The Lycia Alliance: Roy Legacy Support Thread

[Steelia]

Do you guys think if Mewtwo returned Roy should as well?

If light of recent discussions, if Dr. Mario of all vets could return, Roy should be able to as well. He still has his distinct playstyle of "the closer you are to him, the stronger his attacks are" that none of the other swordsmen have (Ike might, but not to this obvious extreme), and with Lucina being the full-on Marth clone, Roy could be changed up like how the Project M team handled him.

Frankly, he could be made to be one of the most unique sword wielders; the Sword of Seals acts as both a great short-ranged AND longer-ranged weapon, able to spew fire from the blade to hit foes further from him. That'd be amazing to see incorporated. Even having his sword become engulfed in flames while he uses strong attacks would be awesome. It's a shame Sakurai doesn't see the same potential, probably still looking at him as merely an outdated promotional character. Roy's a pretty cool dude.

 

[Psionic]

Do you guys think if Mewtwo returned Roy should as well?

i can understand why people want him back in, but i really don't want him back all that much.

 

[Roy-Kun]

No, Leif is the worst. At least Roy has growths and stats, Leif has Jeigan growths, in other words, almost nothing, and he needs to be in every level of the game, and because AI likes to gang **** lords and the RNG is really cruel in Thracia, Leif will die and die like a billion times. Roy has nothing interesting to look at other that he has a harem composed by a stalker nomad, a pegasus knight, a mage princess that is his potential cousin, a pleasure dancer, a half dragon and his pervert teacher. And he has red hair. With this presented, Chrom looks boring in comparison.

Don't forget the flaming sword. Don't forget the fire!

I like Roy for a million other reasons though, but at least design wise he's different than the traditional blue-haired Lord. And ever since Melee, I really liked his clothes. Plus, that DLC design -even if it's just a Merc's design- is very well done, if he was older, he'd definitely look awesome like that.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

If light of recent discussions, if Dr. Mario of all vets could return, Roy should be able to as well.

Even though I know that the 'leaker' chose Dr. Mario deliberately to exploit Sakurai's "If two characters have a slight difference between them, I give them a separate character slot" quote, I do think that a cut Melee veteran would be a great addition, and I have no doubts that this veteran is part of Melee's Forbidden Seven Trio: Roy Mewtwo and Dr. Mario. I guess there's no doubting that Mewtwo will return, but I think it'd be nice if Roy was brought back too.

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

Goddamn it; all these leaks, and we still don't know if Roy's gonna make it.
I'm losing hope.

 

[LonelyJaguar]

I'm not holding my breath, honestly. I'd LOVE for him to return since he's my bb boytoyroy but I'm keeping my expectations low.

 

[•Col•]

Goddamn it; all these leaks, and we still don't know if Roy's gonna make it.
I'm losing hope.

Well, since the leak is looking more and more real, it matches up with the Ninka leak.. There was this bit of info:

-Each character gets 8 alternate costumes, whether they be pallet swaps or new costumes.
-Alph appears as 4 of Olimar's costumes, while the other 4 are Olimar's.
-Bowser Jr appears as a new comer and allegedly fights from a mario kart... has no alt colors, but instead has the 7 koopalings as alts.

So, despite what Sakurai said before regarding the not-wanting-to-make-seperate-characters-be-alternate-costumes talk, it seems there are going to be some in the game.. I don't think it's impossible for Roy to be an alt. of Marth or Lucina.

 

[Psionic]

Well, since the leak is looking more and more real, it matches up with the Ninka leak.. There was this bit of info:



So, despite what Sakurai said before regarding the not-wanting-to-make-seperate-characters-be-alternate-costumes talk, it seems there are going to be some in the game.. I don't think it's impossible for Roy to be an alt. of Marth or Lucina.

I WANT TO BELIEVE

 

[Skyfox2000]

So Dr. Mario got in over Roy. What a Shame!

 

[GunBlaze]

So Dr. Mario got in over Roy. What a Shame!

Still uncertain

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Goddamn it; all these leaks, and we still don't know if Roy's gonna make it.
I'm losing hope.

It's sad, isn't it? ;_: I think I'm now the only person left on the planet who wants Roy back in Super Smash Bros...

