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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
- Thread starter Scar
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What if you grab her first? Then she gone.
tubes
Smash Ace
I actually have been having alot of trouble comboing peach off a grab at low percents. I'll try an uair and it seems as if the blow just doesn't even phase Peach or some **** cuz the next aerial I'll try gets nairs to the face. It's like she can crouch cancel mid-air or some ****.
Is there a somewhat reliable way to 0-death Peach off a grab? I don't care if it's DI dependent.
wow youre really getting mad at that?
first off im puerto rican, were all black
my dad's side is black puerto rican
im comfortable saying it because i dont mean anything by it
its really not a big deal and saying it shouldnt bother anyone
we say **** every 5 seconds, and we dont give a crap about that
someone whos been ***** would cry everytime they see that we just throw around that word
this is smash not politics
gotta be kidding me
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
From my experience, falcon's dthrow turns into a sort of rock-paper-scissors sitation, where peach winning is her landing a nair, falcon winning is him following up, and peach getting away unscathed would be a tie
when I play against falcon, I usually DI the dthrow in at zero, he jumps forward and hits me with the first hit of the nair, and then I nair out. the proper way to punish inward DI at zero is to do a standing sh nair, peach pretty much soaks up that hit and you're set for a followup. I usually nair out after that, LOL, but I'm sure you can do something
If he's reading that, I'll DI it out, and tech appropriately. It's hard for falcon to follow up when I DI out if he doesn't expect it, but if he does and I miss the tech, then I'm ****ed.
Just to clear up the rumor, dair does not do that well vs a recovering peach. The umbrella is a pretty big disjointed hitbox, and she rises suprisingly fast, so whenever a falcon tries to look cool like scar and do something to dair, I up-b into them before the attack comes out or before they fastfall. It's still an option because she cannot do an aerial while recovering unless she floats. I consider it more of a rushdown tactic on a peach than an actual kill move, sort of a gimmick kill.
Peach is a dumb hoe
also mash return to look cool like mango
when I play against falcon, I usually DI the dthrow in at zero, he jumps forward and hits me with the first hit of the nair, and then I nair out. the proper way to punish inward DI at zero is to do a standing sh nair, peach pretty much soaks up that hit and you're set for a followup. I usually nair out after that, LOL, but I'm sure you can do something
If he's reading that, I'll DI it out, and tech appropriately. It's hard for falcon to follow up when I DI out if he doesn't expect it, but if he does and I miss the tech, then I'm ****ed.
Just to clear up the rumor, dair does not do that well vs a recovering peach. The umbrella is a pretty big disjointed hitbox, and she rises suprisingly fast, so whenever a falcon tries to look cool like scar and do something to dair, I up-b into them before the attack comes out or before they fastfall. It's still an option because she cannot do an aerial while recovering unless she floats. I consider it more of a rushdown tactic on a peach than an actual kill move, sort of a gimmick kill.
Peach is a dumb hoe
also mash return to look cool like mango
xXx-NoobKing-xXx
Smash Hero
I agree, Vwins and Bam 6 stocked ss & tang. Haven't seen that in teams b4
lol, you *******
D
Deleted member
Guest
the key is to trade the umbrella with a stomp as she first uses it in an attempt to sweet spot the edge
most peaches will be so suprirsed that they won't meteor it, even if they do, you just added 16% damage and you are pretty much safe
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Idolization? That's how Mango types.
Magus420
Smash Master
If Peach DIs the d-throw in at 0% they can just hold up against a SH n-air to avoid the 2nd hit without even needing to SDI it. It's the type of situation that's great for the FJ or instant DJ to FF n-air I was talking about before though. Even if they SDI the 1st kick it'll still get the 2nd hit if you do it right.
Off a grab at like 0-10ish, if they DI the FJ-FF/IDJ-FF n-air low you can FJ double u-air, and if they DI the n-air high you can FJ double u-air or if they were at almost 0 when you grabbed you could also SHFFL u-air to FJ double u-air. When she's at around 20+% she can't n-air between the u-airs in a FJ double u-air, and d-throw->FJ/IDJ FF n-air gets her to that percent and in the right position for it when they DI the throw high at very low damage.
