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#094 - Gengar
Gengar is a ghost/poison type Pokemon, introduced in Generation 1. He (or she) is the final form of Gastly. Gengar, alongside his pre-evolutions, are the first Ghost type Pokemon that were introduced.
Why should Gengar be in Smash?
He is one of the most popular Pokemon and has a lot of moveset potential. He would also be the first ghost fighter to be playable in Smash.
What would Gengar be like in Smash?
Gengar would a fast character, as his speed stat is very high in games. Being a ghost, Gengar would likely be very light fighter. Gengar's moveset would be inspired from not only his moves from the games, but also from Pokken. His Final Smash would be Mega Gengar. Most of his moves would be Ghost-type, and while Mewtwo already has Shadow Ball, that doesn't mean he can't use it and Gengar still has many other Ghost type moves, like Shadow Punch, Night Shade and Nightmare, that he can use in Smash. Gengar can also learn many Psychic, Dark and Poison type moves, either by leveling up or by TM.
Arguments against Gengar:
We already have four Generation 1 Pokemon in Smash.
That is true, but Generation 1 is the most popular generation, and we had five Gen 1 Pokemon in Brawl.
Pokemon doesn't deserve more characters.
Pokemon is the second best-selling video game franchise of all-time, only behind Mario, who has seven reps. Pokemon getting seven reps would be justifiable, especially considering how many characters with moveset potential it has.
Gengar would be a random choice.
He is iconic and very popular Pokemon (he got into Pokken with fan demand), so he wouldn't be the most random choice. Gengar also has received very positive reception in media, and he had a major role in the original Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games.
We already have a DLC Pokemon for Smash.
That is true, and while Pokemon getting a second DLC rep is very unlikely, voting him in ballot might help him to get considered for Smash 5. However, Pokemon has received 1-2 additional characters in every Smash game, and Pokemon characters are well known and will most likely sell well, so virtually any Pokemon character is a huge moneymaking opportunity.
That is true, but Generation 1 is the most popular generation, and we had five Gen 1 Pokemon in Brawl.
Pokemon doesn't deserve more characters.
Pokemon is the second best-selling video game franchise of all-time, only behind Mario, who has seven reps. Pokemon getting seven reps would be justifiable, especially considering how many characters with moveset potential it has.
Gengar would be a random choice.
He is iconic and very popular Pokemon (he got into Pokken with fan demand), so he wouldn't be the most random choice. Gengar also has received very positive reception in media, and he had a major role in the original Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games.
We already have a DLC Pokemon for Smash.
That is true, and while Pokemon getting a second DLC rep is very unlikely, voting him in ballot might help him to get considered for Smash 5. However, Pokemon has received 1-2 additional characters in every Smash game, and Pokemon characters are well known and will most likely sell well, so virtually any Pokemon character is a huge moneymaking opportunity.
What are Gengar's chances to get in as DLC?
Like the title of this thread says, he has only a ghost of a chance, sadly. He barely has any support for Smash, and has a lot of competition. But that doesn't mean we can't support him!
Movesets
Feel free to post your moveset ideas.
By @
StormC
HEIGHT/FRAME:
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WALK SPEED: 1.13 (faster than Mr. Game And Watch, slower than Yoshi)
RUN SPEED: 1.84 (faster than Diddy Kong, slower than Pikachu)
WEIGHT: 92 (heavier than Palutena, lighter than Diddy Kong)
ENTRANCE: Phases into sight from invisibility.
IDLE STANCE:
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IDLE ANIMATION 1: Scratches its ear.
IDLE ANIMATION 2: Glances towards the screen out of the corner of its eye.
CROUCH: Submerges its lower half underground, phasing through the terrain.
WALK/RUN ANIMATION: Waddles forward for a walk, runs forward with arms swinging for a dash.
JUMP: High leap into the air with arms straight up.
SECOND JUMP: Floats upwards slightly, levitating for a limited time.
TAUNT 1: Sticks its tongue out.
TAUNT 2: Laughs while holding onto its belly.
TAUNT 3: Levitates playfully off the ground.