 

[Hellrazor]

So, despite what Sakurai said before regarding the not-wanting-to-make-seperate-characters-be-alternate-costumes talk, it seems there are going to be some in the game.. I don't think it's impossible for Roy to be an alt. of Marth or Lucina.

Y'know, since we don't know anything about Lucina other than her strongly clone-like feel, it might just be that she's designed to go in close, which would make Roy a very possible alt (Robin may not be the only gender bender around here).

 

[K41N570RM]

It's sad, isn't it? ;_: I think I'm now the only person left on the planet who wants Roy back in Super Smash Bros...

Trust me, you're not the only one man, I'd love it if he were to come back but honestly it seems like it could be a possibility

 

[SchAlternate]

It's sad, isn't it? ;_: I think I'm now the only person left on the planet who wants Roy back in Super Smash Bros...

Don't worry, ya ain't alone.

 

[Skyfox2000]

I hope Roy makes it in somehow. Out of all the Melee Veterans why choose Dr. Mario?

 

[EmeraldDragonair]

I'm doubtful on Roy. We seem to have 5 characters left after the leak, and given we already have 4 FE characters, Wolf and Lucas seem more likely as far as semi/Quasi/whateveri-clones go. Mewtwo must return if anyone from melee does. So we're probably down to 2 character slots for Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Roy, Pichu, Young Link and Ice Climbers.

Ice Climbers override Roy unless there is technical difficulties keeping them out altogether, and while Roy is probably 2nd most likely on that list, it would only take 1/2 more non-leaked newcomers to kill him. (Dixie, K. Rool, Isaac, etc) It just doesn't seem likely he'll be back.

IF DLC happens Roy will probably be in the first batch. Thats as much as I can see as of now. (But then I once laughed at Dark Pit supporters, so what would I know)

As for Why Dr.M got in over Roy, I assume a FLUDDless Mario was considered more important, especially given Mario doesn't have a "clone".

 

[Psionic]

I'm doubtful on Roy. We seem to have 5 characters left after the leak, and given we already have 4 FE characters, Wolf and Lucas seem more likely as far as semi/Quasi/whateveri-clones go. Mewtwo must return if anyone from melee does. So we're probably down to 2 character slots for Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Roy, Pichu, Young Link and Ice Climbers.

Ice Climbers override Roy unless there is technical difficulties keeping them out altogether, and while Roy is probably 2nd most likely on that list, it would only take 1/2 more non-leaked newcomers to kill him. (Dixie, K. Rool, Isaac, etc) It just doesn't seem likely he'll be back.

IF DLC happens Roy will probably be in the first batch. Thats as much as I can see as of now. (But then I once laughed at Dark Pit supporters, so what would I know)

As for Why Dr.M got in over Roy, I assume a FLUDDless Mario was considered more important, especially given Mario doesn't have a "clone".

i would say he's third most likely on that list, with ice climbers being the most and snake being a close second.

 

[ErenJager]

Roy still has a chance, we have that possibility that characters will appear as alt costumes, on the off chance that Sakurai decides to disregard his old move set and make him a Lucina, Marth, or Ike Full Clone.

We also have the whisperings of DLC.

One thing I will say the inclusion of Dr. Mario (a melee vet) means good things for other melee vets.

Perhaps Pichu, Young Link, and Roy will be costumes.

 

[SchAlternate]

I'd rather have Roy not appearing instead of him being doomed to be nothing more than a costume. He honestly deserves more than the other cut clones; he at least manages to play very differently from his base.

 

[SmasherP83]

I'd rather have Roy not appearing instead of him being doomed to be nothing more than a costume. He honestly deserves more than the other cut clones; he at least manages to play very differently from his base.

All I see is flames come out his sword which Ike already has so yeah. Honestly I prefer better (no offense) lords than him.

 

[Hydde]

No one else have thought as Roy returning as an IKE clone instead of a marth clone?.

I can totally see this happening taking in account the fire blades of both. ROy would be a faster weaker version of Ike´s

 

[SchAlternate]

All I see is flames come out his sword which Ike already has so yeah. Honestly I prefer better (no offense) lords than him.

