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The Evil Minish Vaati is reborn for SSB4!-Sign the Petition to Add Vaati to Hyrule Warriors!

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Petition to add Vaati into Hyrule Warriors!
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-m...riors-that-adds-vaati-as-a-playable-character


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Vaati is reoccuring enough to fit into Smash 4.
He has appeared in three distinct Zelda games: TLOZ: The Minish Cap, TLOZ: Four Swords, and TLOZ: Four Swords Adventures , so he is the only recurring boss besides Ganondorf

Ideas:
Universe: The Legend Of Zelda (obviously)
Height - Same as Toon Link
Weight - Light, around Toon Link's height
Speed - Medium
Range - Long (because of his magic spells and wind attacks)
Knockback - Moderate
Movesets
[COLLAPSE="Really Shy Guy's Moveset"]In his moveset he should use his own dark magic moves, somewhat like a mix up of Zelda and Ganondorf's attacks. Bonus, wind attacks, allas, he is the wind mage!!!


He could use a unique property: The curse system! it's acts very similiar to a Lip's Stick. It will do not do instantly damage, instead, it will put a curse on the opponent and it will do a limited damage amount, depending of the attack. It's a very interesting property. Questions?
Example: Suposing that an attack will normally does 20% damage, it will not give 20% directly, instead it will give the knockback and put the curse. It will raise the opponet "%" until it's add 20% damage. You don't need to wait! While the opponent is on curse, you can attack again, this will add another curse adding more damage quicker.

Strong Attacks: Most of his ground attacks will use the curse system.

Neutral - Cursed Touch
His neutal is a one hit move. Vaati will simply put his hand in front of him and put a curse on the opponent. Very low knockback, but it's easy to hit another move after it.

Strong Foward - Cursed Double Touch
Same as neutral, with the curse too, but he will put both hands. It's slower but the curse consumes more damage and have moderate knockback.

Strong Down - Ground Shock
Vaati will put a hand on the ground in his front and a dark shockwave will comes. Quickly and with vertical knockback.

Strong Up - Wind Blow
He will put his hands up and releases a wind blast. Low Knockback and this attack will not put the curse effect, it will simply do normal damage. If the opponent is not next to the initial blow, it will don't do damage and it will blow opponents up, very similiar to Mr. Game & Watch's Up aerial.



Aerials - He will use more "wind attacks" on his aerials.

Neutral Air - Cyclone Dance
Makes a cyclone around him. A multihit move that can push opponents to the attack. Good for comboing.

Foward Air - Wind Whirl
Put his hands in front of him with a small whirlwind in hit. Another multihit with a push effect, but the push is to trap opponents in the attack.

Back Air - Cursed Shock
Vaati will put both his hand behind him and will release a cursed blast with a shock effect. The only aerial to use his curse system. Slow start up. It's his strongest aerial in terms of knockback.

Down aerial - Wind Thunder
A stall-then-fall. Vaati will stop in air with a cross like pose and will just falls down very very quicly because of wind pushing him. It will send opponents up, and it cannot meteor KO like Toon Link's down aerial.. Althought it's use wind, it will not push or blow opponets, at least until touching the ground, then it will make a small blow on opponents to the side.
Note: It's called Wind Thunder because of Vaati falling straight down with high speed.

Up aerial - Wind Push
Like his Strong Up, but instead of blowing opponents up, it will push his opponents down. If the opponent is already near the tip of his hands when the attacks comes up, it will be a meteor attack with moredate knockback. Hard to connect the sweetspot.


Smash Attacks:

Foward Smash - Spinning Wind Mage
Vaati will move forwards while spinnig in wind. It will trap the opponent like a Hyrule Castle's cyclone. Has great range, and a moredate, but random knockback. The opponent could be launched in various angles, but not down; still can be a semispike in rare occasions.

Down Smash - Cursed Blast
Cross his arms in a "X" appointing his fingers in the ground, then it will release a powerfull magic blast in the ground on both sides at the same time. Sends opponents in the opposite direction the attack hits. For example: if the opponent is hit on the left side, he will be launched to the right, and vice-versa.

Up Smash - Wind Bomb
He will put one of his hands above him, not directly above, but slight on his front. While Charging, instead of making the attack stronger, it will simply push opponents into the hand, and then it wil explodes in wind power, sending opponents in the direction that the hand is pointing.



Specials:
Neutral B - Curse Sphere
Release a medium traveling sphere in front of him, and it will go a distance of a non-charged Toon Link's arrow. If someone touch it before it touches the ground will get "cursed". If no one touches, it will stick to the ground and become a spike ball, like a unira, but it will disappear on the first touch. The spikeball will not hurt Vaati.

Foward B - Cursed Reflector:
He will put a hand in front of him makind a purple small arch shield. A unique reflector to the series. Vaati should reflect projectiles and at the same time absorb them (if they can be absorbed). But he will only absorb a little of damage, less than Ness and Lucas's PSI Magnets and the reflected attack will come slowy and with less power and knockback.

Down B - Shape Shifting
He will make a aura hand that he can control in the stage, and the first person it touches, Vaati will impersonate that person! YEAH! He will transform and use the other characters's movesets! It last 15 seconds and when time ends he will be back to normal like Zelda's Transform, but quicker, and he will be in helpless state. He will be very vulnerable on this attack because he can't quicly cancel it and the hand moves very slow. Better used on close ranges. If vaati grabs a smash ball while impersonating another person, he will instantly transform to normal and will cannot use this move until the Final Smash is released.
Note: I really exagerated on that one, but I can dream!

Up B - Rising Cyclone
Causes a cyclone that moves him up in a very quick fashion style. If someone touches it, it will be like a cyclone on Hyrule Castle stage, blowing players upwards, altought it will be a very less powerfull blow.

Grabs and Throws:
His grab will use a wind push to make easy to grab other people.

Pummel: Every pummel puts a small curse that will only start after releasing or throwing the opponent.

Throws: Wind Compass
All his throws are exactly the same, the only thing that will change will be the direction the opponent will be launched

Final Smash - Vaati Reborn:

Transform on Reborn form and unleashes four small eyes, then the eyes should shoots red lasers doing damage to opponets until Vaati's main body eye opens, unleashing another, more powerfull laser. Standing near Vaati is a One-Hit KO.

