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As I'm sure you're all well aware, yesterday someone posted several potential screenshots depicting key aspects of the upcoming Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS. As there is enough potential evidence, the staff has decided to allow this thread to serve as a hub for it's discussion.
Just a quick couple things:
1. There still is a fair chance much of this is fake.
2. If real, there is still a large chance that these pictures do not portray everything.
3. Given the history of previous leak threads, the staff shall be monitoring this thread excessively, however, given the nature of what we could be dealing with we shall be slightly more lenient.
4. Keep discussion of the potential leak to this thread or the Leaks Social Group.
5. Global Rules
Some Further Updates: Another user by the name of NessInEagleland posted a statement that All-Star mode was locked in Smash for 3DS in the version the leak images came from. As evidence, he posted this photo
UPDATE: Full Image:
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NEW SECTION!!!!!
Confirmed Character Moves:
Bowser Jr:
- Lick attack (f-tilt)
- Paint Brush (u-tilt)
- Cannon (either neutral or side special)
- Eject (Up- Special). Bowser Jr Leaves car, car explodes after a second
- Tosses Koopa mechs
Shulk
- Ability to change modes confirmed (Blue and red seen thus far)
- Whirling sword swing (d-smash)
- Marth like recovery (up-special)
The official Leaker also stated additional characters will be added:
With these videos confirming the picture leaks, the following leak also becomes much more likely:
as this was posted long before the image leaks were shown. Notice the Bowser Jr move sets match what are see in the video.
(UPDATE: The confirming information ACTUALLY comes from Ninka's post, so these characters are NOT confirmed at this moment, however this info is still interesting)
If this leak is real, it means the following characters are the most likely ones who remain:
Last night a mysterious and confusing post was made on 4chan which showed the pictures of all the characters in previous smash games, as well as possible new characters. Many of the veterans had X's over them, while Mewtwo had a Question mark. The meaning of the question mark was never confirmed. The new characters all had new renderings, which made the leak interesting. This thread was started at this point.
This photo was then followed up soon with several more posts from various sources showing the character select screen, various menu's, stage selection, and what appeared to be an "introduction video" with character profiles moving across the lower screen. This gave us better images of the new renderings. On top of that, another post was made that listed DLC characters, which can also be found in the opening post.
A little bit later, even more photos appeared, this time on Gamefaqs which showed some photos of a battle. However, the quality was very low and the characters appeared to be very similar to Brawl models, even down to the motions. What made this more troubling is that these pictures include a full rendering of the Ganondorf image, which on the character select screen only showed his face, and was darkened. This new image was clearly of the same model, and also better quality, meaning all the images were derived from the same source.
Neo Zero was able to find the original leaker. The original leaker only took credit for the character select screen, the lower screen with duck hunt dog and the DLC.
Neo Zero also got "confirmation" from a source on facebook that the roster posted made sense. However, Neo Zero got confused as he was pursuing multiple avenues of researching this, and the source he heard from was only second hand. Neo Zero has not been able to get better information from a first hand source.
Neo Zero has been pursing information that leads him to question the validity of this leak. It appears it MIGHT be an elaborate, multi-man conspiracy, however he has been unable to find all the needed evidence to prove it is so. He is currently standing at 50/50 in his belief of this leak.
DLC characters included:
Snake
Wolf
Lucas
Ice Climbers
Chorus Men
Is this DLC real or fake?
Compared to the other leaks, the DLC had no pictures with them, only text. This makes them much more suspect. It has been said the leaker might have just been trying to screw with us since he knows he had our attention.
Further some mods have claimed that the DLC is not solid, though they have been holding back information as to why. You must remember that this information is sensitive and many people's jobs are on the line. The moderators DO know more than we do, as they have been in contact with the leakers, but they don't everything, and I don't believe the leakers themselves do either.
