Sequencing Turnips

[ant-d]

For some reason I became interested in the PRNG for Peach's turnips. And then I became interested in real-world patterns and the possible maximum length.

This small dataset is simply Peach's first turnip pull tried on different frames (all frames within a range)

All I know for now is that the pattern length is above or below 65535
This is not an attempt to find pull-rates; already done elsewhere. The findings of this small dataset doesn't represent theoretical maximums.
Therefore, we cannot conclude that 5 consecutive Stitch-faces is not possible (ie. 5 in 5 frames). Remember, this is about the pattern of a single first turnip pull; consecutive frames rather than consecutive pulls.

I will update this data set once I have time to figure out the PRNG (possibly never).


Features of this Subset:

Two consecutive Stitch-faces occurs once.
The longest consecutive sequence consists of 4 winking-faces.
The highest concentration of Stitch-faces is 5 within 41 frames.



Lucky Sequences

1. Stitch, Beamsword.
2. Stitch, Stitch.
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3. Bobomb, x, x, x, Bobomb.
4. Bobomb, x, x, x, x, x, Saturn.
5. Stitch, x, x, x, Saturn, x, x, x, Stitch.
6. Stitch, x, x, x, x, Saturn, x, x, Stitch.

Occurrences

Beamsword = 2 (0.197%)
Mr Saturn = 3 (0.296%)
Bobomb = 4 (0.395%)
Stitch = 20 (1.974%)

= 27 (2.665%)
^o^ = 56 (5.528%)
O_O = 61 (6.022%)
^_~ = 75 (7.404%)
r.r = 86 (8.5)
-.- = 92 (9.081%)
normal = 57.938%

It seems 1000~ consecutive frames is not bad of a dataset to work with. The probabilities found here are not very far from the official probabilities.


How to get a Bobomb/Beamsword/Stitch?
Preliminary answer: Down+B more (until you can count individual frames and/or travel back in time)


Dataset begins from frame 1323-
(Other frames result in an ordinary smiley-face turnip. = dot eyes)

[COLLAPSE="1000+ consecutive frames dataset"]1323 = bobomb
1326 = O_O
1327 = bobomb
1329 = r.r
1330 = -.-
1332 = O_O
1333 = -.-
1341 = r.r
1346 = O_O
1350 = O_O
1351 = (not normal = 6)
1355 = -.-
1358 = O_O
1359 = -.-
1360 = ^o^
1362 = O_O
1364 = r.r
1365 =
1366 = -.-
1367 = -.-
1370 = O_O
1371 = -.-
1372 = ;.
1374 = r.r
1376 = ^o^
1378 = sabre
1383 = r.r
1384 = -.-
1385 = r.r
1386 = ^o^
1387 = ^o^
1389 =
1390 = -.-
1392 = r.r
1394 = ^o^
1400 = -.-
1401 = r.r
1406 = O_O
1407 =
1408 = -.-
1409 = ;.
1412 = r.r
1414 = O_O
1415 = r.r

1417 = ;.
1418 = ;.
1419 = ;.
1420 = ;.

1421 = -.-
1424 = ^o^
1425 = ^o^
1430 = ^o^
1431 = O_O
1432 = r.r
1433 = r.r
1435 = ;.
1436 = -.-
1440 = O_O
1442 = ^o^
1444 = -.-
1445 = ;.
1446 = r.r
1452 = ;.
1454 = -.-
1456 = r.r
1461 = ;.
1463 =
1464 = ^o^
1466 = r.r
1468 = O_O
1469 = O_O
1472 = -.-
1473 = -.-
1474 = =_=
1478 = saturn
1479 = ^o^
1482 = =_=
1485 = ;.
1486 = ;.
1487 = ;.
1489 = -.-
1490 = ;.
1491 = -.-
1494 = r.r
1495 = O_O
1496 = ;.
1497 = ^o^
1500 = r.r
1501 = ;.
1502 = =_=
1504 = ^o^
1506 = -.-
1509 = O_O
1512 = r.r
1514 = -.-
1515 = ;.
1518 = -.-
1520 = ^o^
1523 = -.-
1525 = O_O
1527 =
1528 = O_O
1529 = -.-
1530 = r.r
1531 = ;.
1534 = ^o^
1536 = -.-
1537 = ;.
1538 = ^o^
1542 = ^o^
1543 = O_O
1546 =
1547 = -.-
1549 = r.r
1551 = ^o^
1552 = O_O
1557 = r.r
1564 = ^o^
1565 = ^o^
1566 = r.r
1571 = -.-
1572 = -.-
1574 = r.r
1575 =
1576 = -.-
1577 = r.r
1580 = -.-
1582 = -.-
1584 =
1585 = r.r
1586 = -.-
1587 = r.r
1590 = -.-
1593 = =_=
1596 = O_O
1597 = -.-
1600 =
1602 = =_=
1605 = -.-
1607 = ^o^
1608 = -.-
1609 = ;.
1614 = r.r
1617 = r.r
1618 = r.r
1621 = r.r
1622 = ;.
1623 = ^o^
1624 = r.r
1625 = r.r
1626 = =_=
1632 = ;.
1633 = -.-
1634 = r.r
1636 = ^o^
1642 =
1646 = -.-
1650 = ;.
1651 = ^o^
1652 = -.-
1654 = r.r
1655 = ;.
1657 = O_O
1662 = -.-
1663 = r.r
1666 = ;.
1676 = r.r
1677 = -.-
1680 =
1681 = O_O
1683 = O_O
1685 = ^o^
1687 = r.r
1692 = r.r
1694 = ^o^
1698 = O_O
1699 = r.r
1700 = r.r
1702 = saturn
1703 = r.r
1705 = -.-
1706 = ^o^
1714 = O_O
1718 = ;.
1720 = r.r
1722 = ^o^
1723 = ^o^
1724 = ;.
1728 = ^o^
1729 = ;.
1733 = O_O
1734 = r.r
1736 = ;.
1738 = ^o^
1739 = -.-
1744 = ^o^
1747 = ;.
1749 = =_=
1752 = O_O
1753 = ^o^
1754 = =_=
1755 = -.-
1759 = ;.
1760 = ^o^
1761 = ^o^
1762 = -.-
1766 = ^o^
1769 = =_=
1772 = r.r
1775 = O_O
1776 = r.r
1778 = =_=
1780 = ^o^
1787 = r.r
1790 = =_=
1793 = -.-
1800 = ;.
1803 = ;.
1808 = ;.
1809 = ;.
1813 = -.-
1818 = -.-
1824 = r.r
1826 = r.r
1828 = r.r
1835 = O_O
1837 = O_O
1839 = ^o^
1842 = r.r
1845 = -.-
1846 = -.-
1851 = ;.
1857 = -.-
1860 = O_O
1861 = bobomb
1862 = ;.
1865 = O_O
1866 = ^o^
1867 = saturn
1869 = ;.
1870 = O_O
1871 = O_O
1875 =
1877 = -.-
1890 = O_O
1891 = ;.
1893 = O_O
1895 =
1896 = O_O
1902 =
1904 = -.-
1905 = -.-
1909 = ;.
1912 = =_=
1916 =
1922 = r.r
1925 = O_O
1928 = -.-
1929 = ;.
1930 = ;.
1936 = ^o^
1938 = r.r
1940 = ;.
1941 = -.-
1949 = -.-
1951 = r.r
1953 = -.-
1957 = r.r
1962 = r.r
1964 = -.-
1970 = r.r
1971 = r.r
1973 = ^o^
1976 = ;.
1978 = ^o^
1979 = =_=
1984 = r.r
1985 = O_O
1986 = -.-
1989 = -.-
1990 = ^o^
1991 = -.-
1993 = ;.
1994 =
2001 = =_=
2002 = -.-
2005 = ;.
2007 = ;.
2008 = -.-
2010 = ;.
2011 = ;.
2012 = -.-
2013 = O_O
2014 = ;.

