Smash 4 Ver. 1.08 Patch Thread [MOVE TO NEW THREAD]

[TheReflexWonder]

Just putting this up to avoid clutter in the Character Competitive Impressions thread.

Please don't post "I heard from this guy that told somebody" if you can help it. Side-by-side comparisons would be best.

Remember that Training Mode doesn't add the freshness damage bonus, and that Versus Mode does. If you compare with frame data/moveset threads, it's probably the data from Training Mode, but check first.

If any mod more diligent than myself wants to take the OP to update stuff, by all means.

 

[Sinister Slush]

My one true concern with this patch is honestly just Yoshi diddy sheik zss luigi Pikachu and fox.

Yoshi I pray for bair buff so hits can accurately chain into each other, some buffs to tilts cause outside of dtilt the others have horrible lag at the end of em.
Patch not downloading for some reason, so I can't check myself.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Patch not downloading for some reason, so I can't check myself.

Same issue here. Otherwise I'd go through it myself.

 

[FullMoon]

Greninja's F-Tilt is buffed. The whole animation goes faster and the move does 1% more damage.

That seems to be all for him. Gotta check if people can still fall out of Up-Air.

 

[RRoulette]

apparently greninja was buffed
edit: ninja'd
More Ike buffs:
Ftilt faster startup, reduced damage to 12%.
Dash attack startup reduced(?), damage increased to 14%.
Will test more, just first observations so far.

 

[ama99]

Can pretty much 100% confirm Link's grab is much longer. Similar to ZSS now. Dthrow also has better KB.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Can pretty much 100% confirm Link's grab is much longer.

Is it still outranged by Bowser/DK pivot grab? You can easily test it by pivot grabbing at the ledge so you have nowhere to slide.

 

[ama99]

Is it still outranged by Bowser/DK pivot grab? You can easily test it by pivot grabbing at the ledge so you have nowhere to slide.

Not sure, can't play for a couple weeks. But credible Links in our community xat can 100% confirm

 

[exnecross]

Most people know this by now, but just for the sake of posting it here: Diddy's Uair has received quite the nerf. http://smashboards.com/threads/character-competitive-impressions.367669/page-737#post-19411509

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Somebody needs to test the single frame of ledge snap vulnerability for me.

 

[swanswan]

I realize I've never posted here, but hopefully this being my intro post is irrelevant.
I'm having a lot of difficulty TrEgging with Yoshi (Dash, shield onto edge, egg throw to fall onto the ledge), and by that I mean I have not gotten it to work once. I'm wondering if anyone else can corroborate this?

 

[RRoulette]

Most people know this by now, but just for the sake of posting it here: Diddy's Uair has received quite the nerf. http://smashboards.com/threads/character-competitive-impressions.367669/page-737#post-19411509

yeah, we know that already; twitter people would've seen it a bit early i assume, due to ZeRo posting all about it.
peach remains the same, still has her infi.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I realize I've never posted here, but hopefully this being my intro post is irrelevant.
I'm having a lot of difficulty TrEgging with Yoshi (Dash, shield onto edge, egg throw to fall onto the ledge), and by that I mean I have not gotten it to work once. I'm wondering if anyone else can corroborate this?

I assume you mean post-1.08? Maybe Yoshi gained some traction.

 

[RRoulette]

falcon was nerfed
[1:09:53 PM] Junior Z: Uair now does 10% with the feet and 11% with the thigh
waowh

 

[Gunla]

Greninja's F-Tilt is buffed. The whole animation goes faster and the move does 1% more damage.

That seems to be all for him. Gotta check if people can still fall out of Up-Air.

Actually, it does .5% more, as last patch it was 6.5%.

Otherwise, he's unchanged AFAIK.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Marth Jab appears to send people upward now, rather than Sakurai angle.

 

[swanswan]

I assume you mean post-1.08? Maybe Yoshi gained some traction.

Yes, post 1.08. Sorry for not clarifying that.

 

[dumshiny]

King Dedede's name now fits on one line in the character select screen.

 

[momochuu]

Dash attack startup reduced(?), damage increased to 14%.

....? no it doesn't. this isn't even a hard thing to test, it still does 7%. stop doing these things.

 

[FullMoon]

Actually, it does .5% more, as last patch it was 6.5%.

Otherwise, he's unchanged AFAIK.

Oh, okay then. Derp

Still, I'm trying to test it and I'm almost certain people can't fall out of Up-Air anymore? I really need someone to test that throughly because that's pretty important.

 

[RRoulette]

pika still has his infinite thunder wave combo, lucky mouse

 

[J.P]

Quick someone use Ness' back throw!

