Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[Deleted member]

I just noticed: Robin's holding the Thunder tome in that clip. Could his pummel also change depending on his current tome?

As @ Mr. Johan pointed out, it seems that Robin's pummel actually goes through all of her tome elements except for fire.

The purple coloration at the beginning represents her Dark Tome (Nosferatu), the Sparks represent her Thunder tomes, and the miniature Tornado represents her wind tome.

 

[someonetookjacob]

Yes he does get hit, but when that happens he is already at the very tip of the flame, and this isn't the only occasion that shows arcfire.

You can see here that Shiek is slowly pushed out of the flame, so i guess the most likely thing to happen would be them getting send flying when they break free from it. It SHOULD give you more than enough time to run in and do a throw though. Or charge up to ArcThunder. Or get that Levin-Sword out for some smashin'.

Too bad there is nothing hinting at a floating mechanic like peach has it (only shorter/weaker)...it would explain how to rescue yourself when your ElWind charges run out. Also in the games airmagic also has that "flying" subeffect.

hmm... if by "flying subeffect" you mean wind magic is super effective against flying foes, yes. It does not let you fly though.

EDIT: I too hope Robin gets a float though!!

 

[mimgrim]

I just noticed: Robin's holding the Thunder tome in that clip. Could his pummel also change depending on his current tome?

As pointed out by @ Mr. Johan

In the pummel you can see a lighting hit, dark hit, and wind hit, so it stands to reason that if he had done another pummel he would have done a fire hit. So it probably isn't affected by the tome.

 

[Skyblade12]

If Kirby swallows Robin, will Kirby get breakable tomes too? I can't really imagine Kirby walking around carrying a book all the time.

 

[Deleted member]

If Kirby swallows Robin, will Kirby get breakable tomes too?

Historically Kirby has only gained the ability to use the Neutral B move of the character he swallows, so in a sense, yes, however the tome would be limited to the Thunder tome line only.

 

[Skyblade12]

Historically Kirby has only gained the ability to use the Neutral B move of the character he swallows, so in a sense, yes, however the tome would be limited to the Thunder tome line only.

Ok, but is he going to carry it around constantly, as part of his "Robin hat"? Will Kirby have to learn to manage tomes as well? It seems like it's going to complicate the copy game some, as well as make for an interesting new image for Kirby when copying Robin (bookworm Kirby!).

 

[mimgrim]

I doubt Kirby's Thunder tome would be breakable.

 

[Skyblade12]

I doubt Kirby's Thunder tome would be breakable.

In which case, would that change the balance game of Robin-Kirby, by letting him spam Thunder, and how would that have to be adjusted for?

 

[mimgrim]

It would probably be weakened some for Kirby.

Kinda like Olimar Kirby's Pikmin being worse the vanilla Olimar's.

 

[Chaos Archangel]

I dunno if this was mentioned (didn't see it when reading through the comments) but it's confirmed that his tomes DO regenerate overtime.

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But as it turns out, Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS director Masahiro Sakurai did actually mention that Robin's limited-use moves would regnerate over time, in the same issue of Famitsu; it was mentioned in a column he wrote for the magazine, separate from the 4-page spread.



Sakurai wrote in his Famitsu column, as translated by NeoGAF user Masked Men:

"I also implemented the system used in FE:A, in which tomes break after overuse. Likewise, I included a similar system for the Levin Sword, which breaks after a certain number of uses. However, both the tomes and the Levin Sword will quickly regenerate after a set period of time."

Sakurai also explains the rationale behind his decision in picking Robin and Lucina from Fire Emblem:Awakening to introduce into the new Smash Bros. instead of Chrom (who only appears during Robin's Final Smash attack).

"I played all the way through FE:A and really wanted to include a character from that rich cast in Smash Bros. Naturally, I considered adding Chrom to the roster, but the decision wasn't easy by any means.

"At the end of the day, Chrom would just end up being another plain-old sword-wielder like Marth and Ike. Compared with other characters, he lacks any unique characteristics.

"Conversely, when the idea of including Robin came to mind, conceiving the character was so easy that I immediately saw how it would work. From standards to specials, grabs to throws, all aspects of his moveset just fell into place. Not only did he possess characteristics unlike other fighters, but he also captured the essence of the Fire Emblem series. It was perfect!