NEUTRAL ATTACK: Attacks with its tongue, sticking it out multiple times in succession.
DASH ATTACK: Thrusts its fist forward while sliding.
SIDE TILT: Thrusts its head forward, attacking with the ears.
UP TILT: Flicks its tongue around in the air.
DOWN TILT: Fires lasers out of its eyes.
FORWARD SMASH: Fires waves of dark energy in front of it.
UP SMASH: Hops up into the air, doing damage with its head and ears.
DOWN SMASH: Sticks its arms out on either side, creating dark energy to damage targets.
FLOOR ATTACK (FRONT): Licks forward and stands up.
FLOOR ATTACK (BACK): Claws behind and stands up.
FLOOR ATTACK (TRIP): Spins around on the ground and stands up.
LEDGE ATTACK: Claws forward and stands up.
NEUTRAL AERIAL: Spins around in a cartwheel-like fashion.
FORWARD AERIAL: Whips its tongue in front.
UP AERIAL: Fires a bolt of lightning upwards.
BACK AERIAL: Fires dark energy from behind.
DOWN AERIAL: Sticks its leg out and kicks downwards.
GRAB: Swipes its hand forward to grab its target.
PUMMEL: Licks repeatedly and lets them go.
FORWARD THROW: Fires a Shadow Ball at them, pushing them into the air.
UP THROW: Tosses them over his head.
BACK THROW: Turns 180 degrees and throws them to the side.
DOWN THROW: Throws them onto the ground, then ground pounds them.
NEUTRAL SPECIAL (CONFUSE RAY): A quick technique that can make the opponent's next move damage themselves instead of their target.
SIDE SPECIAL (HYPNOSIS): Will temporarily put the opponent to sleep.
UP SPECIAL (SHADOW CLAW): Forming dark energy around its hand, Gengar moves upwards in a slight arc, swiping with its hand and leaving a trail of dark energy.
DOWN SPECIAL (DREAM EATER): Does damage to asleep enemies while also healing Gengar. Can be used on targets that are asleep for reasons other than Hypnosis.
FINAL SMASH (MEGA GENGAR): One summoned, characters in front of Gengar are trapped as Gengar deals damage to them, then sends them flying once the transformation wears off.
VICTORY 1: Phases upwards from the ground, grinning.
VICTORY 2: Phases into sight from invisibility, laughing.
VICTORY 3: Levitating off the ground, floating around.
WALK SPEED: 1.13 (faster than Mr. Game And Watch, slower than Yoshi)
RUN SPEED: 1.84 (faster than Diddy Kong, slower than Pikachu)
WEIGHT: 92 (heavier than Palutena, lighter than Diddy Kong)
ENTRANCE: Phases into sight from invisibility.
IDLE STANCE:
IDLE ANIMATION 1: Scratches its ear.
IDLE ANIMATION 2: Glances towards the screen out of the corner of its eye.
CROUCH: Submerges its lower half underground, phasing through the terrain.
WALK/RUN ANIMATION: Waddles forward for a walk, runs forward with arms swinging for a dash.
JUMP: High leap into the air with arms straight up.
SECOND JUMP: Floats upwards slightly, levitating for a limited time.
TAUNT 1: Sticks its tongue out.
TAUNT 2: Laughs while holding onto its belly.
TAUNT 3: Levitates playfully off the ground.
NEUTRAL ATTACK: Attacks with its tongue, sticking it out multiple times in succession.
DASH ATTACK: Thrusts its fist forward while sliding.
SIDE TILT: Thrusts its head forward, attacking with the ears.
UP TILT: Flicks its tongue around in the air.
DOWN TILT: Fires lasers out of its eyes.
FORWARD SMASH: Fires waves of dark energy in front of it.
UP SMASH: Hops up into the air, doing damage with its head and ears.
DOWN SMASH: Sticks its arms out on either side, creating dark energy to damage targets.
FLOOR ATTACK (FRONT): Licks forward and stands up.
FLOOR ATTACK (BACK): Claws behind and stands up.