Additional Characters:
Before Ninka`s leak become a credible thing, there was a leak that aligned REALLY closely with Ninka that included the following characters:
Ridley
Dixie
Mewtwo
Chorus Men
Since there was no reason for them to align so close with Ninka, people believed there was validity to that leak.
Further, Neo Zero got a second hand source that there were additional characters not mentioned in this leak. These two things combined to suggest that these characters MIGHT be in. Neo Zero suggested that two additional characters, Mach Rider and Impa, are also possible characters. This comes from an apparent third leak that has not been released, however Neo Zero claims that this particular leak might be less reliable.
These characters are not confirmed in any way at the moment, either be the leak or any other means. However, they are not discounted either.
MASTERLINKX: A user on 4chan named MASTERLINKX was responsible for the third set of leaks, famous for the disablad error. MASTERLINKX has claimed that while the leak is real, he tampered with his leaks to attempt to throw people off of the trail. He knew someone would leak soon, though sooner than he had hoped and he did not have time to tamper with it enough.
Here is his posts on 4chan:
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Names to know:
Neo Zero: He is typically the moderator who investigates claims of leaks with his sources. He also looks for and interrogates leakers.
anon1776: The ************ Leaker. Confirmed by Neo Zero to be the same original leaker from 4chan. When asked if he could confirm if the roster shown is the final roster, anon said he could not
MASTERLINKX: The Third spoiler, who gave us the battle scenes. Claims to have faked the battle scenes, but based on real leaked images. Was attempting to discredit the leak and throw people off the scent in order to save people's jobs.
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The following are issues that have been brought up and discussed, hence these are NOT new to us. Please read through these before bringing up claims as new:
Ness' shirt: It has been noted that Ness' shirt has been very consistent in every smash game to date, with a little bet of yellow appearing in a curve at the bottom of his shirt. This is not here in the new image.
Possible counter: It is totally within the realm of possibilities that Sakurai and team have decided, despite being consistent up until now, to change the model.
Bonus Counter:
Though it's brief, Ness did NOT have his additional yellow stripe in the Melee introduction video
King Dedede's height: King Dedede appears taller in one of the scrolling character pictures but not the other
Counter: It's only an illusion, the pictures match up perfectly as seen here:
Shulk/Little Mac Match up: From this image, it can be seen that Little Mac and Shulk have similar facial features
Possible Counter: While they are indeed similar, they are both human characters, and that is INDEED how Shulk looks. While it's possible that the leaker used the Little Mac image as a basis for Shulk, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Sakurai and team might have done the same. Or another possibility is simply that it is simply a coincidence. It is also worth noting that the similarities actually begin and end with spacing. The eyes, nose and mouth are the same distances apart for both models. However, the shape of the nose, mouth, eyes, chin, and cheeks are indeed different. This might simply be due to the art style, rather than anything else.
Title screen names: The build at E3 had names on the title screen. This one does not.
Counter: Things can change. Whether things change in game, or things changed during development, both are possibilities.
Weird Character Placement: Yoshi is in the middle of of the Mario Team, while Shulk is with Third Parties.
Possible Counter: Hard to know what the development team/leaker were thinking, but one can only assume when the full roster is shown people are placed in a proper position. Or Sakurai and team have decided on a completely different layout to change things up. It's impossible to know what goes on behind the scenes.
The Character Screen is clearly just painted overtop an old one:
Counter: It actually took editing the image we had to make these line up so nicely. This is not how the original leak looked.
CSS Thick Lines: The thickness of the lines in two of the characters on the bottom screen are thicker than the others
Counter: This is actually more evidence FOR the leak. This is an actual glitch/feature of the game itself that no one noticed until this leak, as seen in several videos.
Found Doctor Mario/Bowser Jr's Similar image: Several images have been found that are "similar" to the characters
Counter: All of these images have been shown to have some pretty vast differences that would require tonnes of work to modify, such as changing the angle of the head or adjusting the clothing.
