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~ The Wolf Matchup Center! Now taking votes for next matchup, check the BBR MU chart!

Discussion in 'Wolf' started by Ishieymoro, Sep 17, 2010.

  1. Ishieymoro

    Ishieymoro We lived like kings

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    THE WOLF MATCHUP CENTER

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    Current Exports:
    :rob: (revisiting)




    Old Exports (that still need to be updated because I'm lazy...:
    :gw: :diddy: :dk2: :dedede: :fox: :ike:

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    TABLE OF CONTENTS:
    I – Intro (and lots of other important stuff too, just read it :3)
    II – Helpful information
    III – Matchup exports
    IV – Archive

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    I – INTRODUCTION

    Welcome to the Wolf Matchup Center! In here you can find links to various discussions on Wolf’s matchups against other characters in SSBB, along with links to current discussions. Before we get started however, there are a few important rules I’d like to throw out there (and yes, I WILL be enforcing these):

    IMPORTANT RULES:

    No really, they’re generally pretty important, but I guess most of them are givens. Either way, check them out if you have the time, and if not, well… just don’t do anything stupid.

    The MOST IMPORTANT RULE that deserves to take up actual space is rule #1. DON’T POST ABOUT MATCHUPS IN-DEPTH IN THIS THREAD, only talk about matchups in their respective exports. This thread can be used to POST EXPORTS FROM OTHER BOARDS, as well as discuss which characters you’d like to see next and other general suggestions on stuff to do for this project, pictures to use in exports, etc.


    Awesome. So now that we have those down, let me go a bit more into detail about how the matchups will be run (aka FORMAT):

    I’m aiming to have about three matchups active at a time. Once it looks like there’s a general consensus on a matchup, I’ll open up another matchup for discussion. The previous matchup isn’t going to be closed though, and I encourage everyone to continue discussion until there’s really nothing left to say. However, if you have a small question on a matchup but the discussion is already taken care of, take it to the Social/Q&A thread (yes, we actually answer questions there lol) since bumping matchup discussions usually doesn’t end well from what I’ve seen :x

    Each individual export will start off kinda like this (initial idea taken from JayDeath on the Bowser boards, but idk anymore lol, whatever):

    Character
    Current Ratio:
    Annoying Moves:
    Killing:
    Zoning:
    Chaingrabs/Tilt Locks/Grab Releases:
    What To Do Offstage:
    Stages
    - Strike:
    - Ban:
    - Pick:
    MU Tricksies:
    Synopsis and Quotes:


    And last but not least: WHAT THE **** DO THESE NUMBERS EVEN MEAN?!?!?!?!

    Well, the BBR came out with a new way of organizing MUs. Seen in the OP in this thread.

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    II – HELPFUL INFORMATION

    This section is basically here to make sure that everyone can check out important stats like airspeed and frame data, along with some basic information about Wolf and a few helpful tricks that he may/may not have on other characters.


    THREADS WITH GOOD INFORMATION:

    - Frame Data Directory

    - Internal Character Mechanics Values

    - Wolf tips/tricks against various characters

    - Maybe some other stuff in this thread that you can find in tactical, idk.


    BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT WOLF: (really basic stuff, skip if you... know the character. lol)


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    III – THE EXPORTS

    Yep. Current exports are listed at the top, conveniently hyperlinked via character icon :3


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    IV – THE ARCHIVE

    This is where you can take a look at all of our old matchup material, if you ever want to check it out for whatever reason :p

    - Wolf Matchup Thread (old, started 6/15/2009)

    - Wolf Matchup Thread (very old, started 8/12/2008)

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    ANNOUNCEMENTS:

    Man I'm lazy. Currently reformatting the layout for exports.

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  2. Gheb_01

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    I think for the ratios it would be best to take the "out of ten" system because it has more practical application than any other ratio and it's the most useful one out there. The rest is too arbitrary to be useful and can be misleading, especially the distinction between stuff like 60/40 and 55/45.

    As for characters I think D3 is very important to discuss for high tier and I would be in favour of discussing it first.

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    Valiant attempt. Can the Woffles behave? To be continued...
    High tiers have priority obviously, d3 sounds good to me
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    That picture of wolf is my sig, but without the chilli. I'm suing for copywrite infringement.
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    Since we usually start from Mk and move down, lets go from Ganon and move up for once. :bee:
  6. Ishieymoro

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    One character from each section of the tier list at a time guys :p I figure that if we start with low tiers there probably won't be great discussion at first (setting a bad precedent for future discussions), and if we start with high tiers people won't be as interested in the later discussions (making them crappier than they should be).

