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Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

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Well, Andy does have Goku-ish hair. :p

The waiting has been dragging out for so long that I've become apathetic to Smashified. :ohwell:

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Eh... Isaac's hair is gold and a little bit spiky. Andy's hair is extremely short and black, barely spiky at all. Hardly compares.


Currently it sounds like there's two Smashified. The one they were previously hyping got delayed so they could put more effort into it. The next one coming I believe was teased with the Gameboy Advance.
 

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Eh... Isaac's hair is gold and a little bit spiky. Andy's hair is extremely short and black, barely spiky at all. Hardly compares.


Currently it sounds like there's two Smashified. The one they were previously hyping got delayed so they could put more effort into it. The next one coming I believe was teased with the Gameboy Advance.
There are two Smashified characters, the delayed one is most likely Isaac and the new one is probably Andy. The delayed one has hints of Goku hair, boots and not silent protagonist depends on what game. The next one has GBA hint and also not silent protagonist. I don't know if the delayed one has the GBA hint as well.
 

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So, is it pretty much understood that Issac is the second most desired newcomer besides King K. Rool? I've seen a few polls where he ranks as such, a couple where he actually is number one, and a couple where he is a little further down. Overall, though, it seems he ranks very highly on the Smash ballot from what I've seen, and I just wanted to ask here.

Also, what are the main polls that you all look to in terms of ballot characters right now?
 

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So, is it pretty much understood that Issac is the second most desired newcomer besides King K. Rool? I've seen a few polls where he ranks as such, a couple where he actually is number one, and a couple where he is a little further down. Overall, though, it seems he ranks very highly on the Smash ballot from what I've seen, and I just wanted to ask here.

Also, what are the main polls that you all look to in terms of ballot characters right now?
Isaac is near the top of almost every poll. Some people say Krystal, some Isaac, some Bandanna Dee. In most polls I see, though, Isaac is almost consistently within the Top 5, often right behind K. Rool, sometimes (but rarely) just ahead. Krystal and Bandanna Dee seem less consistent to me than Isaac and K. Rool; in fact I generally don't see Krystal all that often at all. Though it has been a while since I've been checking polls.


There are two Smashified characters, the delayed one is most likely Isaac and the new one is probably Andy. The delayed one has hints of Goku hair, boots and not silent protagonist depends on what game. The next one has GBA hint and also not silent protagonist. I don't know if the delayed one has the GBA hint as well.
Yeah, I know. That's what I was saying. The GBA hint I believe is for the next one and not the delayed one, and the first thing that comes to mind there is "Advance Wars."
 

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So, is it pretty much understood that Issac is the second most desired newcomer besides King K. Rool? I've seen a few polls where he ranks as such, a couple where he actually is number one, and a couple where he is a little further down. Overall, though, it seems he ranks very highly on the Smash ballot from what I've seen, and I just wanted to ask here.

Also, what are the main polls that you all look to in terms of ballot characters right now?
SmashBoards threads and the occasional Reddit poll.

I'd say the five most requested Nintendo newcomers are K. Rool/Isaac/Inkling/Bandana Dee/Dixie Kong. When you go outside Nintendo newcomers you get random grab bags of third parties like Shantae, Rayman and Professor Layton and various cut veterans, but strictly speaking the Nintendo newcomers are fairly consistent and easy to track.
 
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Smashboards isn't everything. When you go outside this site Bandana Dee's popularity drops considerably. His popularity is really exaggerated on here. Dixie's isn't that high to begin with tbh. At least, not anymore. Isaac, on the other hand, is pretty consistently right near the top of the Nintendo selection.

Here are some post-ballot sources:
http://i.imgur.com/yR2ZPCq.png
http://i.imgur.com/cmB6EUB.png
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...BiGL5Jd60_2enTSm50zm4/pubchart?oid=1006946619
http://i.imgur.com/5CzxsP9.png
http://40.media.tumblr.com/77225f349f5713f9a42f4beba3536278/tumblr_inline_no1ka29RlB1sj04lk_1280.png
http://www.strawpoll.me/4736426/r

If you have any more notable ones feel free to post them.
 