Here are some of the close calls for Dr. Mario
In BOTH cases there are some differences. For the Doctor Mario one, the angle of the head (can see an ear on Leak, not on older Doc. Stethoscope completely different etc. For the Mario one, head shape slightly different, different mouth shape, etc. They are both similar, even similar to EACH OTHER, which makes it seem much more likely a third one will show up similar to them both. But you can use your own judgement.
Further, various Mario models have been so similar to each other, one might be able to make the same argument with them:
Further, ALL of the Fire Emblem characters have their facial features match up:
Cuts/clones: Ridley/Worlf/Other Character can't be out of the game, Dr. Mario Dark Pit and Duck Hunt Dog cannot be in
Counter: This will NEVER be effective in proving a leak right or wrong.
Levels: The human players are given levels. This doesn't make any sense.
Counter: I have no real explanation except that maybe the game doesn't work as we might expect. There is plenty of information that Sakurai has clearly been keeping quiet. I don't know how the levels might work, but that doesn't mean it is fake.
I have come up with a few POSSIBILITIES, but this is just pure speculation. My attempt at an explanation include:
Perhaps after a fight they "rank" you, ranking your fighting ability against computer levels, and then show that level before the next fight.
Perhaps you can level characters up in multiplier that has an effect on your single player campaign.
Perhaps customizable moves need to be unlocked by leveling up your character.
Game and Watch: Game and Watch's model does not match what was shown at E3
Counter: I have no explanation for this, except that we do not know with certainty what models Sakurai will have chosen in the end. E3 was some time ago, and the trailer was made some time before that. A lot can happen in that time.
Game and Wario: Game and Watch's hand crosses over into Wario's box
Counter: Actually this is an illusion. Wario's shoulder is just dark, so it looks like Game and Watch's hand.
Disablad: At the bottom of the victory screen is the world Disablad, which should be disabled
Counter: I have no idea. It seems like an "a" for me, hard to argue otherwise. Games may have weird spelling mistakes before it's fully released. Ganondorf was misspelled for the Melee leaks back in the day before the game came out, but it was still real. But that's the best I got.
Update: MasterLinkX has come and out said that HE has made that change. While he says he will not be posting any additional pictures that have not been leaked (including the originals he has used) he apparently had already uploaded the following image to his tumblr:
Which does spell "disabled"
ESRB0083: The fighter's name is ESRB0083, but the ESRB does NOT actually play the game. This makes no sense.
Counter: There are a couple possible explanations, such as this part of a video that was given to ESRB, and Nintendo purposely put this name in to mark it so they would know where a leak came from. However, this is only one possible explanation and it's not possible to know what goes on behind the scenes.
Shulk/Ike: Shulk's jab appears to be near identical to Ike's from Brawl.
Counter: While some have noted small differences, it's really hard to tell for sure, but the moves do look near identical. It is possible that they simply have similar jabs, since they are both sword using characters, it`s also possible Shulk is a clone of Ike. Aside from these statements, this is an issue for the leak. One major difference though is that while Ike is holding his sword during his jab, Shulk has his sword on his back.
It has also been conjectured that this is Shulk's dash attack, with the idea that he does not carry his sword while running. While this does not necessarily disprove the similarities to Ike, it is interesting to think about.
Ike:
Sulk:
Bonus counter:
There is precedence for characters having similar movements:
Brawl Models: Ganondorf`s model looks VERY similar to the brawl model in the fight. It looks like this could be a brawl mod, trying to pose as Smash 3ds
Counter: *Shrugs* It`s true. Even the positioning of the roll has been shown to be very similar. However, both Zelda and Link are both still based on their Twilight Princess model and very similar to Brawl, so it's not super surprising the same is true for Ganondorf.
On the left: Brawl Ganondorf, on the right: Leak Ganondorf
Another point is that the shadows are circles, which was not true in Brawl, but is true in 3DS. This does prove or disprove anything, but adds a bit to it's authenticity.