FLOOR ATTACK (TRIP): Spins around on the ground and stands up.
LEDGE ATTACK: Claws forward and stands up.
NEUTRAL AERIAL: Spins around in a cartwheel-like fashion.
FORWARD AERIAL: Whips its tongue in front.
UP AERIAL: Fires a bolt of lightning upwards.
BACK AERIAL: Fires dark energy from behind.
DOWN AERIAL: Sticks its leg out and kicks downwards.
GRAB: Swipes its hand forward to grab its target.
PUMMEL: Licks repeatedly and lets them go.
FORWARD THROW: Fires a Shadow Ball at them, pushing them into the air.
UP THROW: Tosses them over his head.
BACK THROW: Turns 180 degrees and throws them to the side.
DOWN THROW: Throws them onto the ground, then ground pounds them.
NEUTRAL SPECIAL (CONFUSE RAY): A quick technique that can make the opponent's next move damage themselves instead of their target.
SIDE SPECIAL (HYPNOSIS): Will temporarily put the opponent to sleep.
UP SPECIAL (SHADOW CLAW): Forming dark energy around its hand, Gengar moves upwards in a slight arc, swiping with its hand and leaving a trail of dark energy.
DOWN SPECIAL (DREAM EATER): Does damage to asleep enemies while also healing Gengar. Can be used on targets that are asleep for reasons other than Hypnosis.
FINAL SMASH (MEGA GENGAR): One summoned, characters in front of Gengar are trapped as Gengar deals damage to them, then sends them flying once the transformation wears off.
VICTORY 1: Phases upwards from the ground, grinning.
VICTORY 2: Phases into sight from invisibility, laughing.
VICTORY 3: Levitating off the ground, floating around.
By @
PhantomShab
Neutral-B: Sludge Bomb
Gengar lobs a ball of sludge forward in an arc and briefly poisons whoever it hits, racking up small bits of damage. Sludge Bomb can be charged into a bigger ball with longer lasting poison damage, but you can't "carry" the charge like Samus' Charge Shot for example, making it more like Bowser Jr.'s Clown Cannon.
Down-B: Hypnosis
Gengar shoots a slow short ranged beam from his eyes. Anybody hit by it falls asleep, with the sleep time being longer depending on the opponent's damage. Range is about twice as far as Mewtwo's Disable. Also like Mewtwo's Disable, Hypnosis will only work if Gengar and the opponent are facing each other.
Side-B: Hex
Gengar sticks his arm out and makes a small ghostly energy ball explode in his hand. Does mediocre damage on it's own, but does double damage if the opponent is asleep, poisoned, dizzy, etc.
Up-B: Dark Pulse
Gengar quickly flies straight in whichever direction you push while surrounded by a shadowy aura. Anybody he touches during the moves takes damage.
Gengar lobs a ball of sludge forward in an arc and briefly poisons whoever it hits, racking up small bits of damage. Sludge Bomb can be charged into a bigger ball with longer lasting poison damage, but you can't "carry" the charge like Samus' Charge Shot for example, making it more like Bowser Jr.'s Clown Cannon.
Down-B: Hypnosis
Gengar shoots a slow short ranged beam from his eyes. Anybody hit by it falls asleep, with the sleep time being longer depending on the opponent's damage. Range is about twice as far as Mewtwo's Disable. Also like Mewtwo's Disable, Hypnosis will only work if Gengar and the opponent are facing each other.
Side-B: Hex
Gengar sticks his arm out and makes a small ghostly energy ball explode in his hand. Does mediocre damage on it's own, but does double damage if the opponent is asleep, poisoned, dizzy, etc.
Up-B: Dark Pulse
Gengar quickly flies straight in whichever direction you push while surrounded by a shadowy aura. Anybody he touches during the moves takes damage.