Taunts
Taunt 1: Makes a sinister smile while his eye glows red

Taunt 2: Laughs intensely

Taunt 3: Stands on a fashion pose while a small wind moves his cape.[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="SmashShadow's Moveset"]
Neutral Special - Warlocks Pyre:
You press B and Vaati starts charging fire in his hand and press it again to fire a fireball that moves in a straight horizontal line. You can reserve this moves charge for later by finishing the charge completely or dodging out of the attack.
Charge Lv.1: does 6% sends out a small fireball with little to no knockback and short range
Charge Lv.2: does 11% sends out a faster medium sized fireball with medium to little knockback with descent range
Charge Lv.3: does 18% sends out a a large sized fireball with large knockback and good range.
Charge Lv.4: does 25% sends out a ball of lightning that moves extremely quick(slightly faster than a fully charged charge shot by Samus) and has large knockback as well as range.
(Based off Wrath "Minish Cap", Reborn "Minish Cap" & Bat Form "Four Swords")




Down Special - Shadow Barb:
Throws a purple spike an extremely short distance that stays on the ground for 5 seconds before disappearing. Any player that runs into or falls on it will take damage much like the spikes in Brawl cause. The spikes each have 14HP before they are destroyed so other players can destroy them usually with a smash attack. He can have 2 of these on the stage at once before having to wait for one of his to be destroyed or vanish on its own before using this move again. (Based off Transfigured Form "Minish Cap") Does 7% damage a hit.
Up Special - Cyclone:
Creates a big cyclone beneath himself and rides it diagonally upwards. This attack picks up items as well as other players sucking them upwards. Though this attack does no damage it only leaves him semi-helpless and he can still use his A moves.
(Based off Bat Form "Four Swords Adventures" and 1st form "Four Swords" )

Down Special - Mage Ray:
He sends out a single orb on both sides of him slightly above his height. They both shoot directly downwards damaging any opponent below them. If used in the air he sends out only one directly above himself that shoots diagonally downward.
(Based off Reborn Form "Minish Cap") Does 10% damage

Final Smash: Vaati's Wrath
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[COLLAPSE="dimensionsword64's Moveset"]
So, here's a moveset. (I don't have names for the moves)
B: Shoots 3 balls of electricity. 1 upwards, and 1 to each side. Slight charging time.
Side B: Shoots 4 fireballs forward. Slight charging time.
Up B: Flies upwards on a tornado. Does knockback, but doesn't do damage.
Down B: Turns whoever is directly in front of Vaati into stone for a second. Allows Vaati to run away.
Final Smash: Turns into the giant monster form and flies around the stage shooting lazers. Automatic shooting like R.O.B.
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[collapse="Freduardo's Moverset"]
B Neutral: Fire Spin: Think of Zelda's Naryu's Love with a burning effect instead of a reflecting. goes above and below and adds some range from that move. Basically keeps people from getting close.
B Forward: Eye Minion: 4 Eye minions, each about 1/4 a Vaati tall, appear behind Vaati. They shoot four lasers forward.
B Down: Trap Cloud: Sends an electric purple cloud on the floor that moves forward. If someone gets hit by this, they get shocked and stunned.
B Up: Cyclone: Vaati soars upwards with a cyclone underneath, players that touch the cyclone flip and fall down,

A Attacks: Shadow aura: Vaati has a shadowy aura that surrounds him when he attacks, similar to the look of his trap clouds, so his animations are mostly him being still and basing his aura with minimal movement, e.g. a flick of the hand to make a giant slashing forward smash, snapping his fingers to have a the shadow look to crush the ground in a down smash. or just quickly dart forward with a jab.
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Design: Vaati appears in his human form from The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap. He wields a short sword, which is nothing special.

Series Symbol: The Legend of Zelda

Stats:

Speed: 4/5 (In terms of speed (and the rest of his attributes, for that matter), Vaati is a character of extremes. Vaati’s ground speed is kind of iffy, with a very slow walk speed and a very fast dash speed (not as fast as the likes of Charizard, Palutena, or Meta Knight, but up in the top 15). His air speed, however, is fantastic, second only to Yoshi and Jigglypuff. On the other hand, his falling speed is painfully slow, so once he gets into the air, he’s going to be there for a while.)
Strength: 1.6/5 (Vaati’s raw attack power is sorely lacking. His moves are simply pathetic in terms of damage, though their knockback is okay. However, virtually all of Vaati’s moves generate wind effects, pushing foes away even if the attack doesn’t directly hit. His Smash attacks, in particular, are essentially unavoidable due to the wind they generate. This means that the primary way he’s going to score KOs is to manipulate the wind to blow enemies off-screen. His aerials in general are also fairly strong, though not to the same extent as Jigglypuff, and he only has one midair jump, so he’s not exactly suited for Wall of Pain antics; he may have a great recovery, but he can’t go dancing about offstage like Jigglypuff, Meta Knight, or Kirby.)
Defense: 5/5 (Between his high movement speed and his penchant for wind techniques pushing enemies away from him, it can be frustratingly difficult to land a hit on Vaati. His very low falling speed does make him easy to juggle, and combined with his high, slow jumps, he can actually find it difficult to stay on the ground, but he can use his solid aerials to work around that.)
Weight: 2/5 (Vaati has the physique of a young child, so if he does get hit, he’s going to be sent reeling.)
Jump: 4.8/5 (Vaati has only one midair jump, like the majority of characters, but his jump height is second only to Falco. However, he doesn’t jump so much as lift himself upwards on the wind, so he ascends pretty slowly. This can work in his favor when trying to recover, but makes it hard for him to chase foes into the air or leap out of harm’s way. He also has a very low falling speed.)
Recovery: 5/5 (Vaati has the second-best jump height, the second-best air speed, a very slow falling speed, the ability to float like Peach, and a great up special. He can come back from pretty much anything short of being swatted directly into the blast line or meteor smashed out of his second jump. …Actually, his up special’s good enough that he can probably come back from a meteor smash, though he does have a longer-than-normal meteor cancel window so he doesn’t have it too easy.)
Special Movements: Float

Attributes (Detailed Summary):

Walking Speed: 0.905
Dashing Speed: 1.85
Air Speed: 1.25
Falling Speed (Maximum): 0.8
Falling Speed (Acceleration): 0.040
Falling Speed (Fast-Fall): 1.6 (100% increase)
Weight: 87
Jump Force (Ground):
Jump Force (Short Hop):
Jump Force (Double Jump):
Jump Delay (in frames): 8
Meteor Cancel Window (in frames): 40
Roll Length (in frames):
Roll Intangibility Frames:
Roll Distance:
Roll Speed:
Sidestep Length (in frames):
Sidestep Intangibility Frames:
Air Dodge Length (in frames):
Air Dodge Intangibility Frames:
Traction: ?

VAATI STIRS UP TROUBLE!

Vaati, the infamous wind mage, makes his glorious Smash debut! He moves fast on the ground and in the air, jumps high and falls slowly, and is even able to float like Princess Peach! What doesn’t he have? Well, his ability to take hits is kinda sub-par, and his attack power is just bad – he has very few moves capable of dealing double-digit damage. It’ll take him a horribly long time to rack up damage on his foes. But he has an ace up his sleeve that no other character possesses – the ability to manipulate the very wind itself. Almost every move in his arsenal generates a push or pull effect of some sort, letting Vaati toss his foes around like ragdolls without even having to touch them. This gives him both an aggravatingly hard-to-penetrate defensive game and some horrifically frightening KO moves. But he does have to fight carefully, as it’s far from impossible to fight the wind, and a foe who can manage to get to Vaati himself won’t have much trouble mopping the floor with him.