2018 = =_=
2019 = sabre

2020 = r.r
2024 = ^o^
2027 = r.r
2028 = O_O
2029 = ^o^
2034 = -.-
2035 = -.-
2037 = O_O
2038 = ;.
2043 = -.-
2044 = ;.
2050 =
2053 = -.-
2054 = r.r
2056 = O_O
2057 = ;.
2058 = =_=
2061 = ;.
2064 = O_O
2065 = ^o^
2069 = =_=
2073 = O_O
2077 = ^o^
2080 = r.r
2086 = O_O
2091 = r.r
2093 = ^o^
2099 = ;.
2100 = ;.
2102 = -.-
2106 = O_O
2107 = -.-
2111 = ;.
2112 = ;.
2114 = r.r
2115 = ;.
2116 = -.-
2117 = ;.
2119 = r.r
2122 = -.-
2123 = ^o^
2124 = r.r
2126 = ^o^
2128 = -.-
2129 = -.-
2131 = r.r
2133 = ^o^
2134 = O_O
2135 = r.r
2136 = -.-
2137 = ;.
2138 = O_O
2140 = ;.
2141 = -.-
2142 = r.r
2147 = ;.
2149 =
2159 = ;.
2160 = -.-
2162 = -.-
2168 = r.r
2169 = -.-
2170 = ^o^
2171 = ^o^
2177 = r.r
2178 = r.r
2187 = r.r
2189 = r.r
2190 = O_O
2191 =
2192 = -.-
2193 = -.-
2194 = ^o^
2196 = o_o
2203 = ;.
2208 = ;.
2211 = ;.
2216 = ;.
2219 = O_O
2224 = ^o^
2226 = r.r
2230 = r.r
2236 = r.r
2237 = ;.
2238 = r.r
2239 = -.-
2240 = -.-
2241 = O_O
2242 = ^o^
2243 = ;.
2245 =
2247 = O_O
2248 = r.r
2249 = ;.
2250 = -.-
2251 = r.r
2256 = ;.
2257 =
2259 = r.r
2261 = -.-
2262 = -.-
2264 = O_O
2266 = ;.
2270 = O_O
2275 = r.r
2276 = -.-
2280 =
2281 = r.r
2285 = -.-
2287 = =_=
2288 =
2293 = ;.
2296 = O_O
2298 = r.r
2305 = ;.
2306 = bobomb
2307 = r.r
2309 = O_O
2310 = -.-
2311 = O_O
2317 = r.r
2318 =
2320 = O_O
2322 = -.-
2330 = -.-
2331 =
2332 = O_O

2334 = =_=
2335 = =_=

2336 = [/COLLAPSE]

 

[t3h Icy]

Just a thought; if it were possible to figure out how to abuse the RNG, buffering rolls and spotdodges followed by rapidly pressing Down B might be abusable if there's a high concentration of Stitchfaces/Bombs.

Awesome work!

 

[Vestboy_Myst]

Just a thought; if it were possible to figure out how to abuse the RNG, buffering rolls and spotdodges followed by rapidly pressing Down B might be abusable if there's a high concentration of Stitchfaces/Bombs.

Awesome work!

interesting thought. any idea how melee reads the buffered inputs / how they would effect RNG? if its truly RNG, is there any way to manipulate the seed value?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Peaches in the lab I see

 

[Vestboy_Myst]

i asked IE6 about the pseudo-randomness of melee. he said in many cases it depends on a unique value set by the save state, in addition to the total number of frames since boot and a whole slew of other values. it will be near impossible to detect a pattern if that is the case.