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Smashboards isn't everything. When you go outside this site Bandana Dee's popularity drops considerably. His popularity is really exaggerated on here. Dixie's isn't that high to begin with tbh. At least, not anymore. Isaac, on the other hand, is pretty consistently right near the top of the Nintendo selection.

Here are some post-ballot sources:
http://i.imgur.com/yR2ZPCq.png
http://i.imgur.com/cmB6EUB.png
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...BiGL5Jd60_2enTSm50zm4/pubchart?oid=1006946619
http://i.imgur.com/5CzxsP9.png
http://40.media.tumblr.com/77225f349f5713f9a42f4beba3536278/tumblr_inline_no1ka29RlB1sj04lk_1280.png
http://www.strawpoll.me/4736426/r

If you have any more notable ones feel free to post them.
I don't want to say that Bandanna Dee doesn't have that much support, and I do often see support for him on other sources. But the only consistently high ranking characters I see from Nintendo are K. Rool, Isaac, and Inklings. Dixie would be much higher if it wasn't for K. Rool, though.
 

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I don't want to say that Bandanna Dee doesn't have that much support, and I do often see support for him on other sources. But the only consistently high ranking characters I see from Nintendo are K. Rool, Isaac, and Inklings. Dixie would be much higher if it wasn't for K. Rool, though.
From what I can tell it seems Bandana Dee's supporters elsewhere are more loud than plentiful...

And yeah Dixie was more expected than K. Rool prior to the poll iirc.
 

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With all the support K. Rool has, I wonder why he hasn't been added to any Smash games yet. I mean, a lot of people love him, and I see his name everywhere these days, so it just makes me wonder what kept him out of SSB4's roster in the first place (or any Smash game, really). I'm glad to see that Isaac is doing so well (or so it seems, anyway). I hope that Isaac won't be overshadowed by the large support for K. Rool and Sakurai acknowledges how popular of a request he is. Just give me Isaac and I won't mind anyone else being added (yes, I realize this sounds selfish, but I'd be highly upset if Isaac is passed up again).

This isn't to say that K. Rool is directly competing with Isaac for a spot or anything, I just wish that Isaac had the same kind of support that K. Rool has. (By that, I mean almost everyone voting for him). In any case, I hope they both make it. That way I can be happy while also being happy for everyone else.
 

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Smashboards isn't everything. When you go outside this site Bandana Dee's popularity drops considerably. His popularity is really exaggerated on here. Dixie's isn't that high to begin with tbh. At least, not anymore. Isaac, on the other hand, is pretty consistently right near the top of the Nintendo selection.

Here are some post-ballot sources:
http://i.imgur.com/yR2ZPCq.png
http://i.imgur.com/cmB6EUB.png
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...BiGL5Jd60_2enTSm50zm4/pubchart?oid=1006946619
http://i.imgur.com/5CzxsP9.png
http://40.media.tumblr.com/77225f349f5713f9a42f4beba3536278/tumblr_inline_no1ka29RlB1sj04lk_1280.png
http://www.strawpoll.me/4736426/r

If you have any more notable ones feel free to post them.
Bandana Dee is pretty popular on Japanese Miiverse, from what I've heard. His thread would probably know more, though.

I mean, even in this poll that you linked, Nintendo newcomers go K. Rool/Isaac/Inkling/Waluigi/Paper Mario/Ridley/Wonder Red/Bandana Dee/Dixie Kong. So when you remove Waluigi and Ridley (active role), Paper Mario and Wonder Red are the only outliers on the ones I mentioned before. The Tumblr poll is similar, from an initial glance.

Also, Smashboards is still the biggest Smash site on the internet, so it's a pretty good aggregate overall, even if it's not alone.

With all the support K. Rool has, I wonder why he hasn't been added to any Smash games yet. I mean, a lot of people love him, and I see his name everywhere these days, so it just makes me wonder what kept him out of SSB4's roster in the first place (or any Smash game, really).
Too much competition during Brawl and not recent enough for Smash 4. S'about the size of it.

@N30N, if you disagree, who do you think are the most popular Nintendo newcomers?
 
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Smashboards isn't everything. When you go outside this site Bandana Dee's popularity drops considerably. His popularity is really exaggerated on here. Dixie's isn't that high to begin with tbh. At least, not anymore. Isaac, on the other hand, is pretty consistently right near the top of the Nintendo selection.