Equipment Used:

Offense: Sword, Magic Stone
Defense: Cape
Speed: Sandals

On-Screen Appearance: An altar on the stage with a sword embedded in it[MB1] cracks, then explodes into rubble as Vaati breaks loose from his seal. He very briefly stretches as though he had awoken from a long nap, then picks up the sword.

Special Attributes:

Dash: Vaati dashes by carrying himself along on the wind. This causes him to pull enemies behind him towards him, and push enemies in front of him away from him, while he dashes, similarly to Sonic’s Gravitational Spin Charge.
Roll: While rolling, Vaati generates push and pull effects that suck enemies towards the direction he’ll be facing after the roll.
Air Dodge: Vaati’s air dodge is slightly Melee-esque, taking away a little bit of his momentum if no direction is being input on the control stick. This can reduce knockback he sustains or slow his fall, but it can also end up reducing the height of his jumps or put a damper on his motion in midair. If a direction is being input on the Control Stick, Vaati uses a gust of wind to gently nudge himself in that direction, weakly simulating the directional air dodge of Melee (though differences between the physics of Melee and SSB4 prevents him from simulating the wavedash). Vaati does not become helpless after his air dodge, but it does have a bit more ending lag than any other air dodge in the game. Also, Vaati’s air dodge is only slightly Melee-esque; he doesn’t reset and redirect his midair momentum, like the air dodge in Melee did, he simply mitigates or amplifies the momentum he already has.

Basic Attacks:

Jab Combo:

Attack #1: Vaati swipes his sword for 2% damage. Foes a short distance away from Vaati will be pushed backwards a short distance.
Attack #2: Vaati executes a backhand slice, doing 3% damage. This generates a stronger push effect, but its range is still rather short.
Attack #3: Vaati thrusts his sword forward for 2% damage, generating a strong, but narrow push effect. The blade attack itself is a semi-spike, working in conjunction with the wind effect to make this attack a bit more dangerous than it would seem at first glance.
Jab infinite: Vaati holds his sword in front of him with the blade extended, and a strong wind billows forth from its hilt. The wind is equivalent in force and area of effect to Gust Bellows. Enemies who somehow make contact with the blade itself take 1% damage and are knocked directly into the wind vortex.
Jab finisher: Vaati executes an overhead chop, doing 3% damage. This generates a push effect with decent range that pushes foes downwards and away from Vaati, but only affects foes in front of him.

Jab Combo Commentary: Vaati’s penchant for push effects actually works against him here, as it makes it difficult for him to score consecutive hits. However, it does make his jab combo able to force foes away from Vaati, so it’s an effective spacing tool. Then again, so is nearly every other move he has.

Tilt Attacks:

Forward Tilt: Vaati forcefully swipes his sword, dealing 4% damage and knocking enemies away. He also generates a wind shockwave that has good range, does 1% damage, and has high knockback. The sword swipe is likely to knock enemies into the shockwave.
Up Tilt: Vaati pokes the air with his sword, dealing 4% damage and launching them straight up. Foes directly above Vaati will be pushed upwards a good distance, enough so to push them past the upper blast line if they’re already near the top of the screen.
Down Tilt: Vaati slowly floats up into the air, then suddenly slams himself down onto the ground, generating blasts of wind that practically fling characters to his left or right far, far away. Those unlucky (or, more likely, idiotic) enough to be caught directly underneath Vaati as he crashes down takes 18% damage – the single strongest hit in Vaati’s arsenal. However, this move’s startup-lag is very, very bad, even worse than Ganondorf’s Volcano Kick, which means that Vaati is wide open as he rises up into the air. Even if Vaati isn’t interrupted, however, he takes 2% damage as recoil from the force of his impact with the ground. Also, while the push effect’s horizontal range is immense, its vertical range is less so, reaching about 3/4ths as high as Palutena’s up-smash. This means that foes high above Vaati will be unaffected. It also doesn’t reach very far below Vaati, to the point where if Vaati uses this attack on the top platform of Battlefield, enemies on the left or right platforms can avoid being hurled away by the wind simply by crouching (unless they’re someone whose crouch doesn’t decrease the size of their hitbox very much; for example, Samus).

Dash Attack: Vaati suddenly blinks out of existence and reappears a short distance away, in the direction he was headed. Anyone caught in between the point where Vaati vanished and the point where he reappeared are flung in front of him by a magical sonic boom. If Vaati reappears on top of a foe, they take 6% damage and get launched up into the air; the knockback is technically strictly vertical, but they also get pushed a fair distance forward by the aforementioned sonic boom. Also, because this attack involves Vaati teleporting, he is completely intangible for a few frames during the warp.

Ledge Attack: Vaati gently pushes himself back onto the stage with a gust of wind. As he does so, a wave of purple spikes ripples along the ground[MB2] for a short distance, popping foes up into the air for 5% damage.

Rising Attack: Vaati launches himself into an upright position with a blast of wind, tackling foes directly in front of him for 4% damage and blowing foes behind him away with the force of the wind. The wind technically pushes enemies at a downward angle, but considering that this is exclusively a grounded attack, that’s unlikely to come into play.

Smash Attacks:

Forward Smash: Vaati performs a roundhouse sword slice, putting all the effort he can muster into the swing. The sword slice itself does 8%-11.2% damage, but also generates a brief, but intense wind effect across the entire screen, pushing foes in the direction Vaati performed the Smash attack (think Latias and Latios flying across the screen, but with a slightly stronger wind, and you have the general idea). Thus, if foes are close to that blast line… well, they’re doomed. It’s also good for messing up recoveries.
Up Smash: Vaati’s hat glows[MB3], then unleashes a pillar of baleful red light that does 7%-9.8% damage to anyone caught in the blast. Victims are launched straight up. The attack also generates a brief, but intense wind effect from the bottom of the screen all the way to the top, pushing foes up into the air. Anyone who’s near the upper blast line when Vaati performs this move will be KO’d as the wind pushes them up and off the screen. Characters caught in the pillar of baleful light will be caught in the wind blast afterwards.
Down Smash: Vaati generates orbs of electricity in each of his hands and violently slams them into the ground, generating explosions to each side of him that do 10-14% damage at point-blank range and 7-9.8% damage a bit further away, and launch foes directly to the side. At the same time, he generates a violent downwards blast of wind from the top of the screen, pushing all airborne enemies directly down to the ground (or the bottom blast line) and tripping all enemies on the ground.

Smash Attack Summary: Vaati’s Smash Attacks, with their secondary wind effects covering the entire screen, seem overpowered at first glance in spite of their horribly low damage output. However, they all have pretty bad start-up and ending lag; the lag isn’t horrible, but it does provide just enough of a window between wind blasts for even the slowest of characters to have a chance to regain their footing and close the distance on Vaati. So, while they can be very effective at spacing or scoring KO’s when used to catch foes off-guard, trying to spam them isn’t a good idea.

