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Project Melee: SD Remix - A New Revision in the Works

Discussion in 'Melee Workshop' started by sdremix_troubleshooter, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. sdremix_troubleshooter

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    Development Blog (Last updated: May 7, 2014)
    Demo v1.0 Combo Video
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    Current Revision: 3.0F
    DOWNLOAD LINKS
    SD Remix 3.0F Revision with Modified Stages:
    SD Card/USB version - http://www.mediafire.com/?m1ni8kvlu27fzjc
    DVD/Dolphin version - http://www.mediafire.com/?t51wfzgdx1l5p9u






    Frequently Asked Question(s)

    Q. "Where's the changelist?"
    A. vMelee to SD Remix Changelist download: here




    Q. "Who made SD Remix?"
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    Key Staff
    VietGeek - Concept creator; lead balance programmer
    Ripple - lead balance programmer
    Standardtoaster - lead ASM programmer

    Special Thanks
    Magus420 - Frame Speed Modifier code
    Project M Staff - MasterHand file viewer
    Milun - stage modifications
    felipe_9595 - logo design
    _Novi - publicist
    RoyalSyrup - Dolphin support
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    Excited about this =)
  3. VietGeek

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    Also if you are interested in being a playtester but do not know how to mod your Wii, I can help~!
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    You should be using 1.02 for something like this. 1.00 has hitlag problems.
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    what "problems"? the fact thast you can't SDI hits that do less than 1%?

    that helps zelda/y.link/bowser/ samus/ ness considerably
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    Also, Fox's drill.
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    Only relevant to 1 damage hitboxes. 2 damage can't stale to under 1 damage.

    Also 1.01 is the same as 1.00 but with Ganon's 2nd n-air kick timer fixed and I think HRC bug fixed. Any other changes I'm pretty sure are things that are entirely unknown to be changed in any version. 1.02 is where the hitlag change, flame cancel removed, etc happened.
  8. VietGeek

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    Besides the Ganondorf N-air goof, would it be safe to say the other gameplay changes reside within the respective main.dol files? And are the .dol files interchangeable via injection?
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    Haven't tried doing that so I don't know.


    Long time ago I checked for differences in the character files which led to figuring out hitboxes (when I looked at PAL Fox). These have differences in their Pl**.dat from 1.00 -> 1.01: DK, Ganon, Roy, and Crazy Hand.

    No idea what DK's is. It's @0x9F78: 0x48->40. Ganon besides the n-air change also has something removed after the Async[5] timer in Jab, something added during up-b, and maybe something else I missed. Roy has the same thing Ganon had removed from Jab, and other stuff earlier in the file.


    Only changes in the Pl**.dat files from 1.01 -> 1.02 are Ness and Peach. Ness a subroutine address is changed from 4038 to 4054. It might be in action coding or something because it's not in any subaction I saw. No idea with Peach, since the file is rebuilt too differently to easily find differences.

  10. RaphaelRobo

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    I'm interested in this. Especially as a Ganon main who plays Kirby.

    Unfortunately, I don't play with other people enough to be a decent playtester. The last time I played someone was about 3 months ago.
  11. VietGeek

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    For Roy's and Ganon's jab, it looks like the vestigial 74 00 00 0X command to open the window to continue to the next nonexistent jab(s) was removed.

    For Ness it looks like two or so floating points were modified. My crude assumption is this affects Yoyo charging proximity on the edge, who knows.
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    Thanks to everyone who watched the stream! And especially Novi for streaming it, haha!
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    wow, looking up SDM's frame data stuff and I just learned that ALL get up attacks from the ledge whether under or over 100% lose their invincibility 4 frames before the first hitbox comes out. I really want to change this :/

    IDK about anyone else, but this makes me angry since attacks from the faceplant or backplant position are invincible until the last frame of the attack with 2 exceptions.
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    I don't see why ledge getup attacks need to be buffed if that's what you're implying.
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    Going to renew my ill-fated search for Kirby's F/Bthrow floating points. If they even exist.

    I wish there was a Riivolution-like tool for Gamecube games.
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    I'd be interested in playtesting this for kirby but I dont have a hacked Wii D:
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    I'm very interested in play testing, cube is modded.
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    Do you at least have a Wii? :3

    Oh? So you use DVD-RWs?

    I'm currently on "vacation" so I won't be able to help you two until next Tuesday. :<

    @Novi: I sent you a way to fix the crash.
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    I do have a wii. I dont have an external hard drive though. If I did end up hacking my wii i wouldnt want to use burned discs cus of the whole "Ruins the Wii" problem they seem to have.
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    Buying a 2GB SD Card wouldn't be too much trouble though, right?
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    Mmm~ Sounds interesting. I like this. ¿how can I help?
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    You can help by playtesting with friends at tournaments and Smashfests to provide feedback on changes.

    You will need a hacked Wii or Gamecube (I do know not much about the latter's hacking process), a SD Card or blank DVD-RWs (you may receive many changes while playing this "closed alpha!") or USB drive/hard drive. Basically you need some method to boot up a hacked Melee ISO as there is no fille loader for retail Gamecube games (:().