Ganondorf: Ganondorf's character select screen is very, very similar to the previous screen
Counter: The models for Link and Zelda are also very similar to the Brawl model, but yes, this character select screen is even more so similar.
Famitsu Scan: Famitsu has released a picture that appears to match up with the character select screen we have been given.
The original scan can be seen here.
Counter: It has been conjectured that the "leaked" version of the Tomodachi life level is actually more similar (in terms of angle) to the picture of the day image that the Famitsu image. From here, one might conclude that the leaker edited the picture of the day image to remove occurrences of characters and switch things around. There are many apartments in Tomodachi life, so any rearrangement would look like AN apartment in the game. It is also peculiar that the level select screen has zoomed in so close to the level only to show the one apartment, when the map is clearly larger.
Although this is my own bias, I personally do not see this counter as fully valid. The plant in the leak appears similar to the Famitsu leak, as well as the overall apartment structure. Further, there are several levels that are zoomed in, if a level can be characterized fully by the zoomed in image.
While the Famitsu leak appears to support the leak, it is by no means 100% conclusive.
Duck Hunt Dog Image:
Guyz Guyz!!11! Duck Hunt Dog TOTTALLY comes from here!
Counter: Where is the origins of that picture? (poster has no response)
This picture is literally copied out of the leak. If the leak is fake, this image is a fake of a fake. If the leak is real, this image is still a fake.
4chan update:
Counter: Remember, anyone can add stuff to 4chan. If he is telling the truth, this is confirmation. If he is lying, it doesn't really mean anything. So I don't think we can really do much with this, but it's here.
Stage Select Red Line: In the stage select screen, the stage on the bottom right crosses the red line of the menu items. Such sloppiness would not be present in the game.
Counter: This looks exactly like it would if someone took a digital camera. Pixel leaking is common.
Mii's: Where are they?
Counter: Customization is disablad (I couldn't resist) in the character select screen here, so the Mii's are not visible. You must turn on customization for the mii's to show up.
Wario's Eye: Wario's eye appears to be missing. Where did it go? Here's one thing to look at on this topic:
Notice Wario's mouth is open, and the same eye is missing. This can be taken two ways:
1. The leaker used this image to fake Wario's select space. However, a lot of changes would be needed to the angle of the head, the teeth, moustache, etc etc. And why would the leaker put in all the effort for those changes JUST to leave the eye like it is?
2. Precedence that sometimes Wario is cross-eyed, and hence this is just how the development team chose to depict him.
Either way, this is very interesting evidence.
Further, it was pointed out that the Brawl model on the CSS also has crossed eyes
Though it is clearly not as pronounced.
Renders CAN be faked: Yes, they can. Here are a bunch of well done examples:
However note that we know the images that these images are based off of. We have not been able to find the images the leak has based theirs off of. This is what makes it believable. But even so, it IS POSSIBLE to fake renders and so no matter what, this puts doubt into whether this is all one big elaborate hoax.
Ice Climbers: Ice Climbers being cut doesn't make any sense. They have been in the game since Melee as part of the starting roster, and there are polar bears in Smash Run. There is no way they are not in the game. Also Rosalina and Luma are similar in nature and they are still in.
Counter: Sakurai stated they were having difficulty getting the Ice Climbers to work for the 3ds. What I would speculate as to what happened is that they tried to get them to work deep into development, but realized that it would take too long to get it right. They are more demanding on the 3ds than Rosalina and Luma since Luma never needs to act without an input command from the controller. Luma comes and goes on command, attacks on command. Nana, on the other hand, would attack, move, chase you, and act independently when separated.
THE FOLLOWING IS MY SPECULATION: Why could they just change the Ice Climbers, so they acted like one, rather than remove them? Well then they would need to be totally reworked. Since part of the gimmick was that they got weaker after Nana died, damage would need to be nerfed, moves altered, etc. They would need to rethink the moves. This means they are practically back to the drawing board. The development time would take roughly the same as a newcomer and hence they had to choose between Ice Climbers and a newcomer, they chose not to cut a newcomer.