Aerial Attacks:

Neutral Aerial: Vaati wraps himself in a hurricane that blows everything around him away. Those caught in the hurricane itself, taking the shape of a giant buzzsaw made of wind which rotates counterclockwise, are hit repeatedly, taking a total of 5% damage, and launched on the final hit. Those a bit farther away are blown directly away from Vaati, as if affected by the scream of the Master Giant.
Forward Aerial: Vaati, firmly clutching the hilt of his sword, swoops through the air directly in front of him, similarly to Tabuu’s Shark Dive attack in Brawl, impaling enemies in his way for 7% damage and semi-spiking them. Vaati’s flight generates a wind current around him, which carries foes above and below him along for the ride. This may not be a good thing, as it can put them in a prime position to punish Vaati during the attack’s horrendous ending lag and even more horrendous landing lag (if Vaati lands in the middle of this move’s animation, he basically faceplants and skids some distance across the ground). However, the sheer distance this move covers makes it an excellent horizontal recovery tool, and towards the end of the attack, the wind’s angle changes slightly to pull foes towards Vaati’s sword, which means that if they’re too reckless in trying to punish Vaati, they may find themselves getting stabbed.
Back Aerial: Vaati does a backflip in midair, holding his sword out to perform a vicious downward slash for 9% damage. This is one of Vaati’s few moves without any sort of push or pull effect associated with it. However, it is a very fast and potent meteor smash, with very quick startup lag and a relatively long active window – while there is a sweetspot required for the move to meteor smash, the sweetspot is the entire length of time that Vaati is bringing his sword downward, hanging inverted in the air, before flipping back over to have his feet pointing towards the ground (so, all but the first few and last few active frames of the attack). Thus, it’s a very easy meteor smash to use, and the knockback is quite high, making it a solid edgeguarding KO move. In fact, the knockback is good enough that it’s even capable of KOing onstage at relatively low percentages, like Ganondorf’s down aerial (though it’s not quite as strong as that move). This move does have its issues, though; namely, relatively short range, fairly bad ending lag, and absolutely horrible landing lag. (Hey, you try to do anything in a hurry after landing on your head.)
Up Aerial: Vaati’s hat rears back, generating a vortex that sucks in enemies within a large hemicircular area around Vaati (it can’t affect anything below him, nor can it pull a character through a platform). After a second of pulling, or once the attack button is pressed again, the hat flails about wildly, slapping enemies that were pulled in close enough for 4% damage and launching them upwards. The hat’s flailing also reverses the direction of the vortex, so that enemies are blown away instead.
Down Aerial: Vaati generates a red laser beneath his feet[MB4] and fires it straight down. The laser does 7% damage to those it hits, assuming that they get hit near Vaati’s feet, and weakly meteor smashes them; its range is long, but not overbearingly so, and it is very narrow. The laser actually has multiple hitboxes, with hitboxes farther away from Vaati doing less damage but having slightly greater knockback. Foes who have little damage and get hit near Vaati are likely to be knocked into the rest of the laser, causing a natural combo. Foes with high damage are more likely to be slammed into the ground before the rest of the laser can make contact with them. While firing the laser, Vaati releases a gust of wind beneath him, gently pushing foes towards the ground in a wide area beneath him. This move has very little landing lag, and its ending lag isn’t that bad either (though the landing lag is better). However, it does have moderate startup lag, and its active duration is very long, meaning that it has to be used with caution when below the stage, to say nothing of the fact that Vaati is left wide open to attacks not coming from below him. However, it is both one of Vaati’s most damaging attacks and a good way to mess with foes who are trying to recover.

Throws:

Grab: Vaati generates a tornado and sends it forward. If the tornado seizes a foe, it traps them and returns to Vaati. This is a very long-ranged grab with very little end lag; however, characters can begin trying to escape as soon as they’re caught in the tornado, which means that by the time the tornado gets to Vaati and he’s able to pummel or throw his victim, they’re already part of the way to escaping his grasp (or, if their damage is low, they may have been able to escape outright before Vaati has any window of opportunity to do anything with them whatsoever).
Pummel: Vaati cuts the trapped enemy with his sword for 2% damage.
Forward Throw: Vaati commands the tornado to fly forward, potentially carrying the victim off the screen. The victim can still escape before the tornado actually leaves the screen. If the tornado flies into a wall, it ejects the victim straight up, dealing 5% damage. The tornado can travel up a slope that a character could walk up, but is not affected by gravity. Characters that the tornado collides with get knocked up into the air, taking 3% damage. It’s entirely possible to attack the character stuck in the tornado, and if the knockback is strong enough, launch them out, similarly to launching a buried character.
Back Throw: Vaati conjures up 3 energy orbs a moderately large distance in front of him and commands them to fly towards him, slamming into the foe and launching them behind him. Each energy orb does 5% damage, so if all 3 hit, that’s 15% damage – rather high by Vaati’s standards. However, the foe can escape the tornado before the energy orbs hit them, in which case the orbs are likely to hit Vaati instead. The energy orbs generate a weak push effect that pushes characters ahead of them (though their speed is greater than their push force, so they will eventually slam into a character that gets in their way). Vaati is unaffected by the push force of his own orbs, and the throw victim is unaffected while stuck in the tornado.
Up Throw: Vaati simply has the tornado spit the victim out, launching them up into the air for 6% damage, and conjures a wind blast to blow them higher into the air. This is Vaati’s most straightforward throw, and the only one that can’t be escaped mid-execution.
Down Throw: Vaati conjures a mystic orb while holding his foe in the tornado and engulfs the enemy in it, turning them to stone, then shatters them. This is an instant KO, but takes a long time to execute, and the foe can continue trying to break free during the entire animation; thus, Vaati is unlikely to actually successfully engulf the enemy with the orb until they’ve reached 120% or so damage (at which point it’s very unlikely that they’ll break free before the animation is completed). No push or pull effects are generated during the throw, and if the foe is not hit by the orb, the throw does nothing.

Throw Summary: Vaati has some very unconventional throws, and they are quite powerful; his forward and down throws in particular are capable of instantly KOing victims. However, Vaati is the only character other than Kirby whose throws can be escaped while they are in progress, and the only character whose grasp can be escaped before he has any opening whatsoever to execute a pummel or throw. As for the down throw, it is a direct reference to The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap, in which Vaati turns Princess Zelda to stone at the beginning of the game... only, it has a more pragmatic twist to it, befitting its inclusion in a fighting game.