___ DI N-Air High -> FJ Dbl U-Air _____ DI N-Air High -> SHFFL U-Air -> FJ Dbl U-Air
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____ DI N-Air Low -> FJ Dbl U-Air
____ U-Air -> Not Enough Hitstun
Grab on Peach below 15%
You can try to regrab if they DI the throw low until like 30/40ish, though it's not entirely guaranteed and it's possible to DJ/wiggle to airdodge away to escape if they DI it low enough.
If they DI to be just above regrab height you can space a SH n-air since it has more vertical range at his feet, but if they SDI it up (holding up doesn't work) they'll still be able to avoid the 2nd hit. If they do this I don't think you can really do any good followups on the throw at very low damage that lead into more things besides maybe weird stuff like a pivot b-air, or IDJ d-air over her into a techchase (you go over n-air range). If you try to FJ/IDJ FF n-air the 1st kick will go over them and miss so you can't use that.
An u-air off a d-throw at 0% at best has you getting out of lcancel lag at the same time she gets out of stun (gif at the bottom), so you'd need to space it and then try to work around what she does afterwards to get something else in. If she DI's the u-air low off a grab at around like 10 or so you should be to get a JC grab off, though if she DI's the u-air high you can't hit her.
Grab on Peach after 15%
U-air actually has some stun at this point so out of the throw you can start to u-air->regrab/FJ dbl u-air, or straight FJ dbl u-air depending on DI. Don't bother with n-air since if they DI it high at this damage you won't get as much off it as you would an u-air.
Off a grab at like 0-10ish, if they DI the FJ-FF/IDJ-FF n-air low you can FJ double u-air, and if they DI the n-air high you can FJ double u-air or if they were at almost 0 when you grabbed you could also SHFFL u-air to FJ double u-air. When she's at around 20+% she can't n-air between the u-airs in a FJ double u-air, and d-throw->FJ/IDJ FF n-air gets her to that percent and in the right position for it when they DI the throw high at very low damage.
___ DI N-Air High -> FJ Dbl U-Air _____ DI N-Air High -> SHFFL U-Air -> FJ Dbl U-Air
____ DI N-Air Low -> FJ Dbl U-Air
____ U-Air -> Not Enough Hitstun
Grab on Peach below 15%
You can try to regrab if they DI the throw low until like 30/40ish, though it's not entirely guaranteed and it's possible to DJ/wiggle to airdodge away to escape if they DI it low enough.
If they DI to be just above regrab height you can space a SH n-air since it has more vertical range at his feet, but if they SDI it up (holding up doesn't work) they'll still be able to avoid the 2nd hit. If they do this I don't think you can really do any good followups on the throw at very low damage that lead into more things besides maybe weird stuff like a pivot b-air, or IDJ d-air over her into a techchase (you go over n-air range). If you try to FJ/IDJ FF n-air the 1st kick will go over them and miss so you can't use that.
An u-air off a d-throw at 0% at best has you getting out of lcancel lag at the same time she gets out of stun (gif at the bottom), so you'd need to space it and then try to work around what she does afterwards to get something else in. If she DI's the u-air low off a grab at around like 10 or so you should be to get a JC grab off, though if she DI's the u-air high you can't hit her.
Grab on Peach after 15%
U-air actually has some stun at this point so out of the throw you can start to u-air->regrab/FJ dbl u-air, or straight FJ dbl u-air depending on DI. Don't bother with n-air since if they DI it high at this damage you won't get as much off it as you would an u-air.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
That's how Magus wins discussions. He ***** you with science!
Tomacawk
Smash Master
MAGUS
****
Magus says something ridiculous
people call him dumb
turns out he's ****ing right
GG
****
Magus says something ridiculous
people call him dumb
turns out he's ****ing right
GG
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
magus delete that post before the peach players read it and learn how to escape our combos
just kidding but seriously, epic post <3
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
I ****ing hate peach.
get rid of the prerape evidence
get rid of the prerape evidence
Afro_Chris
Smash Ace
Magus ur ****ing awsome
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
Full jump nair.
Who woulda guessed.
Who woulda guessed.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I would, I do it with Ganon all the time.. if I was a Falcon main, I would do it lol.
tubes
Smash Ace
Looks like I got some studying to do later today. Thanks Magus.
datstupidmarth
Smash Cadet
wat is c.falcon's best move
SuperMatt
Smash Champion
tipper f-smash
Scar
#HarveyDent
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
magus isnt human, hes a robot that lives only to promote frame data of SWF
Fortress | Sveet
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should be changed from smashboards to magusboards
thumbswayup
Smash Master
Best post in the thread. I also love Magus for always using the green Falcon :DIf Peach DIs the d-throw in at 0% they can just hold up against a SH n-air to avoid the 2nd hit without even needing to SDI it. It's the type of situation that's great for the FJ or instant DJ to FF n-air I was talking about before though. Even if they SDI the 1st kick it'll still get the 2nd hit if you do it right.
