The chart says -1 on kirby/pika yet on the individual character spreads, it's 0?
Which is which, lol? I'm starting to believe that there are a lot of mistakes here.
The chart says
vs.
is -2, but the individual spread says -3
Should be -4 imo, but I'll take the -3
Why is Mario VS MK still -2
If you guys see mistakes like this its really good to point them out so they can be fixed.
thanks, shaya. now i feel bad for bashing on the project. the chart looks very nice. i'm sure more and more people will agree on more match-ups if we all just continue evolving.
Overall there was a very strong attempt to try and resolve MUs without a vote if at all possible. If it did have to come down to a vote since there was no other way to resolve it, the vote went to an unbiased panel that focused on the arguments made by each panel. Even though there were many contested MUs, a very large portion were agreed on and I think thats reflected in the charts accuracy. I feel like people probably agree with a large portion of the ratios, but as the ones they disagree with are the most contested there is more emotions about the few they find incorrect.
lmao @ pika mk even and fox mk isnt
The fox panel actually argued for even. Unfortunately they werent around to make their case and there was a difficult time trying to find fox panelists that would actively participate.
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only +2
i knew i should've been more active
****
not that the MKs would listen anyway tho
sorry guys
This isnt fair at all. IMO the MK panel was one of the most reasonable and made plenty of concessions to those wanting a worse ratios. Anyone could just as easily call you stubborn instead, but this claim isnt fair either way.
Because we lost the
vs
matchup discussion...I'm still extremely salty how that ended up because it was honestly the dumbest way to decide the matchup....
Why is Pika on par with DDD for Wolf's worst MU? It's definitely manageable.
Why do we lose to Diddy?
Seagull you got your shot to try and make the ratio -2, it sounds like you wouldve called any process dumb that didnt result in a -2.
Sinister its more or less in the write-up. I could personally see it as a -2, but the results we have to go off of seem to indicate its a -3. Ive mentioned that if results could start reflecting a -2 that could be one that changes in the future.
Why is Wario even with Sheik? I thought it was +1 for Wario. Same question and statement for Pikachu.
There will be a write-up on wario
ikachu.
Also anyone else that wants a write-up on anything should vocally request it.
No matter what, I cannot understand how Pikachu or all characters would be even with MK. What does Pikachu even have on MK? No range or groundgame good enough to challenge him or what?
I wasn't a part of this project as I came into the BBR when things were wrapping up. Can I get an explanation on the Falco/mk being mk advantage? Are you taking into account mk's strong cps against falco?
Also I don't agree at all with pika being the ONLY even character vs mk. I'm sorry I can't accept it. I feel Diddy and falco both do better than pika does vs mk.
I personally feel pika loses, but I'm not arguing that. I just feel that if your going to put pika as even, falco and diddy need to be there too >_>
Pikachu doesn't go even with MK. He has to guess in order for him to even compete vs a good MK. ESAM beating M2K once proves nothing, since matchup ratios are partially decided by results as well as frame data and stuff. Though Pika has a lot of options to combat in the ground game, has a chain grab to nair, will rarely ever get gimped by MK (MK should just Tornado though), and can kill relatively early. But guessing doesn't make it even folks. It IS a close matchup, MK by no means destroys Pikachu.
If MK has the lead, all he has to do is Dair camp the rest of the game or even just shield camp. But that's too convenient of a conclusion.
The biggest change (MK being even with Pikachu) unfortunately was discussed to death in the previous topic. Shouldn't have given that away so early.
The funny thing is the most controversial MU for pika is the one that
didnt change over another one that did, lol.
BC you honestly think the most obvious and frequently stated arguments werent considered by people who actually use each character?
Mav iirc there will be information about why falco does worse than pika in the write-up. And yeah CPs were considered when discussing MUs.
And you pikakids did everything they could through lying, cheating and sleeping with the people in power to get your spread as OP'd as possible.