Special Moves:

Neutral Special (Default): Wind Blast: This is an auto-charge special in which Vaati builds up power within his body, then violently releases it to blow opponents within a fair distance of him a long, long way away. It functions very similarly to Master Giant’s shout, with the push force and range being determined by how long it was charged; at full charge, it reaches out slightly farther than halfway across Final Destination (assuming Vaati is standing on the edge) and pushes foes strongly enough to launch them right off the screen at damage higher than 60%. Charging it fully takes 4 seconds. The attack does not do any damage; it simply pushes foes away from Vaati. Compared to the alternate versions, this is a low-risk, low-reward move.
Neutral Special (Custom 1): Intense Wind Blast: This version is not an auto-charge special, instead functioning more like Ike’s Eruption; that is, the charge cannot be stored for later, but it can be released at any point. At low charge, it’s barely stronger than the default version; at higher levels, the difference is much more noticeable, with the fully-charged blast being between the default version and Hyper Wind Blast in terms of range and push force. This is a medium-risk, medium-reward move.
Neutral Special (Custom 2): Hyper Wind Blast: This version is not an auto-charge special, nor can it be manually canceled; once initiated, Vaati is committed to performing it at full power, which means that he’s very, very vulnerable. However, if he pulls it off, the wind blast covers the entire stage and is very, very strong; so strong, in fact, that anyone who isn’t positioned directly between Vaati and a floor, wall, or ceiling is practically guaranteed to be pushed beyond a blast line. But with the 4-second start-up time, it’s very hard to pull off. This is a high-risk, high-reward move.

Side Special (Default): Repulsor Gale: Vaati generates a barrier of wind directly in front of him, which repels opponents (and also stops their attacks cold) and reflects projectiles. Vaati cannot move while he has the barrier active, but he can rotate it around himself with the Control Stick.
Side Special (Custom 1): Rejection Gale: Instead of a barrier, Vaati generates a stream of wind, similar to Gust Bellows, that he can freely aim around himself. It cannot reflect projectiles, though, and Vaati is still immobile while he maintains the gust.
Side Special (Custom 2): Petrify: Instead of a barrier or wind stream, Vaati charges up, then fires a beam from his hand. It can be aimed before firing in the same fashion as redirecting his other side specials; it takes 1.5 seconds to fire the beam. This beam petrifies anyone it hits, similarly to Vaati’s down throw, but does not immediately shatter its victim. To shatter a character and score a KO, one has to hit them with attacks worth a total of 40% damage, with the final hit being granted the KO. The petrified character cannot move, but can shake off the effect with vigorous button mashing. The higher a character’s damage, the more difficult it is to break free from petrification. Petrified characters do not take damage (with all damage that they would take instead being used to shatter them), nor can they sustain knockback or be grabbed. The petrification beam travels marginally faster than Samus’s Charge Shot, and its maximum travel distance is a bit less than halfway across Final Destination. It cannot penetrate characters, nor does it travel through terrain; it stops at the first entity it hits. This attack generates no push or pull effects, nor can it reflect projectiles or stop attacks. Amusingly enough, Kirby cannot be petrified (by this move, anyways; the down throw still works normally); getting hit with this attack simply forces him to immediately perform his down special. (Trying to petrify a guy who can already turn himself to stone isn’t exactly the most effective attack strategy.)

Up Special (Default): Wind Walk: Vaati halts in midair, and a cursor appears beneath his feet. By moving the Control Stick (or whatever’s used for your control scheme), a path of solid wind is drawn using the cursor. The cursor remains on-screen for 2.5 seconds, after which Vaati automatically glides along the path at a moderately quick pace (equivalent to Mario’s running speed), plowing through anyone in his way for 2% damage on contact; the path collapses behind Vaati, blowing characters in the opposite direction. When Vaati reaches the end of the path, he simply falls off and can use any of his aerial attacks or moves except for another Wind Walk; he can even use his second jump if he hasn’t already done so. The path is semi-solid, and other characters can walk on it as though it was a platform or have their movement blocked by it as though it was a wall. It can also be attacked. If the path takes 40% or more total damage, or a character is launched into a segment of the path vertical enough to serve as a wall upon taking knockback above a certain threshold, the path shatters, causing Vaati to unceremoniously tumble off, and he becomes helpless; the same thing happens if Vaati tries to walk through something that he can’t actually pass through, like a solid platform or wall. (The cursor can’t actually go through terrain that a character can’t pass through themselves, but it can hug it closely enough that Vaati could potentially draw a path that gets him stuck.) If a character is launched into the path with enough force to shatter it, they will pass right through as though it wasn’t there (because, well, it no longer is). Still, the fact that the path is capable of being attacked means that it can intercept some attacks, particularly projectiles, allowing it to serve as an impromptu shield. Vaati has mild flinch and launch resistance during the move, but a strong enough attack can still knock him off the path. The path’s endpoint can be set prematurely, allowing Vaati to begin his wind walk early at the cost of less distance, by releasing the special button before the cursor expires on its own.
Up Special (Custom 1): Quick Wind Walk: The cursor lasts for 1.5 seconds, but moves much more quickly, allowing Vaati to draw his path more swiftly. The increased speed counterbalances the reduced duration to make the maximum distance slightly greater than the default version, at the cost of precision. Vaati also moves more quickly along the wind path once he’s drawn it, and the wind path can only sustain a maximum of 30% damage before shattering.
Up Special (Custom 2): Blackjack Wind Walk: The cursor lasts for 5 seconds, allowing Vaati to create a longer path, and the path can sustain a maximum of 45% damage before shattering. This extends his recovery. However, the longer duration makes the path more vulnerable to being shattered (despite its slightly increased health), and unlike the other two versions, Vaati still falls, albeit at a reduced rate, while drawing the path, making it a little risky to use. The real risk, however, comes from the fact that if Vaati maintains the cursor for the full 5 seconds, he misses his wind path entirely, failing to go anywhere at all, and adding insult to injury, he becomes helpless as though the path had been shattered, which may result in him falling to his doom. Thus, this is a highly efficient recovery that is prone to utterly failing if overstretched. Note that if Vaati misses the path, it promptly disintegrates.

Up Special Commentary: This move is one that I came up while thinking of a way to integrate the touch screen of the 3DS and GamePad into the gameplay; thus, playing the 3DS version or with the GamePad allows you to draw the path with the stylus, but this may be less practical than using the cursor. The move’s function is largely inspired by Kirby: Canvas Curse and Kirby and the Rainbow Curse. I decided to use Vaati for it because he could justify it with his wind-manipulation abilities. As for the third variant, I initially called it “All-or-Nothing Wind Walk”, until I realized that its failure condition was letting the cursor expire on its own, so going all-out makes you crash and (possibly) burn. I switched it to “Blackjack Wind Walk” in reference to the card game, where having a hand worth more than 21 points causes you to go “bust” and score nothing.