Roy's gameplay differs vastly from Marth's for one tiny reason: the placement of the sweetspot in his blade. Marth's power is focused on the tip, allowing him to overthrowing his opponents by keeping them from a safe distance, which is aided by his speed and decent recovery. Roy's power is concentrated on the hilt, meaning he has to get at point-blank range to be more effective, which is hindered by his lack of speed and awful recovery, making him a living double-edged sword.

Plus, fire has additional effects other than aesthetic (not to mention the fact that Ike only has one fire attack, and he never uses [red] fire in his game, unlike Roy).

 

[Psionic]

I'd rather have Roy not appearing instead of him being doomed to be nothing more than a costume. He honestly deserves more than the other cut clones; he at least manages to play very differently from his base.

he doesn't deserve more recognition than all of them. as much as i mained him in melee and main him in P:M, he doesn't seem likely when you realize that there's another marth clone already, there are 4 FE reps, and on top of this, the common opinion of roy is "a ****tier marth with red hair and a headband who isn't even good in his own game." i've played his game, and it really doesn't make me want him in any less, but it's completely understandable how some people don't want him in. most of the western audience hasn't played FE6 or fire emblems released in japan only, so that leaves them with only and impression left from melee, which is "a ****tier marth with red hair and a headband. also, there's literally no way that roy deserves a spot more than lucas or wolf. i want roy in a lot, but it's not happening.

 

[SchAlternate]

By cut clones I was referring the ones in Melee. You know, Dr. Mario, Young Link and Pichu. Sure, all of them (Roy included) are from franchises that don't really need more "representation", but at least Roy stands out from the lot for at least being a separate entity from his base (as so are Falco and Ganondorf).

And by deserving, I wasn't necessarily talking about recognition, I meant that if he were to come back, he should return with several improvements, to solidify who he is in Smash; a double-edged, hi risk hi reward type of character, a trait that usually isn't seen being what truly defines a character in Smash. In other words, making him his own character, no longer overshadowed by Marth. In my eyes, he has the potential to do that.

Plus, not everyone in the world hates Roy in Melee because not everyone in the world have to play according to what the tiers say, and not everyone necessarily hates him because of how lackluster he is in his game. There is some demand for him, albeit not as vocal as that for other characters.

I do concede that he doesn't deserve a spot over Wolf or Lucas, but neither did, supposedly, Dr. Mario. Plus, we have yet to learn if they were truly disconfirmed anyway (that is to say, their removal is yet to be confirmed).

In the end, though, it wouldn't really matter that much what I think, he's pretty much boned. But hey, having even a sliver of optimism isn't hazardous...

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

By cut clones I was referring the ones in Melee. You know, Dr. Mario, Young Link and Pichu. Sure, all of them (Roy included) are from franchises that don't really need more "representation", but at least Roy stands out from the lot for at least being a separate entity from his base (as so are Falco and Ganondorf).

He's also one of the two secret characters that were added to the game which were originally supposed to stay Japan-only, but thankfully caught on with Nintendo of America to be in the localised versions. Had they stayed Japan-exclusive, Fire Emblem wouldn't be as popular as it is today, and that's thanks to the inclusion of Marth and Roy in Melee. Two newcomers representing their series for the first time in Super Smash Bros and representing their series as a whole to the western audience. I bet that without them, these three wouldn't even be half the characters that they are today.

By the way, I just want to bring up this point: Is Roy more liked by the Japanese players of Fire Emblem?

 

[SchAlternate]

He's also one of the two secret characters that were added to the game which were originally supposed to stay Japan-only, but thankfully caught on with Nintendo of America to be in the localised versions. Had they stayed Japan-exclusive, Fire Emblem wouldn't be as popular as it is today, and that's thanks to the inclusion of Marth and Roy in Melee. Two newcomers representing their series for the first time in Super Smash Bros and representing their series as a whole to the western audience. I bet that without them, these three wouldn't even be half the characters that they are today.

By the way, I just want to bring up this point: Is Roy more liked by the Japanese players of Fire Emblem?

That's one of the reasons I would consider Roy important to the franchise, since he, along with Marth, technically were the ones that made the FE series reach overseas. So, in a sense, he deserves to get at least some recognition, at least an acknowledgement of what his inclusion in Melee meant to the franchise.

That's just what I think, though.