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Charizard's up throw got massively buffed in knockback; it's now a really strong kill throw, killing Mario from the center of FD at 125%. His down throw no longer kills, now being a combo starting throw that can true combo into fair and Dragon Rush, as well as potentially followup to uair, u-smash, and Fly, up to mid-high damages.

 

[RRoulette]

....? no it doesn't. this isn't even a hard thing to test, it still does 7%. stop doing these things.

aw man ;w;
also what's up with all of these people stalking the thread

 

[Teshie U]

Infinite lightweight still in, confirm sakurai doesnt care about customs.

 

[Puppyfaic]

Could be placebo but Rosalina's jab feels a LOT slower. Can anyone test this for me?

 

[Dumbfire]

I realize I've never posted here, but hopefully this being my intro post is irrelevant.
I'm having a lot of difficulty TrEgging with Yoshi (Dash, shield onto edge, egg throw to fall onto the ledge), and by that I mean I have not gotten it to work once. I'm wondering if anyone else can corroborate this?

Yes, they really changed things with specials used near the ledge. The bombslide/dash throw slide-off is out (this thing). The thing where freefall with Up B was faster than normal freefall seems to be gone too (this thing). And I can't get an SAF -- nor an SAF cancel -- but I suck at those so might just be me.

Presumably ledge mechanics were changed a little fix "glitches" with specials used near them.

Stuff for Link: Dthrow knockback is less, is straight up and has less knockback growth (now combos into Utilt on some chars some percents), Dtilt seems faster and combos into Uair now on Mario till like 80%, grab range is increased (possibly less lag when missed?), Usmash hits have suction now.

 

[The Real Inferno]

Can confirm the Charizard throw changes: dthrow does WAY less KB (is now a combo throw) and Uthrow does much more KB, now being a kill throw.

 

[LordShade67]

....? no it doesn't. this isn't even a hard thing to test, it still does 7%. stop doing these things.

I believe he was referring to Ike rather than Greninja. Just saying.

 

[Jrzfine]

Marth appears to have more range, but I need more people to confirm this. Could easily just be placebo. Also his F and Bair can SH autocancel. Could they do that before?

 

[Asdfchris]

....? no it doesn't. this isn't even a hard thing to test, it still does 7%. stop doing these things.

I tried this and Ike's Dash attack does 14. Maybe it has a sweetspot now?

 

[Zemaskedman]

Ness can release PSI magnet much faster now

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

Marth Jab appears to send people upward now, rather than Sakurai angle.

Negative, the move still jab locks at the same range. If they had given the move any sort of angle, it would never jab lock.

 

[momochuu]

I tried this and Ike's Dash attack does 14. Maybe it has a sweetspot now?

I believe he was referring to Ike rather than Greninja. Just saying.

ya i goofed and thought he was talking about greninja. my b.

 

[Aquamentii]

Ness can release PSI magnet much faster now

What about Bthrow? I'm sure that's the question on a lot of people's minds.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

bthrow is the same, feel like dair is better, idk about nair

 

[Quickhero]

Marth's jab now sends enemies to a different angle, if you want any confirmation, look here.

Spoiler

For reference, 1.08 is on the 3DS, while 1.07 is on the Wii-U. Notice the combo number too; on the 3DS jab 1 to 2 registers as a true combo!

I got some KO percentage buff at the very least on u-tilt, as a tipper can kill CF at 150% (just a random number I inputted and potentially not the max) while it couldn't previously. This is on training mode so no rage mode either. Going to upload footage of that soon.

 

[Dumbfire]

What about Bthrow? I'm sure that's the question on a lot of people's minds.

From Ness boards:

Some interesting differences with Bthrow this patch:
Jigglypuff: 79(0)/108(0)/128(-3)
Wii Fit Trainer: 95(+1)/131(0)/154(-3)
Bowser: 110(+1)/152(+2)/179(-3)

Don't have time to look into it right now but it seems like it's a little different but I wouldn't call it a nerf. I think it sends people higher now? Hence characters dying slightly earlier from the farther side of the stage.

Also data for the newcomers:
Lucas: 93/129/152
Roy: 92/128/156
Ryu: 96/134/161

 

[Bribery]

Diddy's Up Throw was nerfed from 8% to 5%. Down Throw was buffed from 6% to 7%. Dtilt nerfed from 6% to 5.5%

Confirming Ike's Dash Attack buffed. Does 14% at the tip, 11% at the blade.

 

[_Tree]

Sheik has no damage nerfs or buffs. Her F-air has the same ridiculous range.