Down Special (Default): Cyclone: Vaati strikes a casting pose, causing him to be surrounded in a tempest of high-intensity wind. This wind is so intense that it actually damages foes, trapping them inside and dealing roughly 2% damage per second. There is also a vacuum effect that tries to pull foes into the damage zone, which affects the entire stage and is rather strong. Vaati can only maintain the cyclone for up to 8 seconds at a time, after which he’s left vulnerable as he takes a breather. Foes trapped in the cyclone will be launched away as it ends. It doesn’t have a recharge time per se, but the longer Vaati maintains the cyclone, the longer he’ll have to rest afterwards.
Down Special (Custom 1): Lightning Cyclone: The high-intensity tempest is laced with lightning, increasing its damage output to 4% damage per second. However, the vacuum effect pulling foes into the cyclone is weaker, and it can only be maintained for a maximum of 6 seconds (but with slightly increased ending lag per second, so a maximum-length Lightning Cyclone has the same ending lag as a maximum-length Cyclone).
Down Special (Custom 2): Flaming Cyclone: The high-intensity tempest is cloaked in flame, increasing its damage output to a whopping 6% per second. The vacuum effect pulling foes into the cyclone is marginally weaker than the default version (much greater than Lightning Cyclone), and the maximum length and cooldown time per frame are the same as the default version. However, Vaati is practically roasting himself alive in the eye of the storm, and takes 2% damage per second while maintaining the cyclone as a consequence.

Final Smash: Vaati’s Wrath[MB5]: Vaati transforms into his final form from The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords and flies up to the top of the screen, generating a tornado beneath himself (like he does in his first form from said game). For the duration of the Final Smash, there is a strong pull effect from both sides of the screen that carries characters upwards and towards the tornado. The tornado covers the entire center of the screen, making this Final Smash utter hell to avoid on small stages. Characters caught in the tornado are carried up to Vaati, taking damage steadily, and ultimately launched off the top of the screen. While all this is going on, balls of electricity rain down on the stage. They do 6% damage each and do little knockback, but getting hit by them causes significant hitstun that can greatly hinder efforts to stay out of the tornado. The Final Smash lasts for 20 seconds, with Vaati transforming back into his human form and dropping back onto the stage afterwards.

Taunts:

Up Taunt: Vaati raises his sword above his head and faces the screen, in the classic Zelda “Item Get” pose.
Side Taunt: Vaati faces the screen, takes his signature pose from The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap, and chuckles.
Down Taunt: Vaati conjures a small cyclone in his hand, then releases it. This taunt pushes characters away from Vaati as it ends.

Victory Theme: The Legend of Zelda victory theme

Victory Taunt A: Vaati turns to face away from the screen and chants ominously[MB6], with his hair billowing in the wind. The victory theme is supplemented with the chime of a bell at the very end.
Victory Taunt B: Vaati flies in, swoops down, seizes a randomly selected female Mii saved to the system in a tornado, and flies away with them[MB7] as they struggle in vain to escape. As Vaati flies away with his victim, he lets out a deep chuckle – his original laugh from The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords. If he was up against a female fighter (including a female Mii Fighter), he may be seen capturing them instead, and they will not be shown clapping at the results screen (though there’s always the chance that he’ll just kidnap a random female Mii instead). When winning against certain characters, he may very rarely be seen capturing their love interests instead of a random female Mii or female opponent (ex. victory against Fox results in Vaati kidnapping Krystal, victory against Sonic results in Vaati kidnapping Amy Rose, victory against Shulk results in Vaati kidnapping Fiora, etc.), though he’ll never be seen kidnapping a playable character who didn’t partake in the battle (so, for example, he won’t be depicted kidnapping Peach as a result of defeating Mario). Vaati only kidnaps one character per match.
Victory Taunt C: Vaati laughs wickedly and transforms one of his defeated foes into a hat[MB8], then proceeds to laugh at their misfortune. The unfortunate victim is not shown clapping at the results screen.

Victory Taunts Summary: As cool as Vaati’s moves may be, we have to remember that he’s a villain, and a pretty despicable one at that. Therefore, two out of his three victory taunts are directly designed to rub his victory in the losers’ faces, and the third is just plain horrifying in context. For those who don’t get what I mean; Vaati’s Victory Taunt A is the same pose he’s in during the bad ending of The Minish Cap, after he has just finished draining the Light Force from Princess Zelda – killing her in the process and obtaining godlike power, with the implication that he’s about to take over the world and murder several more people in the process. As for the other two… Victory Taunt B is arguably even more horrible than Victory Taunt A, as it depicts him kidnapping a helpless woman, with the implication that he’s going to **** her later. Repeatedly. Yikes. (And no, I’m not pulling this out of my arse; Vaati’s pervert credentials are established in The Legend of Zelda: Four Swordsthe very first game he appears in – when he abducts Princess Zelda with the intention to force her to marry him.) Victory Taunt C, while always rubbing Vaati’s victory in someone’s face and not being as subtle about it as the other two, is probably the tamest of the three – and considering that it involves someone being transformed into a hat, that speaks volumes about how heinous the other two are. It is, however, a reference to one of Vaati’s canonical misdeeds, just like the other two; in this case, it’s a reference to what Vaati did to his mentor, Ezlo, after stealing the Mage’s Cap from him to become a sorcerer.

[MB1]The altar mentioned in Vaati’s on-screen appearance is meant to be a sort of cheap approximation of the Four Sword shrine, and the sword itself is not the Four Sword, but the Smith’s Sword from The Minish Cap (it was intended to be given to the winner of the tournament in The Minish Cap’s opening act, which just so happens to be Vaati). Apparently, someone didn’t get the memo that Vaati can only be properly sealed within the Four Sword.

[MB2]This is a reference to one of Vaati’s attacks as Vaati Transfigured, the second phase of the final boss battle in The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap.

[MB3]In The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap, Vaati’s power comes from the Mage’s Cap, a wish-granting hat which he stole from his master, Ezlo (who had intended to give it to some unidentified humans, presumably the royal family of Hyrule, as a gift). Thus, I wanted at least one attack in Vaati’s moveset to erupt from his hat, as a nod to the fact that it’s the source of his power.

[MB4]This move is a reference to the laser attack that Vaati Reborn can perform in The Minish Cap.

[MB5]Though named Vaati’s Wrath, after the final form of Vaati from The Minish Cap, this Final Smash actually represents Vaati as he appeared in Four Swords, and should resemble that form more than the actual Vaati’s Wrath from Minish Cap.

[MB6]This is a reference to a nonstandard game over scenario in The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap; if Link took too long to defeat the Darknuts guarding Vaati at the castle’s roof, Vaati would complete his ritual to drain the Light Force from Princess Zelda, obtaining godlike power and killing her in the process.

[MB7]Vaati is stated (and demonstrated) to have a penchant for capturing pretty maidens to be his brides. The implications are obvious… seriously, the guy is all but confirmed to be a rapist.