Here are some post-ballot sources:
http://i.imgur.com/yR2ZPCq.png
http://i.imgur.com/cmB6EUB.png
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...BiGL5Jd60_2enTSm50zm4/pubchart?oid=1006946619
http://i.imgur.com/5CzxsP9.png
http://40.media.tumblr.com/77225f349f5713f9a42f4beba3536278/tumblr_inline_no1ka29RlB1sj04lk_1280.png
http://www.strawpoll.me/4736426/r

If you have any more notable ones feel free to post them.
Yeah, sometimes I think the results are somewhat distorted. If I were to go on a Golden Sun forum and post a poll there, of course Isaac would win by a landslide. However, it serves to be no indication of what the actual ballot is composed of, so there is no real way to tell what the majority is voting for. We (Smashboards, or any other online community) are not the only ones voting.
 

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With all the support K. Rool has, I wonder why he hasn't been added to any Smash games yet. I mean, a lot of people love him, and I see his name everywhere these days, so it just makes me wonder what kept him out of SSB4's roster in the first place (or any Smash game, really). I'm glad to see that Isaac is doing so well (or so it seems, anyway). I hope that Isaac won't be overshadowed by the large support for K. Rool and Sakurai acknowledges how popular of a request he is. Just give me Isaac and I won't mind anyone else being added (yes, I realize this sounds selfish, but I'd be highly upset if Isaac is passed up again).

This isn't to say that K. Rool is directly competing with Isaac for a spot or anything, I just wish that Isaac had the same kind of support that K. Rool has. (By that, I mean almost everyone voting for him). In any case, I hope they both make it. That way I can be happy while also being happy for everyone else.
What kept K. Rool out of the SSB4 roster was the lack of a recent appearance, that factor was very important this time around. What kept him out of Brawl was the fact that it's uncommon for a series to receive two original characters in a single game.

Now why Dixie was also omitted this time around is anyone's guess. Maybe she was intended at one point, that wouldn't surprise me.

And yeah it'd be nice if Isaac had the popularity K. Rool does, but second is nothing to scoff at either, it's pretty darn good for a character in his situation.

Bandana Dee is pretty popular on Japanese Miiverse, from what I've heard. His thread would probably know more, though.
If I had any post-ballot Japanese results I'd definitely post them. And not to say their claims are untrue, but the Bandana Dee thread would claim he's popular there... I'd rather get it from a less biased source.

I mean, even in this poll that you linked, Nintendo newcomers go K. Rool/Isaac/Inkling/Waluigi/Paper Mario/Ridley/Wonder Red/Bandana Dee/Dixie Kong. So when you remove Waluigi and Ridley (active role), Paper Mario and Wonder Red are the only outliers on the ones I mentioned before. The Tumblr poll is similar, from an initial glance.
Comparatively he's not unpopular sure, but putting him in the same category as K. Rool and Isaac and Inkling, or at least the latter two, which is what a lot of people do, isn't exactly painting the most accurate of pictures.

Also, Smashboards is still the biggest Smash site on the internet, so it's a pretty good aggregate overall, even if it's not alone.
Biggest site dedicated solely to Smash yes, that doesn't mean it would provide the biggest sample size. There isn't even any (notable) poll from this site (unless I missed it), the reddit one has over 13000 unique voters that weighed in on it. Smashboards is one of the larger pieces of the community, but in a total aggregate it's still one of many.

@N30N, if you disagree, who do you think are the most popular Nintendo newcomers?
I think anyone other than K. Rool, Isaac, and Inkling are in a category notably lower.

Yeah, sometimes I think the results are somewhat distorted. If I were to go on a Golden Sun forum and post a poll there, of course Isaac would win by a landslide. However, it serves to be no indication of what the actual ballot is composed of, so there is no real way to tell what the majority is voting for. We (Smashboards, or any other online community) are not the only ones voting.
You're right, but it's the best we've got. It's not no indication, because unlike Smash's total audience the people that actively contribute to the ballot are by and large more dedicated than the average consumer, but it's still hardly made up solely of those that are regularly contributing to the discussion of Smash and those that will care to share who they voted for.