"In the end, if a game isn't fun, then there's no point. Of course, it would be really easy to make a game by churning out a ton of similar characters, but that's not how I produce games."

 

[shrooby]

Just noticed that the Robin general discussion thread is the largest confirmed character thread in the SSB4 subforum.

...Good job, everyone.

It's only because waifus are such a popular subject.

 

[Mocha]

Came into the game thinking I'd only main one character (and still use others for fun), but now I'm torn by so many exciting chars, Robin among them. I just love the whole concept of using magic and swordsmanship for a character. It feels fresh, and his move-set has to be one of the most unique ones I've seen so far. As someone mentioned, both Robin and Rosalina look like they might have quite a challenging learning curve, but it makes them all the more interesting.

Really looking forward to seeing how Robin turns out (:

 

[.Shìkì]

Another thought just crossed my mind : IF the last hit of the jab-combo really depends on the tome Robin is currently holding, what will ElWind do on the ground? Because i don't think using an attack that hits nobody and propels you into the air leaving you vulnerable is a good designchoice for switching to windtome...

I can see one of 3 things happening:

#1 Robin fires a cross-shaped ElWind in the direction he is facing. I'd say that is the most unlikely one: For one it would be another spell with good range, and also the other ground-activatable UP+B's (i mean those like the Up-B from Link, Donkey Kong, Bowser) all hit both directions which is why i considered

#2 Robin fires one ElWind in front and one behind him. But this STILL would be ranged (and i think it looks akward from an aesthetical standpoint), which is where my third idea comes in:

#3 Robin circles the two wind-blades from ElWind around him hitting people standing left/right beside him 1 time (or 1 time per blade for a total of 2).

Opinions?

 

[Hokori]

I dunno if this was mentioned (didn't see it when reading through the comments) but it's confirmed that his tomes DO regenerate overtime.

---

But as it turns out, Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS director Masahiro Sakurai did actually mention that Robin's limited-use moves would regnerate over time, in the same issue of Famitsu; it was mentioned in a column he wrote for the magazine, separate from the 4-page spread.



Sakurai wrote in his Famitsu column, as translated by NeoGAF user Masked Men:

"I also implemented the system used in FE:A, in which tomes break after overuse. Likewise, I included a similar system for the Levin Sword, which breaks after a certain number of uses. However, both the tomes and the Levin Sword will quickly regenerate after a set period of time."

Sakurai also explains the rationale behind his decision in picking Robin and Lucina from Fire Emblem:Awakening to introduce into the new Smash Bros. instead of Chrom (who only appears during Robin's Final Smash attack).

"I played all the way through FE:A and really wanted to include a character from that rich cast in Smash Bros. Naturally, I considered adding Chrom to the roster, but the decision wasn't easy by any means.

"At the end of the day, Chrom would just end up being another plain-old sword-wielder like Marth and Ike. Compared with other characters, he lacks any unique characteristics.

"Conversely, when the idea of including Robin came to mind, conceiving the character was so easy that I immediately saw how it would work. From standards to specials, grabs to throws, all aspects of his moveset just fell into place. Not only did he possess characteristics unlike other fighters, but he also captured the essence of the Fire Emblem series. It was perfect!

"In the end, if a game isn't fun, then there's no point. Of course, it would be really easy to make a game by churning out a ton of similar characters, but that's not how I produce games."

Yeah, it has been brought up a couple of times and I believe I included a portion of it in the OP. No harm in reiterating though.

 

[Reila]

Just noticed that the Robin general discussion thread is the largest confirmed character thread in the SSB4 subforum.

...Good job, everyone.

Fortunately (yes), this won't last for long. Just you wait for Ridley's announcement...

 

[someonetookjacob]

Another thought just crossed my mind : IF the last hit of the jab-combo really depends on the tome Robin is currently holding, what will ElWind do on the ground? Because i don't think using an attack that hits nobody and propels you into the air leaving you vulnerable is a good designchoice for switching to windtome...