The reason the Polar Bears are still there is a remnant of the fact they planned on having the Ice Climbers. It just didn't work out.
Mewtwo??: Mewtwo appears on the roster checklist with a "?" over him. What's up with that?
Counter: My understanding of this is that, while the other characters were typically part of the starting roster, the leaker assumed they were cut if they were not in the game, especially that late when most characters were unlocked. However Mewtwo, having been one of the last characters to unlock in Melee, would still be unknown.
OR he was just trying to screw with us all.
Smash Reddit Twitter: The smash reddit twitter account mentioned this leak and was soon after suspended. This makes it sound like Nintendo taking action on this account, which lends some credibility to the leak.
Counter: Other leaks on the twitter account have been quickly removed, this was typically done to make the leak "appear" real. Further, other twitter accounts have also shown the pictures and have yet to be suspended. It is possible Smash Reddit Twitter was suspended for another reason.
However, a twitter account cannot suspend itself, so the first point is moot. SmashReddit is also a more popular twitter account, so that's why it might have been targeted. Once again, like most points, we end without conclusion.
Changed Stages: Nearly every returning stage from Melee or Brawl presented in the stage select screen uses the same images from Melee and Brawl, except two: Mushroom Kingdom and Distant World
This seems like an odd thing for a leaker to do, but the Smash Design team might have thought those were the only two that needed improvement.
Counter: Perhaps the leaker was just lazy, and didn't bother to change the rest. However, come on, is this leaker REALLY lazy?
Further, the Pictochat image shows a sketch that was not in Brawl.
Even further, the gameboy stage contains images never shown in a POTD, though clearly based on Kirby's Dreamland. The POTD did feature Kirby and King Dedede, the leaker would have had to take that as a hint that it would be a kirby game featured in the level.
Changed Hand: The select hand has been changed from E3
I don't know if this is a point either for or against, but it's a change.
Counter: So apparently the hand ISN'T different. Just like random glitches showing up due to these being photos of a screen, you can get the images looking the same by playing with contrast and sizing, and nothing else:
Fox's Background Colour: In the E3 demo, Fox's background was green
But in the current leak, it's blue. Mistake?
Counter: Actually, it appears after E3 the colour WAS changed to blue, as can be seen here:
Incorrect Cropping: Since the leaker did his homework, the cropping on all the characters are correct. Except for characters he had not seen before, then he could only guess. Well, there were a bunch of characters shown that he probably missed:
The cropping on the images of characters in this video are wrong when they weren't shown in the E3 demo.
Counter: Actually, a BUNCH of the characters are "wrong", even if they were in the E3 demo. For example, Toon Link, Megaman and Samus.
Metal Sonic Leak: A new leak has appeared, this time a video, showing Metal Sonic as an alternate costume for sonic. It displays the same CSS lower screen as the original leak. It seems pretty hard to fake.
Inconsistent borders?: In the CSS screen, the black border around Pikachu is larger than any other character, and cuts in slightly into Marth, Palutena and Ike's boxes
Counter: I don't see it, personally. But for those who do, it could just be attributed to pixel bleeding, as many other things are.
Stage Select Centering: It's odd that the bottom row of the stage select isn't centered (there's a gap on the far right) when the character selection bottom is centered.
Counter: Perhaps there's another stage, or perhaps that is the "random" spot. Hard to say, but it is odd.
Duck's Broken Neck: The duck in the Duck Hunt profile has a head that appears a bit far from the neck. In order to turn it's head so far, it must have a very long neck
Counter: I think it's just a design choice, personally. Doesn't seem like much of a problem. to me.
Character Random Button: Crosses over onto the bottom screen.
Counter: This is because it is a video being played off a moniter. The top and bottom screens are touching in the video, and after taking a picture there is pixel bleeding.