Just assume there are more votes going towards Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Sonic and other third-party characters than what is represented in the polls, because those are generally the ones the masses lean towards.
 
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You're right, but it's the best we've got. It's not no indication, because unlike Smash's total audience the people that actively contribute to the ballot are by and large more dedicated than the average consumer, but it's still hardly made up solely of those that are regularly contributing to the discussion of Smash and those that will care to share who they voted for.

Just assume there are more votes going towards Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Sonic and other third-party characters than what is represented in the polls, because those are generally the ones the masses lean towards.
The regular consumer's votes are generally more scattered, so I guess that may leave things untouched. The only front-runner characters I can see benefiting from these types of consumers voting are Bandanna Dee and especially the Inklings as their games are much newer. Characters like King K. Rool and Isaac to me seem as if they are going to have to rely heavily on their fan-bases and their grassroots movements.
 
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Just assume there are more votes going towards Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Sonic and other third-party characters than what is represented in the polls, because those are generally the ones the masses lean towards.
I expect Pokemon votes to be more scattered due to the lack of a obvious front-runner characters. Same with Zelda characters. For the Mario franchise, I expect Toad and Waluigi to get the bulk of the votes. As for unrepresented franchises maybe votes for the Inklings.
 

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The regular consumer's votes are generally more scattered, so I guess that may leave things untouched. The only front-runner characters I can see benefiting from these types of consumers voting are Bandanna Dee and especially the Inklings as their games are much newer. Characters like King K. Rool and Isaac to me seem as if they are going to have to rely heavily on their fan-bases and their grassroots movements.
I don't think Bandana Dee has much, if any, casual support. He's a character who doesn't even have a name of his own. He's not the sort of character casual fans are as likely to gravitate towards, regardless of how recent his last appearance was.
 

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I think that Isaac's main "rival" is K. Rool, since he's more popular overall, but considering the next several characters are going to be pure fan service, I expect Nintendo to pick more than one character from the ballot, meaning that Isaac and K. Rool are probably the winners. Inklings may also compete with Isaac for the second most popular ballot character, but since they are extremely new and already have some Mii customs and trophies based on them, I feel they will be left for Smash 5.
 

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I think that Isaac's main "rival" is K. Rool, since he's more popular overall, but considering the next several characters are going to be pure fan service, I expect Nintendo to pick more than one character from the ballot, meaning that Isaac and K. Rool are probably the winners.
In that case, let's hope development on Wolf has already started, since after not showing up at E3 + Sakurai's statements, Wolf fans have started to vote en masse on the ballot and no doubt he'll get more votes than K. Rool or Isaac.
 

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In that case, let's hope development on Wolf has already started, since after not showing up at E3 + Sakurai's statements, Wolf fans have started to vote en masse on the ballot and no doubt he'll get more votes than K. Rool or Isaac.
I believe we'll get a direct in August that will feature Wolf and he will probably be available for download after the presentation.
 

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The regular consumer's votes are generally more scattered, so I guess that may leave things untouched. The only front-runner characters I can see benefiting from these types of consumers voting are Bandanna Dee and especially the Inklings as their games are much newer.
I agree with Inkling but Waluigi, Daisy, Toad/Captain Toad, Dixie, Skull Kid, and Impa all showed up in games that are by and large just as current and will likely outclass Bandana Dee in terms of support from the regular consumer considering they hail from much more prolific series and/or popular games. And that's not even counting third-parties.

It's not as much about what is the newest possible game out at the time, it's what has been the most successful as of late that will show where the biggest audiences lie - which is what matters most when it comes to the more average consumer's vote.

I expect Pokemon votes to be more scattered due to the lack of a obvious front-runner characters. Same with Zelda characters. For the Mario franchise, I expect Toad and Waluigi to get the bulk of the votes. As for unrepresented franchises maybe votes for the Inklings.
I think Skull Kid (due to MM3D and just being a popular character) and Impa (due to Hyrule Warriors) will get the bulk of the Zelda vote. I agree Pokemon will be too scattered for any one character to really stand out though.
 