    If you want, I can help you some more on or after this Tuesday.
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    I would like to be a playtester. My wii is modded and everything
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    Hello! I'm here at Smasher's Reunion, good news!

    I got a LOT of people trying out the SD Remix, especially low tier mains like Nedech (Europe's best DK). I streamed and taped everyone. Most people absolutely LOVED the mod and they were having a blast with it!

    ARmada said he would take a look at it tomorrow, he was excited. (He's very good with Kirby and obv. Young Link).

    Dr. PP tried it out earlier this week but he didn't seem to enjoy it so much, I got around 20 minutes of footage on tape. I'll try to get as many top players try it as possible.

    I made a quick logo for the project, it kinda sucks but it's better than nothing:

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    I also made a Facebook Page for this project:

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Super-Smash-Bros-Melee-SD-Remix-Balance-Patch/444819112215907

    Like it, now!


    E:

    The stream videos can be found here:

    http://www.twitch.tv/smashfinland/videos


    I have better quality of the game & commentary on my videocamera. I'll upload the videos as soon as possible!

    E2:

    http://www.twitch.tv/smashfinland/b/324813736
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    Be sure to tell armada to use kirbys hammer off stage. I don't think many good kirby players use that move.

    Also tell him its in the alpha stages, if he finds something broken or has a suggestion please feel free to tell us
    :phone:
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    I'd like to become a play tester.
    I have a hacked Wii.

    I'm ready to go.

    I'd like to become a playtester.
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    Interesting

    This is pretty cool, we can finally put those low tier characters to use. I would also like to apply for play tester.
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    So I don't need anything except for the stuff I already have when I can play p:m on a PAL wii to play this patch ?

    I hope I don't appear as 'impertinent' (I had to use google translate for this one :p), but I would like to be a play tester as well :3
    I'm not that good in melee but I play with good players from time to time.
    I think I could give some useful feedback but I can also wait for a public release, when do you plan on releasing one ?


    This patch looks pretty good already, nice job! It also seems to be different from p:m, which is kinda a good thing, not because p:m would be bad or anything like that, but because we don't need the exact same thing twice. I like how kill moves seem to kill very early in this game, at least that's what it looks like on the stream.
    What were the reactions at Smasher's Reunion ?

    Oh and I wanted to ask about one thing that I think was a really good design decision in P:M: Can you add that characters flash white when doing a l-cancel to this game ?
  32. VietGeek

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    Somewhat, but not quite. The process is very easy though if you have a 2GB or higher SD card though. I can help you via PM if you need it. The hardest part is honestly obtaining a NTSC-U Melee ISO, which I cannot provide here.

    Still no date decided for a public release I'm afraid. However, I can help you set up your Wii to be a playtester.

    The biggest obstacle to making this a public release is the relative difficulty of installing it compared to, say, P:M. It is still easy but somewhat wordy.

    Here, you MUST have a Melee ISO (which most people would obtain illegally since that's sadly still more convenient than ripping a copy from your own disc), and you MUST have a hacked Wii/Gamecube, and one of the steps in installation requires some basic use of Command Prompt, which no matter how basic, still dissuades people.

    It is the unfortunate consequence of hacking an older game.

    We cannot as far as I know. The white flash is part of the cheat code that artificially recreates L-cancelling in Brawl. While it should be possible to create a code that calls for such a graphic to occur when one L-cancels in Melee, the current team working on this project lacks anyone with the knowledge to create such a code.
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    Is there any chance you can post the changes made to the characters? When watching the videos I don't notice many differences aside from some attacks simply being stronger.
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    Streaming SD Remix again! Last day of the tournament!

    ARmada will be on AFTER the singles bracket is finished.

    http://www.twitch.tv/smashfinland

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    No more stream today. ARmada will try out SD Remix later today.
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    Sup, Im really interested in playtesting this, For Link specifically, I'm a link main and I can this of a thousand different way's of improving link, so i would be happy to provide feed back for the game
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    @both Zodiac and Mr. Jackpot

    I'll follow up with you guys by sometime tomorrow night (-5:00 GMT; US EST time). I'm working on another revision after some feedback from Smasher's Reunion, making many but minor changes to rectify some of the more prominent concerns. You two will receive this revision alongside everyone else. =D

    You're right: simply looking at the game being played makes it difficult to pinpoint most of the changes. However, the change list is essentially private now, especially as another revision is about to roll out. Rest assured there will be a public change list during the public release, but that is far off.

    The easiest way to take a glimpse at the change list is to become a playtester. You also get the perk of influencing changes, because everything involves politics. Haha. Let me know if you want to sign on though. :)
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    I wouldn't mind giving yoshi a shot. I don't have a modded wii (just a regular one), but Chain-Ace and StriCNYN3 do I think, and if you set them up with it i'd love to test out yoshi vses them. :) I only live 10 minutes from those 2.

    Edit: And I could record the matches and put them on youtube. Chain-ace get it done !!
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    So, I'd like to give this one a shot; give some feedback and see how other people compare it to my own project.

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