (or something entirely different) than the original. Jigglypuff is a good example of a semi-clone taken to the next level. Luigi is a good example of how a clone can become something more, he is just vaguely reminiscent of his counter-part. Roy and Marth's sword mechanics accented each-other perfectly. I believe Falco had the exact same move-set as Fox, but through the different properties attributed to each move, they play nothing alike. Ganondorf was the antithesis of Captain Falcon. Pichu actually had the MOST unique mechanic in Smash history. So on and so forth.
That, to me, is more interesting than a character with an entirely new move-set. It is great to have characters that offer an entirely different play-style or mechanic; however, I prefer that the character has an established move-set turned unique over a newcomer that just happens to have a non-cloned move-set. I am looking at characters like Greninja.
It is better to have two characters that contrast each-other in the most beautiful of ways than to have two unrelated characters that feel similar to other cast members. Again, looking at you Greninja.
I have nothing against Greninja, by the way. He is just such an easy example of a character with a different move-set that offers barely anything new or interesting. This game, Smash 4, did a great job of diversifying the cast. I adamantly believe that this is the best newcomer roster because of such. I do not give half a **** about the characters in the game (I can say that with little difficulty because I literally got all of my wanted characters minus Black Shadow anyways).
I have no idea why I rambled so long about this. It is not even relevant in the grand scheme of things, clones ARE in the game, they DO offer something unique, and I like them more than I like regular characters. Everyone else can cry me a salty river and deal with it.
These, these my homies still.
They're not impossible to please.
It doesn't matter what decisions Sakurai makes, he'll inevitably get some hatred from them, save for the few very logical decisions(removing random tripping) he sometimes does.
Of course. Nobody is perfect, after all.
When I first saw Guar Plains and heard that song, I knew I was going to play a game with a massive adventure. Don't worry, there are more amazing areas to see. Just wait until you get to Satorl Marsh... at night.
The Year of Luigi will never end...You tell me...
You don't say.
Hey Sakurai, guess which two series needed more representation in Smash?
It's about time they started treating Pikachu like one of their main mascots now. According to this image, he's more recognizable than Mario.
I'm fine with Lucina on the roster. I mean, she at least has some popularity to back her up (number one female in Awakening according to a poll).Lucina is a tricky situation.
Because they could not as little as get her fighting stance right, and being a clone, I can't give her anything more than 4/10. Unlike Dark Pit, I actually like her a lot as a character, so she gets some points. If they got some aspects about her appearance right, but she was still a clone, I would be willing to bump that up to 6/10.
"But they can't! She can't have her fighting style because it won't work with Marth's animation."
THEN DON'T MAKE THE CHARACTER!
Maybe they could have dropped two of the clones and Toon Link to make Lucina not copying Marth's idle animations and stuff and being like "IT'S HER DNA!
No, that's loud Smash fans. The general consensus is that most people don't really care.
If you knew anything about this fanbase you would know that's 100% not true.
My point is that people clamoring for all of said characters are not a minority; they are in fact the majority of the fanbase; it is a minority who is vocal about it, as with all social groups.
The Pokemon models are ripped from XY and nobody complains.
There's also only 4 Pokemon models in Smash Run compared to the 15 or so from KI:U, arguably.
When you have one of the most atrocious, demanding, and immature fanbases, it's not enjoyable.
But them Pokeballs! Sakurai is biased for putting all those Pokémon in the game.
They would have just been spoiled by the people on here.
Scenario assumes they were not because their parents didn't let them use the internet.
Yeah. It won't be the first time, and it certainly won't be the last, so long as Smash continues to have fans coming from all over the spectrum of fandoms. As it is, Smash 4's roster is a very solid roster, like the others before it: It has characters that got in through popularity, characters that got in through potential, characters that got in because people expected them, oddball characters that got in because no one expected them, and characters who ultimately didn't get in, either because they weren't considered, because they weren't unique enough, or because they couldn't be implemented. Heck, we even have one character who went the mile and came back after being passed for one installment. That's how Smash has been through all the years. It evolves, discards and draws from Nintendo's franchises and only some fighters (like the Original 12 f. ex.) would be considered shoe-ins for the series. And with 51 (49) options for playable fighters & custom options, There's something for just about anyone to pick up and love.
So what you're essentially saying is, it is impossible to create a character that satisfies the fanbase and your creativity?
You're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that making a character playable just because the fans want the character playable is not something a developer should do.
That's why he shouldn't do that.
True, we shouldn't have characters in the game just on popularity alone. Otherwise, we'd be getting characters like Goku and Shrek.
Yeah, an assist item with a slew of assists from only one franchise. Other series only get two or three characters at max and are all lumped together as an original item. What a travesty.But them Pokeballs! Sakurai is biased for putting all those Pokémon in the game.
His point is that a developer shouldn't solely focus on requested/popular characters.
That's the thing. Sakurai does not only look at the popularity factor when he chooses playable characters: He looks at what they can give as playable characters to Smash as well. It's why you're bound to see fans of just about any character and how they play as in Smash. This uniqueness is what separates the characters from each other and allows them to stand out from the rest of their playable peers. Even a tiny change in a property could make for a different experience with a character. Sakurai understands that the way a character feels and plays will make the difference between enjoyment and boredom. And I give props to Sakurai for making such a huge roster of characters stand out from each other.
It's not impossible, no. I'd say however that it would be hard to give those characters an established niché that other characters do have and some of them have bigger potential as NPCs than they'd have as playable fighters. I think Sakurai understands that as well.
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Aw, this is what we need more of- funny pictures poking fun at Chrom! We need more!Found this.
Pretty much this, especially considering that there are two versions of the game on different systems, which will vary in price.There was a quote in an old thread that was perfectly in line with what I'm trying to say, however much more elegantly, but I cannot find it.
My issue is, yes , people overreact to the roster, but similar, people also overreact to people overreacting to the roster.
Or even worse, they treat people who didn't get what they asked for like heathens or spoiled children.
When really, they just don't want to spend 60$ on a game they aren't happy with.
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