By @Bobert77
Speed: Walk 2/10 (~
) Run (floats) 5/10 (~)Jump: 5/10 (~
) Airspeed 8/10 (~)Weight: 7/10 (~
) Fall speed 1/10 (~)Other characteristics:
-Two Jumps
-No Wall Jump
-No Wall Cling
-No Tether
-Invincibility on Up B
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A: a quick arm swipe
A+A: a second arm swipe
A+A+A: a quick headbutt with it's head spikes
ftilt: Lick-smacks opponent with tongue (stuns at higher percents)
dtilt: does a quick sweep with his tail, trips
utilt: a small upwards hop hitting with his head spikes
FSmash: Shadow Punch-Fades to Black and does a powerful punch that moves him forward slightly
DSmash: Waves of shadowy energy ripples outward on the ground,
USmash: Night Shade-an upwards blast of shadow energy above Gengar's head
Nair: Night Shade-multiple hits trapping
Fair: Shadow Claw-a quick strong swipe forward
Bair: a backwards drop kick
Uair: Shadow Claw-quick overhead swipes
Dair: Night Shade-strong downward blast of shadow energy, spikes
Grab: Haze-traps foe in a shadowy haze
Pummel: Haze damages opponent
FThrow: a small shadow blast shoots opponent forward
DThrow: slams opponent into the ground doing multiple hits with his haze (Zelda and Ness dthrow)
BThrow: a quick circle throw backwards (Mario and Wario bthrow)
UThrow: tosses opponent upwards onto head and back spikes
Neutral B: Sludge Bomb-works like it does in Gen 6, arcs forward and a blast of poison knocks the opponent away
Side B: Hypnosis-Shoots a hypnotic beam forward, if the opponent faces Gengar within the beam they will fall asleep, range is similar to Pac-Man's grab
Down B: Dream Eater-command grab-Works like a mix between Wario's bite and Robin's Nosferatu, doesn't do damage unless the opponent was sleeping though it still works as a grab, can drain health to heal Gengar if opponent was sleeping
Up B: Phantom Force-A Teleporting move, initial invincibility frames, vanishes and warps, reappears and does a decent amount of damage, also isn't affected by sheilding, but requires a fair amount of cool down amoung landing, covers about the same distance as Sheik's Vanish
(note: Gengar doesn't actually learn Phantom Force in game, for some reason, but it fits his character and Smash is not about what they can actually do but what works for the character, remember Rayquaza uses Dig in Brawl when he doesn't learn it in game)
Final Smash
Mega Gengar-Dark Pulse
-Traps nearby opponents, will send out a Dark Pulse which hits repeatedly with waves of darkness, then sends opponents flying with a powerful final hit
Taunts
-becomes a black silhouette chuckles intently
-waves his tongue mischieviously
-holds his hand to his mouth and snickers to himself
By @BarnOwlsRSoAdorable (from an old Gengar support thread)
Playstyle:
Gengar is a character that mainly focuses on being annoying to fit his role in Mystery Dungeon (still no spoilers!). He has Embargo which prevents an opponent from using items, Taunt which makes opponents only able to attack Gengar and no other characters for a few seconds and Sucker Punch which can be unexpected. However, Gengar is a very light character and has a bigger hitbox than most light characters so he'll be KOed the fastest of any character.
Moves:
A: Shadow Claw- Gengar slashes. The maximum combo is 5 slashes
A side: Lick- Gengar swings his tongue at the opponent.
A up: Payback- Gengar slams upward
A down: Night Shade- creates a shadow barrier around Gengar for 1 second
B: Embargo- If it works, the opponent is not allowed to use items (except Smash Ball)
B side: Poison Jab- 5 punches that do damage and make opponents take damage over time
B up: Sucker Punch- Gengar teleports and lands and uppercut. This is also used for recovery
B down: Taunt- Gengar is the only opponent that can be hit for about 3 seconds
Pummel: Licks the opponent
Front Throw: Gengar smashes the opponent away
Back Throw Gengar swings the foe away
Up Throw: Gengar slashes the opponent upward
Down Throw: Gengar throws a shadow ball at the opponent
Final Smash: Hex- Gengar sends a giant ghostly vortex that brings foes near it and brings them in it. If a foe is in it, they will take damage until the vortex explodes doing serious knockback.