I can see one of 3 things happening:

#1 Robin fires a cross-shaped ElWind in the direction he is facing. I'd say that is the most unlikely one: For one it would be another spell with good range, and also the other ground-activatable UP+B's (i mean those like the Up-B from Link, Donkey Kong, Bowser) all hit both directions which is why i considered

#2 Robin fires one ElWind in front and one behind him. But this STILL would be ranged (and i think it looks akward from an aesthetical standpoint), which is where my third idea comes in:

#3 Robin circles the two wind-blades from ElWind around him hitting people standing left/right beside him 1 time (or 1 time per blade for a total of 2).

Opinions?

I guess I was leaning towards option one or two, but I see what you are saying and think that option three does sound good!

My personal guess is option 1, I imagine it will be different enough from thunder because the wind blade will be much wider (i think its event taller than Robin?) and thus unavoidable with a short hop, or by ducking. It could maybe also have increased knock back against airborne opponents (just like elwind would have in the game)

 

[RunawayPanda]

I guess I was leaning towards option one or two, but I see what you are saying and think that option three does sound good!

My personal guess is option 1, I imagine it will be different enough from thunder because the wind blade will be much wider (i think its event taller than Robin?) and thus unavoidable with a short hop, or by ducking. It could maybe also have increased knock back against airborne opponents (just like elwind would have in the game)

I agree option one seems to make the most sense

 

[Mr. Johan]

>1,053 posts since the moment of Robin's reveal three days ago.

This is incredible.

 

[shrooby]

Fortunately (yes), this won't last for long. Just you wait for Ridley's announcement...

But in that case nobody would be able to make any posts because Smashboards will have crashed indefinitely.

 

[Reila]

But in that case nobody would be able to make any posts because Smashboards will have crashed indefinitely.

We better enjoy our last few weeks here, then

 

[Gamegenie222]

Fortunately (yes), this won't last for long. Just you wait for Ridley's announcement...

If that happens the sun will turn black along with the sky and smashboards will crash with logic going outta the window for every smash based fourm or thread from thenceforward.

 

[Minato Arisato]

I'm actually indifferent to Ridley's inclusion. If he gets in, fantastic. If not, it doesn't really matter to me.

All I know is, I want to see his fans happy. Because they'll be so noisy and ecstatic and I want that to spread like wildfire.

 

[Reila]

I'm actually indifferent to Ridley's inclusion. If he gets in, fantastic. If not, it doesn't really matter to me.

All I know is, I want to see his fans happy. Because they'll be so noisy and ecstatic and I want that to spread like wildfire.

Thanks for the support, I guess.

 

[TechPowah]

On Villager vs. Arcfire: I'm pretty-really-very sure Villager naturally has armor when he's on the Loid Rocket, so that instance was because of Villager no selling the first couple hits rather than Arcfire not having flinch properties.

 

[Delzethin]

So there's been a some concern over whether Robin is wide open during Elwind.

Well...if you look at a couple points in the clip, there're a couple brief moments right as Robin summons the wind blades where the trail behind them covers him.

You can see it easier here.

It might just be a visual effect...or it might mean there are at least a couple points during the move where a hitbox covers Robin.

On Villager vs. Arcfire: I'm pretty-really-very sure Villager naturally has armor when he's on the Loid Rocket, so that instance was because of Villager no selling the first couple hits rather than Arcfire not having flinch properties.

Yeah, it looks like the Lloid Rocket gives him armor up to a certain point in the move. Maybe in-universe he tried to get over Arcfire with it and failed? >_>

 

[AustarusIV]

I'm thinking of compiling a list of confession quotes for each Smasher regarding Robin. I only made one so far (Ridley, who's only a potential candidate), but now I'm yearning to create more.

EDIT: Here's one so far:

Mario

Spoiler

"Yahoo! You've-a-made me the luckiest man in the whole world! Just think of all the adventures we can take together, as heroes!"

 

[.Shìkì]

So there's been a some concern over whether Robin is wide open during Elwind.

Well...if you look at a couple points in the clip, there're a couple brief moments right as Robin summons the wind blades where the trail behind them covers him.

You can see it easier here.

It might just be a visual effect...or it might mean there are at least a couple points during the move where a hitbox covers Robin.


