LiteralGrill
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SmashCapps has a lot of his own opinions on customs and is glad to see some good debate going on. To get his feelings on the subject follow him on Twitter.
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This one wasn't really clickbait; he had a clear topic in mind and spoke about it, and his title reflected that topic well. Clickbait insinuates that the title/picture/whatever prompted you into watching the video had nothing to do with the content itself for the sole sake of attracting more viewers.Oh boy, more clickbait! My favorite!
I guess it's not as bad as the last 3, but this video is just repeating what everyone has already been saying on reddit and twitter and smashboards for the past several months. I just don't understand the point is. Maybe I'm being too judgmental after the bad taste his other videos have left in my mouth, but eh...This one wasn't really clickbait; he had a clear topic in mind, and his title reflected that topic well. Clickbait insinuates that the title/picture/whatever prompted you into watching the video had nothing to do with the content itself for the sake of disingenuously attracting more viewers.
Omni makes very fair points in this video, and its not fair to boil it down to a clickbait.
Implying you wouldn't have seen those characters without customs? Lots of the characters who showed up on stream didn't win a single game. It doesn't really prove anything to be honest.I didn't watch the video (and honestly I probably wont), but I feel that even though there's really wack set ups/customs in general. I do feel like customs do make a bunch of more characters viable. (Didn't we almost get to see the whole cast during EVO live stream?)
To be fair, the whole customs argument is a disorganized mess as of right now that hasn't reached any solid conclusion. Omni's video does a good job of summarizing some popular views of both sides while giving his own input. He also does it in a very calm and collected way, which already makes his argument a thousand times better than most users I see on reddit/SWF/whatever.I guess it's not as bad as the last 3, but this video is just repeating what everyone has already been saying on reddit and twitter and smashboards for the past several months. I just don't understand the point is. Maybe I'm being too judgmental after the bad taste his other videos have left in my mouth, but eh...
Because he is a Smash veteran who has a critical thinking and isn't blinded by his love from the game unlike you Smash 4 fanboy.I just came here to ask everyone why we care about the opinion of a guy who told us our game was going to die. Not bothering to even watch his bull...
I use Ganondorf a lot and even "mained" Palutena for a while.Funny how players that are against Customs use characters that don't benefit from customs at all (Sheik. luigi, Falcon, Ness). Hypocrites much?
They were supposed to, ya. But, serious question: How did those improved options, and the more diverse options, actually do when tested in a competitive environment? For 90% of the cast, even if they became strictly better, they still fell flat and failed to get results. That means, strictly if diversity was the end goal, customs have failed.Customs are supposed to make things more diverse for the competition, and they do help improve some of the fighters who have some rather lousy default special moves.
For one example, Ganondorf's recovery gets an improvement if he has Wizard's Dropkick and Dark Fists. Similarly, Charizard can switch to Dragon Rush to avoid any damage penalties, and improve its horizontal recovery.
Results mean nothing.They were supposed to, ya. But, serious question: How did those improved options, and the more diverse options, actually do when tested in a competitive environment? For 90% of the cast, even if they became strictly better, they still fell flat and failed to get results. That means, strictly if diversity was the end goal, customs have failed.
okay, perhaps that last statement might be pushing extremes, but this probably sums up a majority of how I feel towards this debate.If people are against customs at this point, they're either against them because banning them would
A) give them an advantage because their best set is closer to 1111
B) give them an advantage because they would lose bad matchups
C) reduce frustrations because they don't want to learn more matchups and prefer a smaller skill and knowledge requirement
D) give them credence in their social circle
or
E) they're dumb or ignorant
Some combination of the above.
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Honestly, at this point I'm done with smash. The smash community is mostly scrubs, but there's just so many now it's hard to not have your voice drowned out.
We were told that customs would be too hard to run at a regular tournament, then we did it.
We were told it'd be too hard to run at a national tournament, then we did it twice.
We were told that DK's wind up+b was broken, that thunder wave and HSB were broken for Pikachu[...] and NONE OF THESE MOVES have had more than a marginal effect on tournament placements.
Every doom and gloom announcement around customs has been incorrect, but it doesn't matter. The people that don't want customs don't care that customs are balanced, they don't care if they bring no negative effects. They decided a long time ago that they didn't want customs and no evidence will sway them because they weren't interested in trying them in the first place.