The Case of the Missing Bar of Gray: In an odd find, it ends up that many of the leaked images lack the "gray bar" that appears in nearly every POTD that shows the bottom screen
Counter: It is possible that this is an optional feature, as while it is important information for your 3DS, it is not so important for gameplay. It is also missing from this picture of the day:
However, it seems as though Sakurai simply cut it out for picture purposes. This could mean that Nintendo also cut it out of the video for the ESRB, though I don't find that explanation likely as it would seem like a lot of work for no real reason.
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Some notes:
- This leak is heavily based on/agrees with the Ninka leak, which was ONLY made public and popular around two weeks ago. Hence, characters such as Duck Hunt Dog, Bowser Jr., Dark Pit and Dr. Mario who have only been relevant for around that time would have had to be created and rendered within the last two weeks. As several photoshoppers have pointed out, this IS possible. However, it would take a person of great skill to make them as good as they are.
- Since the third leak contains a full image of Ganondorf that matches the character select screen, but is higher quality and full body, the leaks are strongly tied. If one of the leaks gets proven fake, all three are fake.
- Since this leak is based on Ninka leak, which was already credible, it is possible for this leak to be false (no real insider information, character models wrong), but still contain accurate information.
Take note that some players face away from the character in the leaked "in battle" screen. This happens with Lucina in that screen, and she doesn't face away in Smash 4. - Edit: Potentially false info
Also note if that one is fake, the rest are due to the leak containing the best image of the Ganondorf render used in the CSS leaked image.
-At least four leakers ; two on 4chan, one on gamefaqs, one on Shulk thread.
-The first leaker on 4chan posted the CSS, and a bigger render of DHD and Bowser Jr.
He then said there would be five DLC characters ; Snake, Ice Climbers, Chorus Kids, Lucas, Wolf.
-The second 4chan leaker posted the bigger Dr Mario render and the stage pic.
-The leaker on gamefaqs posted pics of gameplay with a brighter Ganondorf, Shulk, Charizard and Lucina.
-The leaker on Shulk thread posted the artwork of Shulk earlier than everyone else, and stated that there were more characters to come, with the dlc statement being fake. Here we supposed Dixie, Ridley and co. fit the bill.
-Many problems found in pictures.
Take note that some players face away from the character in the leaked "in battle" screen. This happens with Lucina in that screen, and she doesn't face away in Smash 4.
Also note if that one is fake, the rest are due to the leak containing the best image of the Ganondorf render used in the CSS leaked image.
I'm pretty sure it was already stated that only certain characters always face the front. If I'm not mistaken, it was the swordwielders that were explicitly the exception, in order to keep the sword in the proper hand.
Also note that this leak being false doesn't make the information false. This leak can be false and "right". It seems it was based off another leak, and this being false or not doesn't change if the other leak is "right".
This goes both way, if a character from the leak, let's say "Duck Hunt [sic]" is revealed, if the render doesn't match, the leak is still fake, even if it predicted something.
I'm pretty sure it was already stated that only certain characters always face the front. If I'm not mistaken, it was the swordwielders that were explicitly the exception, in order to keep the sword in the proper hand.
Also note that this leak being false doesn't make the information false. This leak can be false and "right". It seems it was based off another leak, and this being false or not doesn't change if the other leak is "right".
This goes both way, if a character from the leak, let's say "Duck Hunt [sic]" is revealed, if the render doesn't match, the leak is still fake, even if it predicted something.
Also keep in mind camera angle or positioning changes.
Unless we can find that this particular room was shown at an earlier date, this Famitsu pic makes the rumor much more probably, even taken conservatively.
Honestly I actually hope the characters are fake. I know Duck Hunt is an iconic character in Video game history but really... Duck Hunt? Never played the game which is probably why I dislike the idea of it.
Honestly I actually hope the characters are fake. I know Duck Hunt is an iconic character in Video game history but really... Duck Hunt? Never played the game which is probably why I dislike the idea of it.