Yeah, it looks like the Lloid Rocket gives him armor up to a certain point in the move. Maybe in-universe he tried to get over Arcfire with it and failed? >_>

If you referred to my post, it was not generally being open during ElWind but ElWind leaving you relatively vulnerable to a variety of things while not hitting anything if it isn't different when being used on the ground. I simply meant that'd be a pretty bad requirement to go into the wind tome.

If you referred to another post, well... duh. Ignore this.

 

[ToothiestAura]

I doubt Kirby's Thunder tome would be breakable.

Well, maybe. Since Robin seems to have some properties of Project M Ivysaur (a grablike move that steals health and a powerful, piercing, long range charge beam) Robin's Kirby hat may get something like Ivy's. Kirby's Ivy hat gets limited uses, so maybe Kirby's Robin hat can too. Of course, these comparisons to PM Ivysaur are likely coincidental.

Or, perhaps, Kirby will only get the currently charged spell.

 

[Ragna22]

Well I guess the Project M Ivysaur players will like this.

Anyway I remember one of the scans said something about how this move gives Robin even more health if he uses the attack behind the opponent.

 

[ToothiestAura]

Well I guess the Project M Ivysaur players will like this.

Anyway I remember one of the scans said something about how this move gives Robin even more health if he uses the attack behind the opponent.

Yes, that's a cool touch. I suppose that represents Dark Magic with a back stab. Evil and all that.

 

[WakerofWinds]

Well, maybe. Since Robin seems to have some properties of Project M Ivysaur (a grablike move that steals health and a powerful, piercing, long range charge beam) Robin's Kirby hat may get something like Ivy's. Kirby's Ivy hat gets limited uses, so maybe Kirby's Robin hat can too. Of course, these comparisons to PM Ivysaur are likely coincidental.

Or, perhaps, Kirby will only get the currently charged spell.

Nintendo didn't make PM, unfortunately. I think the better comparison is Olimar, myself, but you could be right.

 

[WakerofWinds]

How many of you, if any, are planning on getting the 3DS version? Of those getting the 3DS version, are any of you going to be getting it on day 1?

 

[Reila]

How many of you, if any, are planning on getting the 3DS version? Of those getting the 3DS version, are any of you going to be getting it on day 1?

Me! I am getting solely the 3DS version actually and yes, possibly on day one.

 

[mimgrim]

I plan on pre-ordering the 3DS version next weekend.

I am going to ask for the Wii-U version for Christmas, the GC Adapter/Controller bundle to be exact.

 

[Unicorn]

How many of you, if any, are planning on getting the 3DS version? Of those getting the 3DS version, are any of you going to be getting it on day 1?

Me! I will be buying day 1 and probably an Amiibo or two also if they are available.

 

[Baws]

So much Blue.

Inb4 you can customize Robin's hair color.

6/6 for Blue haired Fire Emblem Reps.
(Because Chrom is still "sorta" in the game)

Wish they added Cordelia just so that you'd see that stupidly obvious contrast

Both Robins' natural hair colors are actually blue. They just bleached their hair. Big time.

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

I never even realised that Arcfire deals knockback. Maybe it can be combo'd out of after all. Either way, it looks like it'll be a very good move for halting approaches.

 

[Stalwartguardian]

I'm getting the 3DS version. If only the stores in my area stocked enough copies for me to actually get it on day 1. Who knows, maybe I'll pre-order, or maybe I'll get lucky.

 

[shrooby]

I'm thinking of compiling a list of confession quotes for each Smasher regarding Robin. I only made one so far (Ridley, who's only a potential candidate), but now I'm yearning to create more.

EDIT: Here's one so far:

Mario

Spoiler

"Yahoo! You've-a-made me the luckiest man in the whole world! Just think of all the adventures we can take together, as heroes!"

Link
"HYAH! ... SHAH...hyah..."

 

[ORVO5]

Well, maybe. Since Robin seems to have some properties of Project M Ivysaur (a grablike move that steals health and a powerful, piercing, long range charge beam) Robin's Kirby hat may get something like Ivy's. Kirby's Ivy hat gets limited uses, so maybe Kirby's Robin hat can too. Of course, these comparisons to PM Ivysaur are likely coincidental.

Or, perhaps, Kirby will only get the currently charged spell.

I honestly think it'll just be a simple Thunder without being able to charge to Thoron. That might be too OP? Then again Kirby does get Samus' full charge shot so..