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I agree with Inkling but Waluigi, Daisy, Toad/Captain Toad, Dixie, Skull Kid, and Impa all showed up in games that are by and large just as current and will likely outclass Bandana Dee in terms of support from the regular consumer considering they hail from much more prolific series and/or popular games. And that's not even counting third-parties.

It's not as much about what is the newest possible game out at the time, it's what has been the most successful as of late that will show where the biggest audiences lie - which is what matters most when it comes to the more average consumer's vote.


I think Skull Kid (due to MM3D and just being a popular character) and Impa (due to Hyrule Warriors) will get the bulk of the Zelda vote. I agree Pokemon will be too scattered for any one character to really stand out though.
I still think whoever became an Assist Trophy, stays an Assist Trophy until the next game.

But I agree that success is another factor. Or at least that's the general idea I got from that interview when Sakurai justifies Duck Hunt's prescence in SSB (over the rest of the retro candidates).
 

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I agree with that, but that doesn't mean I don't think they'll still get a fair number of votes.
They will, because the everyone believes that this poll will also matter for the next instalment, whenever that pops up.

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USA needs Lost Age.
I don't understand why they don't, considering Europe and Japan have it. You can't play Golden Sun without playing the Lost Age. It's possible to live without Dark Dawn, but the original two always have to be paired up. Nintendo needs to make a Golden Sun bundle.
It's funny how Japan has both Golden Sun games considering that the fan base is larger here in the US (not sure about Europe).
 

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Seriously? We let our support thread fall of the first page of character discussion? For shame!

So, if they were to announce several characters at once (like Roy and Ryu were), would it be Isaac and K. Rool?
 

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So, if they were to announce several characters at once (like Roy and Ryu were), would it be Isaac and K. Rool?
Depends when they do it in the ballot's lifespan. If ballot characters start now, it might be Wolf and K. Rool next.
 
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Depends when they do it on the ballot's lifespan. If ballot characters start now, it might be Wolf and K. Rool next.
Or they could have Wolf, Isaac, and K. Rool, releasing three at once, just as they did by having Lucas released along the two unannounced guys. It would keep just as many characters coming as they did before, with one "expected" character and two newcomers!
 

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I really hope they don't throw three at us. I really hope it's spaced out, especially if we're only getting 2 more characters. If we get like 5 then whatever.
 

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I really hope they don't throw three at us. I really hope it's spaced out, especially if we're only getting 2 more characters. If we get like 5 then whatever.
If we did get five, who would they be?
 

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If we did get five, who would they be?
It depends on how much Sakurai is taking fan service into account. The likelihood of us getting say Banjo-Kazooie is low despite him being a top contender in the polls, but it's hard for us to determine the actual likelihood of us getting characters like Snake, Shantae, Shovel Knight etc. We also don't know if Sakurai might ignore some top contenders to save for Smash 5 (Inklings). We don't know for sure if Sakurai is going to put multiple characters from the same series as DLC (Dixie and Krystal who currently have less support then King K. Rool and Wolf, but are still polling well). It depends on Sakurai's actions, and he is known for surprises, but if we were to go with the polls viewing it from a pragmatic perspective (primarily Nintendo IP's), I'd guess Wolf (pre-ballot or ballot, there is a high probability he'll be in), King K. Rool, Isaac, and after that polling can vary heavily, but probably Inklings, Bandanna Dee, and Ice Climbers if they fix his issues.
 
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Thanks, i have been lurking these boards since october 2013 and i never had enough courage to join.
But now, i came out of the shadows to join the boards since i really enjoyed Golden Sun 1 and The lost Age and i
have hope that Isaac will join the battle.
You mean that Isaac will rock the competition. Get it, a rock joke. Cuz he controls rocks and the ground and stuff. Okay, I'll leave now.
 

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USA needs Lost Age.
Dunno why they're dragging their feet, the first one did pretty well for a VC game...

If we did get five, who would they be?
My guess...
Wolf
sixth Mario (who will be an unexpected character)
K. Rool
Isaac
Snake/Rayman (I think we'll be getting one more third-party but I wouldn't bank on Banjo or any indies)

I feel uncomfortable. Isaac has breasts.
Whatcha think he was wearing a breastplate for? :smirk:
 
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