Off a grab at like 0-10ish, if they DI the FJ-FF/IDJ-FF n-air low you can FJ double u-air, and if they DI the n-air high you can FJ double u-air or if they were at almost 0 when you grabbed you could also SHFFL u-air to FJ double u-air. When she's at around 20+% she can't n-air between the u-airs in a FJ double u-air, and d-throw->FJ/IDJ FF n-air gets her to that percent and in the right position for it when they DI the throw high at very low damage.
________ DI N-Air High -> FJ Dbl U-Air ________ DI N-Air High -> SHFFL U-Air -> FJ Dbl U-Air
________ DI N-Air Low -> FJ Dbl U-Air
___________ U-Air -> No Hitstun
Grab on Peach below 15%
You can try to regrab if they DI the throw low until like 30/40ish, though it's not entirely guaranteed and it's possible to DJ/wiggle to airdodge away to escape if they DI it low enough.
If they DI to be just above regrab height you can space a SH n-air since it has more vertical range at his feet, but if they SDI it up (holding up doesn't work) they'll still be able to avoid the 2nd hit. If they do this I don't think you can really do any good followups on the throw at very low damage that lead into more things besides maybe weird stuff like a pivot b-air, or IDJ d-air over her into a techchase (you go over n-air range). If you try to FJ/IDJ FF n-air the 1st kick will go over them and miss so you can't use that.
An u-air off a d-throw at 0% at best has you getting out of lcancel lag at the same time she gets out of stun (gif at the bottom), so you'd need to space it and then try to work around what she does afterwards to get something else in. If she DI's the u-air low off a grab at around like 10 or so you should be to get a JC grab off, though if she DI's the u-air high you can't hit her.
Grab on Peach after 15%
U-air actually has some stun at this point so out of the throw you can start to u-air->regrab/FJ dbl u-air, or straight FJ dbl u-air depending on DI. Don't bother with n-air since if they DI it high at this damage you won't get as much off it as you would an u-air.
g-regulate
Smash Hero
and thus, peach sucks
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
i agree with sveet
magusboards it shall be
magusboards it shall be
Scar
#HarveyDent
**** you guys it's my thread
plus i don't think those GIFs are accurate
plus i don't think those GIFs are accurate
Tomacawk
Smash Master
lol scar you will never be magus but that doesn't mean you aren't useful
falcons best move is grab
falcons best move is grab
Scar
#HarveyDent
yo magus can CF grab a crouching jiggs or sheik if he doesn't jc
Ndot
Smash Journeyman
Wow ****, Magus and his awesome post.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
Scar we love you, don't be jealous.
Its just magus only comes and visits every once and a while, so we get excited to see him when he gets here.
You're still our favorite, we just take you for granted.
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ok so Ive been trolling the falco boards and i've discovered that mogwai and dr pp are going to get together @ pound 4 and discuss all kinds of devious ways to destroy us falcon mains. Everyone who is going to pound 4 (Hax, Scar, etc) need to find me on Day 1 (Ill be the guy in the purple Adrian Peterson Vikings jersey) I have formulated a plan to stop this nasty collab that is going to occur, but I'll need some help!
Its just magus only comes and visits every once and a while, so we get excited to see him when he gets here.
You're still our favorite, we just take you for granted.
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ok so Ive been trolling the falco boards and i've discovered that mogwai and dr pp are going to get together @ pound 4 and discuss all kinds of devious ways to destroy us falcon mains. Everyone who is going to pound 4 (Hax, Scar, etc) need to find me on Day 1 (Ill be the guy in the purple Adrian Peterson Vikings jersey) I have formulated a plan to stop this nasty collab that is going to occur, but I'll need some help!
tubes
Smash Ace
Also Magus' posts have gifs and walls of purple. Who wouldn't get excited?
GamerGuitarist7
Smash Champion
i like your avatar, tubes
voorhese
Smash Master
hey i found out that if u chase someone who is in the air, you can basicly jab reset them, except with a nair thats fast falled fast enough that only 1 hit hits