    Also, one matchup from each "tier" with three total at a time allows people to focus more on the matchup they're most knowledgeable about, avoiding crap posts in the others and allowing a higher ratio of other input to Wolf main input (the latter of which is something we really needed help with last time). I want to try and give each person a matchup that they can actually contribute to every cycle, y'know? Or am I going about this the wrong way xD

    Anyways, seems like D3 is a popular choice for the high tier discussion, that sounds like a good idea. Any suggestions for mid/low tier characters?

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    Ganondorf, obviously. I find the notion that Wolf beats him 80/20 instead of 70:30 utterly PREPOSTEROUS.
    but yeah for the sake of whatever
    ill just say Fox for midtier and mario for lowtier
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    Fox for Mid-tier and Ike for Low-tier.
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    fox and ike have been getting more Rep/results as of late so those two seem like a good idea.

    i still need help with the ROB match up but at this point i think fox would probably be a wiser discussion
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    Okay, DeDeDe Fox and Ike it is :3 Post good pictures if you have any, since all the ones I find suck.

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    The Fox pics should be the WolfxFox pics. :p
  13. Ishieymoro

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    Slightly more bamf pictures for Fox please, no furry action either :p Also, expect the exports to be up late tonight once my computer stops lagging and I finish my matlab homework.

    @Gheb: It's not that I'm against matchups out of ten, but I feel like a lot of matchups for us will fall between 5:5 and 4:6 either way... and when there's already a small guide on what the numbers mean (as well as most people used to the 5-point splits) I just figured it would be more familiar and convenient :x

    @Gah: It's the only decent picture I could find on google in like 1 minute X_x Forgive me <3

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  14. satowolf

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    Are we still doing pics?
    And yay! A new Matchup Thread :D


    ^i can edit that xP
    (has more pics)

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    Omg Misato, pleasepleaseplease edit that (words + maybe finger too? Not so sure about how okay that is either :x) so I can post it for the Fox export xD Beautiful haha

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    satowolf Oppa Gundam Style

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    Lol okay :D
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    I like it the way it is :p

    and the Ike pic looks pretty B-A
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    Me too. xD

    Actually, the finger might be okay. Nintendo let Wolf get away with doing it in the game, after all.
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    lol wolf, i always chalked that up to him being old and crippled with arthritis so his middle finger was all wonky in the cutscene.
    he's an old grey muzzle
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    I like it the way it is too, but rules are rules... you know how it is :<

    Let me check the status of the finger, I've seen worse/more suggestive things posted on SWF >_>

    EDIT: Yeah, E-rated community. Although I don't see what censor bars really solve, guess both have to be taken care of :(

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    i still don't get this thread O_O
  22. Ishieymoro

    Ishieymoro We lived like kings

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    What about it don't you get? O.o

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    well there was a lot of text so i never actually read through it. O_O


    NEEDS MOAR PICTURES!
  24. Ishieymoro

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    Yep, knew that was going to happen lol. I'll get to that later, but most of the text isn't anything special, I just wanted to make things clear which results in a lot of words, hence all the collapse tags :p

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    Can we do the ICs after DDD? I have trouble with that matchup >.>
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    Works for me, any other suggestions for the next wave of characters?

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    i support that. lets talk about pikachu vs wolf. i've been doing quite a bit of research vs pikachu and i wanna know what you guys know too.
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    meta knnnnnnniggit
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    i guess that match up is kinda important.
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    wolf punishing video would be da bess

    nobody likes reading
  31. vVv Choice

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    i like reading
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    i like pretty girls


    but pictures says a 1000 words and videos says a 1000000 words


    think about it. you can describe how pretty a girl is, but people still won't know what she looks like.
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    This is true.
    Same (but not books). I hate reading books.
    Someone make the replays and I'll record and upload to my channel immediately.
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    Let's try keeping this thread more on-topic :p

    So IC/Pikachu/MK for high tiers, which one do you guys want to tackle first? Mid-tier wise I want to cover Peach or Luigi, and for low I'm thinking Lucas.

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    High=Falco.
    Mid=Fox.
    Low=L00cas.
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    High: ICs
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    High: Pikachu
    Mid: DK
    Low: Wolf (ditto)
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    i like how you gave 3 high tiers to pick from and falco somehow snuck his way in.

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