[MB8]This is precisely what Vaati did to Ezlo in the backstory of The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap.
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Vaati's Theme
I can't think of a good description... Can someone help me out?
Minish Village
A calm and soothing theme that plays in the Minish village.
Boss Theme
Plays when Link fights the end bosses n each of the dungeons.
Vaati's Origins
Plays as Ezlo narrates Vaati's backstory to Link.
Dark Hyrule Castle
An eerie theme which plays in the Hyrule castle when it gets over by Vaati.
The Possessed King
Plays when Vaati takes the form of the King of Hyrule and tricks the soldiers to look for the Light Force.
Vaati Reborn
A darker and more serious remix of Vaati's theme.
Vaati Transfigured
Another remix of Vaati's theme. Has a slightly slower pace than "Vaati Reborn", and has a "in the thick of battle" feel to it.
Vaati's Wrath
Yet another remix of Vaati's theme; this one sounds much more evil and panicky, but the ending is slightly upbeat.
Broken Curse
Plays when Vaati's curse is lifted from Ezlo, as he departs to the Minish world. Has a sad and sombre feel.

Counter Arguments Towards Vaati

He's most likely won't ever be seen again!
Vaati actually has a large chance of reappearing again thanks to his large timeline influence, and being known by Ganondorf. Also, every time the 4-Sword is pulled out, this releases Vaati, so he could very well appear again.
In the official time-line there is a big gap between 4-swords and 4-swords adventures which means he could reappear in that timeline again. He also could appear in the other 2 timelines, as he was not defeated in those timelines yet, which leads me to believe that Vaati could be in Zelda U, which may be multiplayer, and Vaati fits a very good role for that game, especially if they use 4 Link's again.

He has never fought in his normal form!
We may have never seen Vaati fight in his normal form, but he shows that he can when he teleports and pushes opponents away with his magic. Most of his moves in his other forms can also be easily incorporated into his human form and it wouldn't look awkward, especially most of his moves from the Vaati reborn form, which looks almost just like his normal form, only taller and more features on him.

Impa would be better character than Vaati!
Impa poses the biggest threat to Vaati, however Impa hasn't appeared as an actual person who could fight very often, and isn't that important in very many either, besides from her usual starting you on your quest. The only games where she could actually pull some important potential are; OoT, which Sheik was actually a more important character in; Hyrule Warriors, and Skyward Sword which is probably the only version of Impa that is actually important to the story as a whole and could actually fight, at least in her younger form.
Now compare this with Vaati. In all of the games Vaati has been in, he was very important. He was either the main villian or the secondary villian only to Ganon himself. Vaati's importance was also in 3 games, unlike Impa who was only majorly important in one and was overshadowed by Sheik in the other, while not having very important roles in the other few Zelda games she's been in.

Nintendo doesn't seem to like him, as his games were also co-created with Capcom.
If Nintendo didn't like Vaati, wouldn't it seem weird that they used Minish Cap as a 3DS ambassador and gave 4-Swords an anniversary edition? Also, Four Swords Adventures wasn't made by Capcom, yet Vaati was in it, which makes it seem a lot like they don't have anything against him.

Vaati's games aren't well liked and weren't very advertized!
Vaati's games are actually well liked by the public, being very highly acclaimed. Four Swords Adventures was ranked the 48th best game ever made on a Nintendo system by Nintendo power and received an 86 out of 100 from Metacritic. It was also the 3rd best selling game of June 2004 in North America, with 155,000 units and has since sold 250,000 copies and sold 127,000 units in Japan. Minish Cap was also very highly acclaimed. It was named the 20th best GBA game in an IGN feature, and was selected as the 2005 GBA game of the year by Gamespot.

Vaati didn't even have a trophy/sticker in Brawl!
While both of these are true, these don't hurt Vaati either. In Brawl, all the Zelda trophies were either WW or TP trophies, giving Vaati no chance to be in there.But what about the stickers, you ask? The Zelda stickers in Brawl are equivalent to the trophies in Melee, since they both spread to a larger area of the franchises. Anyways, back in Melee, Diddy Kong didn't have a trophy, however he managed to get in Brawl. And Wolf only had a very short cameo, yet he still made it in Brawl. Thus the no sticker/ trophy argument is invalid.

Vaati doesn't have any fans and he's not even remembered!
This is completely untrue, as Vaati is still very much remembered and supported for new Zelda games, and he's very supported for the new Smash Bros too, as DLC. Seen here. Heck, as of the time of this update, Vaati's beating Impa in the top 10 most wanted, so he's definitely still remembered and wanted.
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I wanted him early in SSB4 speculation, but now I prefer Ghirahim. Vaati has faded away from most new Zelda character discussions.

He is still a cool character with great potential.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that u have a minor typo, *cool.

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I wanted him early in SSB4 speculation, but now I prefer Ghirahim. Vaati has faded away from most new Zelda character discussions.

He is still a cool character with great potential.

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Yeah Ghirahim have really more chances tan Vaati. Maybe Vaati 20% and Ghirahim somewhat 70% of chances.

In the 3 split timeline, there was one that vaati was not ressurrected yet, but I can't remember what timeline. Maybe was the defeated Link timeline???
 

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I like him, but only appearing in minish cap, kinda messes up his chances...I rather see Ghiraham, Impa or Skull Kid instead, but If he did make an appearances I would not be mad, suprised yes, mad no. OP should have a little more info on him though, like moveset, why he should be incorporated, what are his chances, & whatnot, but yeah cool* character.

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I like him, but only appearing in minish cap, kinda messes up his chances...I rather see Ghiraham, Impa or Skull Kid instead, but If he did make an appearances I would not be mad, suprised yes, mad no. OP should have a little more info on him though, like moveset, why he should be incorporated, what are his chances, & whatnot, but yeah cool* character.

He also appeared in four swords adventure for gamecube (only reoccurring villain besides ganondorf)
 

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well if they where going to include another zelda villain id would prefer it to be vaati
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXHTMplT0Bc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaEMT5jS_l0&feature=related
http://youtu.be/jYZW8fwK6mk?t=7m56s

Thought I would go ahead and add these into this thread.

Also Moveset for Specials:

Neutral Special - Warlocks Pyre:
You press B and Vaati starts charging fire in his hand and press it again to fire a fireball that moves in a straight horizontal line. You can reserve this moves charge for later by finishing the charge completely or dodging out of the attack.

Charge Lv.1: does 6% sends out a small fireball with little to no knockback and short range
Charge Lv.2: does 11% sends out a faster medium sized fireball with medium to little knockback with descent range
Charge Lv.3: does 18% sends out a a large sized fireball with large knockback and good range.
Charge Lv.4: does 25% sends out a ball of lightning that moves extremely quick(slightly faster than a fully charged charge shot by Samus) and has large knockback as well as range.
(Based off Wrath "Minish Cap", Reborn "Minish Cap" & Bat Form "Four Swords")




Down Special - Shadow Barb:
Throws a purple spike an extremely short distance that stays on the ground for 5 seconds before disappearing. Any player that runs into or falls on it will take damage much like the spikes in Brawl cause. The spikes each have 14HP before they are destroyed so other players can destroy them usually with a smash attack. He can have 2 of these on the stage at once before having to wait for one of his to be destroyed or vanish on its own before using this move again. (Based off Transfigured Form "Minish Cap") Does 7% damage a hit.