Honestly I actually hope the characters are fake. I know Duck Hunt is an iconic character in Video game history but really... Duck Hunt? Never played the game which is probably why I dislike the idea of it.
I would like it to be fake too, but at this rate that ain't gonna happen. I'm gradually accepting the character roster, but the fact that a lot of the stages are from previous games is so lazy that it's going to take a while for me to appreciate it.
I'm not sure I understand the argument. Is it saying that a a video from before E3 contains an accurate cropping of the pictures to render the leak incorrect? That assumes that the CSS hasn't changed in all those months. Further, there are characters that we HAVE seen, several times, that are still incorrectly cropped. Young link, for example.
Yeah, the logic in this case doesn't work like that. Having already known of the stage and not wanting to put any characters on it's screen, they may well have tried to clean it to not have any, found another image of it or otherwise.
I'm quite curious why all the others our zoomed out for most of the stage and that one is zoomed in on only one room.
honestly, I'm hoping this leak is real
duck hunt is a great addition i love the cartoony characters but with fighting sense it cool
and shulk is on that xenoblade anime level and i love that to
and NESS?... i would write nintendo a hate letter if they didn't include my boy
jiggly is so slept on...cant get rid of him either
I would like it to be fake too, but at this rate that ain't gonna happen. I'm gradually accepting the character roster, but the fact that a lot of the stages are from previous games is so lazy that it's going to take a while for me to appreciate it.
I've kinda accepted it also but I'm really hoping that there are a few more characters that haven't been unlocked. My hype for the remaining characters have died down Lets just hope there are more then this.
The reason I really want this leak to be fake is Ness's shirt. It looks so weird! Even before I saw that big image of all the inconsistencies I noticed them myself. 3 yellow stripes on his sleeve? Why? The bottom of his shirt especially threw me off. Though until I saw the huge image I couldn't figure out what exactly was wrong with it.
Also keep in mind camera angle or positioning changes.
Unless we can find that this particular room was shown at an earlier date, this Famitsu pic makes the rumor much more probably, even taken conservatively.
Somebody ban me now, because I can't believe you people go on believing this stuff which has time and time again been proven fake. I'll accept the opinions of me and name-calling.
If this is real, then the roster is okay, growing fond to the though of DHD and I'm indifferent to Bowser Jr. That Shulk though, unf. I'm assuming that the CSS is incomplete here due to awkward placements of certain characters and missing some newcomers I need
The stages are slightly underwhelming due to lack of new stages from Metroid, Dankey Kong, etc, and my least favorite stage is back, how fantastic.
Personally I'm hoping this leak is fake because I don't see a reason for Doctor Mario being in and would prefer Paper Mario. I also don't think Mario needs a 7th rep with Bowser Jr. I also would have thought DK would get a third rep over Kid Icarus. I know saying which characters you think should be in the game isn't proof at all of whether it's fake or not, but it's all just too weird to me.
At first, I was convinced this was fake, but the famitsu argument is very convincing. That rendition of the Tomodachi life stage was previously unavailable, then all of a sudden we have a stage select screen that matches it near perfectly... Either the "leaker" is very fast and smart, or this is looking relatively legit.
I was hoping for Bowser Jr to join in, so I'm cool with it.
Roster-wise? I'm not disappointed majorly, seven Mario characters and three Kid Icarus is kind of worrying, and some of the characters I wanted (K. Rool, Mach Rider) aren't in, but again, I don't mind. Stage-wise? I kind of am disappointed, there's no new stages for a few series. At least I have those ballin' Paper Mario and Game Boy stages.
Somebody ban me now, because I can't believe you people go on believing this stuff which has time and time again been proven fake. I'll accept the opinions of me and name-calling.
Lol. You do know you don't have to come to these threads, right? If it's fake, oh well. If it's real, oh well. The discussion is just something to do until we know the real roster.
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