 

[ZeldaFan01]

I really don't know if Roy will be in as there are already 4 FE reps...and I'm not sure what their limit is going to be. I'm still but hurt Lyndis isn't playable even if her game was from 10 years ago. But I'm sure there are people like me wishing that Roy and Lyndis were announced instead of Lucina and Robin.

 

[SchAlternate]

To be honest I was actually hoping Robin would show up as an Awakening rep, mostly because he/she's actually pretty awesome, but mostly to avoid Chrom from getting in.

Lucina kinda made that idea sink, but I was pretty satisfied, regardless.

(I was kinda hoping for Roy to show up somewhere in the trailer though... *wishful thinking*)

 

[LonelyJaguar]

All I see is flames come out his sword which Ike already has so yeah.

What an ignorant thing to say.

 

[Psionic]

What an ignorant thing to say.

i don't think he meant that as a bad thing. i think he was just pointing out that other than roy's slightly different sweet spot and general stats, that's the only real aesthetic difference between he and marth.

 

[SchAlternate]

Like I said, his different sweetspot, as minimal as it may sound, does affect the way both characters play. Marth has keep the oppenents from a distance for a safer and effective fight, encouraging the player to strike without being at much risk. Roy, on the other hand, has to rush into the foe recklessly to dish out brutal damage, forcing one to play very carefully, knowing they're in a bad position all the time.

Or at least, that's the way I see it.

 

[GalacticPetey]

The difference is that Marth uses a sword and Roy uses a pool noodle.

Nah, I'm only messing with you. I can see Roy as possible DLC but not much else.

 

[•Col•]

No one else have thought as Roy returning as an IKE clone instead of a marth clone?.

I can totally see this happening taking in account the fire blades of both. ROy would be a faster weaker version of Ike´s

It's possible. Would just be weird since Roy can't actually use Aether. Other than that it'd make sense.

Especially considering they were both considered Hero classes in Awakening. I wouldn't actually be surprised at all to see an Awakening Roy alt for Ike.

 

[JanitorOfHyrule]

As much as i want Roy to return were not gonna get him in ssb4 my proof of this well... Lucina plays alot like Roy, since Lucina is a Marth clone we don't need another one, Fire emblem has enough reps, finally if Roy was gonna be in ssb4 he would probably be an alt for marth.

 

[Hellrazor]

As much as i want Roy to return were not gonna get him in ssb4 my proof of this well... Lucina plays alot like Roy, since Lucina is a Marth clone we don't need another one, Fire emblem has enough reps, finally if Roy was gonna be in ssb4 he would probably be an alt for marth.

Why do so many people assume Roy absolutely must be a standalone character? The fact that Lucina doesn't have a tipper makes it all the more believable that an alt costume would make sense. Just an effect/model/SFX swap like PM did with Dr. Mario, essentially, but on Lucina + name change (something we've already seen with Zelda/Sheik and PKMN Trainer). If Robin can have a female costume, I'm sure Lucina could have her hair shortened, recolored, gear swapped, etc. The potential!

 

[EmeraldDragonair]

Why do so many people assume Roy absolutely must be a standalone character? The fact that Lucina doesn't have a tipper makes it all the more believable that an alt costume would make sense. Just an effect/model/SFX swap like PM did with Dr. Mario, essentially, but on Lucina + name change (something we've already seen with Zelda/Sheik and PKMN Trainer). If Robin can have a female costume, I'm sure Lucina could have her hair shortened, recolored, gear swapped, etc. The potential!

This actually could be one reason why Lucina was separated into her own character. A lot of people wanted the Marth - tipper moveset back, so maybe Roy and Lucina were both going to be Marth alts, but Sakurai decided against it, so spun them both off into another character. Lucina is the "default" because she is a newcomer and Awakening is recent. (I'm curious as to how All-Star mode will handle this though - probably just ignore Roy). I would be surprised if Lucina didn't at least get Roy's fire moves as customs, so it would only be fitting that she has a Roy costume.

 

[NotLightningRunner]

We could all just say #Hope4Roy or #Hope4Mewtwo in hopes to get them.

 

[pokeman2223]

#hope for mewtwo

 

[Lady Byakugan]

Roy's only hope is as an alt costume :-(

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

Roy's only hope is as an alt costume :-(

Agree with this, sadly.
Just don't see the roster having 5 FE slots, even with potential DLC.

At least I'll get to play him when PM comes to Europe.