Even default moves?Ban anything that stuns.
This actually takes quite a long time. Like, 1 hour minimum if the TO has done it a bunch of times and doesn't have to fiddle with menus. You're being incredibly selfish to ask the TO to just take an hour out of their presumably busy schedule just to serve you.How to get the customs you need on your Wii U with ZERO grinding:
1) Take your Wii U to a tournament that uses customs. There is an extremely high chance that they used a 3DS to port over all of the sets.
2) Quickly plug your Wii U into one of the TV, ask the TO to port over the sets on their "Master" 3DS to your Wii U
3) You now have access to all of the major sets for every characters. Repeat once every 6-12 months, however often the "Master List" ends up getting updated
If your area uses customs, you should have no problems getting the custom sets that you need yourself.
F) Give us a consistent game, where every character has only one moveset to go and that's it.If people are against customs at this point, they're either against them because banning them would
A) give them an advantage because their best set is closer to 1111
B) give them an advantage because they would lose bad matchups
C) reduce frustrations because they don't want to learn more matchups and prefer a smaller skill and knowledge requirement
D) give them credence in their social circle
or
E) they're dumb or ignorant
Some combination of the above.
"Customs take too long to unlock" / "Tournaments can't reliably get customs"
Yeah, it's annoying, but not impossible. We have yet to have any major issues and now TWO majors have run with customs with no issues. It takes planning. First tournament in a region with customs can be rough, after that it's typically smooth sailing.
"Customs are janky / customs are too good / some other balance complaint"
Customs haven't changed player OR character results at the top level in any meaningful way. The finals of EVO was two 1111 sets, and those that used customs used only one or two per set, but the names weren't particularly surprising.
"Customs only haven't changed results because top players don't use customs"
Yes they did. More importantly, if you feel that more custom use = better placement, the same players that were predicted to make top 8 still made top 8.
"If customs don't change results, why have them in the first place?"
Because they change the game at other levels of play and allow for the possibility of more unique counterpicks and character choices.
"Customs take no skill / are spammable"
Lots of things are spammable, lots of characters are easier than others. If customs were so brain numbingly easy to use, we'd have seen results variation very quickly.
"(name of top players) are against customs"
So? Mango's a top player in Melee and he thinks Smash 4 sucks. Zero's a nice guy and is skilled and all, but he's ranted about almost everything at this point. He complained about Lucario, for pete's sake. ESAM talked about how broken thunder wave + HSB was for pikachu and the guy got 7th and lost a game to a G&W.
Top players don't know everything.
"It's not fair for other characters to get better moves when all my customs suck"
That's because 1111 is your best. You started at where they want to be.
"It's not fair to force people to get customs"
We force them to do stuff all the time. We force them to spend money on DLC now. We force them to unlock stages, characters. If they want custom sets, we can put them on their wii u via 3DS.
"It's too much for a new player to learn, too high a barrier of entry"
Melee dwarfed Smash 4's numbers on EVO's stream and it requires you to literally sit in your room and practice against a level 1 CPU for hours to even move your character properly. It's doing fine. Having to watch a youtube video on characters you don't already know won't kill anyone.
Honestly, at this point I'm done with smash. The smash community is mostly scrubs, but there's just so many now it's hard to not have your voice drowned out.
We were told that customs would be too hard to run at a regular tournament, then we did it.
We were told it'd be too hard to run at a national tournament, then we did it twice.
We were told that DK's wind up+b was broken, that thunder wave and HSB were broken for Pikachu, that Mii Brawler was broken, that Mario's Gust Cape was broken, that Wario's Fast Bike was broken, that Diddy's explosive barrels were broken, that Marth's crescent slash was broken, that Luigi's ice fireballs were broken, that Rosalina's shooting star bit and warp were broken, and NONE OF THESE MOVES have had more than a marginal effect on tournament placements.
Every doom and gloom announcement around customs has been incorrect, but it doesn't matter. The people that don't want customs don't care that customs are balanced, they don't care if they bring no negative effects. They decided a long time ago that they didn't want customs and no evidence will sway them because they weren't interested in trying them in the first place.
Time to nerf Zamus!Even default moves?