Up Special - Cyclone:
Creates a big cyclone beneath himself and rides it diagonally upwards. This attack picks up items as well as other players sucking them upwards. Though this attack does no damage it only leaves him semi-helpless and he can still use his A moves.
(Based off Bat Form "Four Swords Adventures" and 1st form "Four Swords" )

Down Special - Mage Ray:
He sends out a single orb on both sides of him slightly above his height. They both shoot directly downwards damaging any opponent below them. If used in the air he sends out only one directly above himself that shoots diagonally downward.
(Based off Reborn Form "Minish Cap") Does 10% damage

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Vaati could be a really cool character in SSB4.
HE appered on three distinct Zelda games: TLOZ: The Minish Cap, TLOZ: Four Swords, and TLOZ: Four Swords Adventures , so it's the only recurring boss besides Ganondorf
Yeah, because Four Swords is so different than Four Swords Adventures.

Considering how many characters in the Zelda universe are reborn and reincarnated in different forms, one might assume Vaati to be a reincarnation of Ghirahim. With that said, Ghirahim may just be the contemporary incarnation of your wind mage, and as you said, has a much better chance. Ghirahim is alive in the minds of people now and being featured in a main 3D console game, just takes the cake. I think Vaati's chances died with Brawl as Skull Kid's did with Melee.
 

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Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures aren't the same game. One continues on the story of the other. One has Ganon as the main villian and one has Vaati.

Also, weren't most villains from Zelda fresh in the minds of the fans before a Smash game was released. Therefore we should have Skull Kid and Zant in too. The fact that Ghirahim has been in only one game puts him in the same category as these guys. Lastly, how would his chances go down from the fact that Toon Link was added into Brawl? If anything it would raise his chances.
 

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Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures aren't the same game. One continues on the story of the other. One has Ganon as the main villian and one has Vaati.

Also, weren't most villains from Zelda fresh in the minds of the fans before a Smash game was released. Therefore we should have Skull Kid and Zant in too. The fact that Ghirahim has been in only one game puts him in the same category as these guys. Lastly, how would his chances go down from the fact that Toon Link was added into Brawl? If anything it would raise his chances.
Except that Ghirahim is actually important to the series as a whole, setting the whole plot in motion. That's not something Skull Kid or ant can claim...
 

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Except that Ghirahim is actually important to the series as a whole, setting the whole plot in motion. That's not something Skull Kid or ant can claim...
And that, in my opinion is the only reason he would even be considered. Though that alone doesn't make him that likely as it would have to break smash histroy as I said in another thread. I'm not saying he won't appear but he's definitely not as likely as some people believe him to be.
 

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Vaati, Ghirahim, Zant, Skull Kid... the four who are wanted...

Vaati had the most appearences, and good moveset potential, perhaps tied with Ghirahim. important role in three games opposed to Ghirahim's one. but canon-wise, it could be argued that Ghirahim is the one who set the entire Legend in action, with Demon King Demise's revival and eventual defeat.

out of these four, I think Vaati and Ghirahim are the more relevant, however for different reasions.
they both also have mutliple boss battles and at least two forms which helps for Final Smash possibilities. however, I think Ghirahim was more memorable (for me, that is). but, I would be happy with Vaati anyway, since I enjoyed Four Swords Adventures and recently played the Four Swords Anniversary Edition.
 

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Vaati, Ghirahim, Zant, Skull Kid... the four who are wanted...

Vaati had the most appearences, and good moveset potential, perhaps tied with Ghirahim. important role in three games opposed to Ghirahim's one. but canon-wise, it could be argued that Ghirahim is the one who set the entire Legend in action, with Demon King Demise's revival and eventual defeat.

out of these four, I think Vaati and Ghirahim are the more relevant, however for different reasions.
they both also have mutliple boss battles and at least two forms which helps for Final Smash possibilities. however, I think Ghirahim was more memorable (for me, that is). but, I would be happy with Vaati anyway, since I enjoyed Four Swords Adventures and recently played the Four Swords Anniversary Edition.
I'm afraid that I'll have to agree with you on that one since these two were actually my favorite villains. ;)
 

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Can you show your workings out of this? I'm interested how you get a percentage on chances of a character getting into smash at this point of time. (except obviously Mario 100%, Luigi 50% and Sonic 0% :bubblebobble:
And with you saying that Luigi has a 50% chance, all remaining credibility from you was lost...
 

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i love mage characters, and i was very dissapointed to learn that ganondorf was more fist-fighting based and didn't use his magic too much. if ganondorf's moveset remains the same for the most part... then i think vaati would be a great addition to the roster.
 

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I really can't understand why so few people like him. Like the OP mentioned he has been the boss of 3 games! I know that everybody now is excited with Ghirahim because of Skyward Sword, but come on, you have to admit that Vaati deserves a spot in the roster too.
 

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I really can't understand why so few people like him. Like the OP mentioned he has been the boss of 3 games! I know that everybody now is excited with Ghirahim because of Skyward Sword, but come on, you have to admit that Vaati deserves a spot in the roster too.
Liking him isn't the problem. Most of us do like him.

Vaati simply missed his chance with Brawl. Unless he appears in another game he has no shot.
 

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Liking him isn't the problem. Most of us do like him.

Vaati simply missed his chance with Brawl. Unless he appears in another game he has no shot.

But he is an important part of the Legend of Zelda history, pretty much like R.O.B is for Nintendo's (couldn't think of a better example lol).
 

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Vaati to me has more merit than Ghirahim until Ghirahim appears in something other than Skyward Sword.

Skull Kid appeared in three of the most popular and best selling Zelda games ever so he, in reality, should trump both.
 

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But he is an important part of the Legend of Zelda history, pretty much like R.O.B is for Nintendo's (couldn't think of a better example lol).
By that Logic, Shigeru Miyamoto should be the next Mario rep, lol.
 

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Maybe Vaati will be the villain of the Link to the Past sequel? If I'm reading the Zelda timeline right, Vaati was never defeated in the LttP timeline so head could make a reappearance.
 

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Oh Vaati.

If you somehow got in I would be giddier than a schoolgirl.

You were one of my most supported characters in Brawl.

Ah memories....
 

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I wonder if he'll ever be brought into the non-toon Zelda universe. I bet they could make him look pretty badass in a more realistic design. I still think it'd be pretty awesome if he ended up being a secret boss in the Wind Waker remake... It's all about wind, that's Vaati's deal.
 

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Vaati's popularity has largely died down since the Brawl day. :urg:

This thread hasn't moved even a page yet. :(
 

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Goshers, I'm just keeping my Vaati-sig for the sake of loving the hell out of the character overall. Can't see him in Smash though currently (sorta like Lyn, except EVEN MORE so.)
 
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