Gengar is a character that mainly focuses on being annoying to fit his role in Mystery Dungeon (still no spoilers!). He has Embargo which prevents an opponent from using items, Taunt which makes opponents only able to attack Gengar and no other characters for a few seconds and Sucker Punch which can be unexpected. However, Gengar is a very light character and has a bigger hitbox than most light characters so he'll be KOed the fastest of any character.
Moves:
A: Shadow Claw- Gengar slashes. The maximum combo is 5 slashes
A side: Lick- Gengar swings his tongue at the opponent.
A up: Payback- Gengar slams upward
A down: Night Shade- creates a shadow barrier around Gengar for 1 second
B: Embargo- If it works, the opponent is not allowed to use items (except Smash Ball)
B side: Poison Jab- 5 punches that do damage and make opponents take damage over time
B up: Sucker Punch- Gengar teleports and lands and uppercut. This is also used for recovery
B down: Taunt- Gengar is the only opponent that can be hit for about 3 seconds
Pummel: Licks the opponent
Front Throw: Gengar smashes the opponent away
Back Throw Gengar swings the foe away
Up Throw: Gengar slashes the opponent upward
Down Throw: Gengar throws a shadow ball at the opponent
Final Smash: Hex- Gengar sends a giant ghostly vortex that brings foes near it and brings them in it. If a foe is in it, they will take damage until the vortex explodes doing serious knockback.
By GameFAQs user called Davidk92 (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/68909236):
AAA: Gengar performs three swift slashes with its claws.
A>: Gengar makes a funny face, somehow knocking the opponent back with it [Mean Look].
A^: Gengar swings its arm above its head, releasing a trail of dark energy.
Av: Gengar dives into its shadow then leaps out, headbutting anyone above it.
Smash>: Gengar punches forward, a burst of dark energy flying from its fist [Shadow Punch].
Smash^: Gengar crouches down and extends the spikes on its back upwards.
Smashv: Gengar releases a powerful shockwave along the ground from itself [Dark Pulse].
Air A: Gengar slashes with its claws.
Air A>: Gengar lashes its tongue forward [Lick].
Air A^: Gengar flips upside down, striking above with its tail.
Air Av: Gengar stomps downwards.
Grab: Gengar sends a shadow of itself forward to grab the opponent, which turns into the real Gengar.
Grab A: Gengar bites the opponent.
Grab A>: Gengar jumps up and drop kicks the opponent away.
Grab A<: Gengar ducks behind the opponent and smacks them away [Sucker Punch].
Grab A^: Gengar dives into its shadow and appears under the opponent, launching them upwards.
Grab Av: Gengar throws the opponent down and body slams them.
B: Hypnosis/Dream Eater. Gengar releases a pink wave from its eyes, sending anyone hit by it to sleep. If the wave hits someone who is already asleep, then it deals moderate damage while reducing Gengar's damage meter by half the damage dealt.
B>: Night Shade. Gengar's eyes glow and it releases a powerful burst of energy directly in front of it. The burst of energy does dark damage and is unaffected by counters and if the opponent is in the centre of the burst will even shatter their guard. However, the attack has limited range and only affects those directly in front of Gengar.
B^: Hex. Gengar summons a demonic eye above itself and slowly rises into the air, cackling. The eye surrounds itself and Gengar in a barrier of dark energy, damaging anyone they touch. However the barrier does not stop projectiles and the attack can be cancelled.
Bv: Confuse Ray. Gengar releases a ball of light from its mouth which suddenly bursts. Anyone hit by the burst is immediately stunned, staggering as if their shield had just been destroyed for a few seconds.
Final Smash: Mega Gengar. Gengar pulls out the Gengarite, cackles and then eats it, transforming into Mega Gengar. As Mega Gengar, Gengar retains it's usual fighting style but becomes faster and less vulnerable to damage, while its B attacks become more powerful. This Final Smash lasts 13 seconds.
A>: Gengar makes a funny face, somehow knocking the opponent back with it [Mean Look].
A^: Gengar swings its arm above its head, releasing a trail of dark energy.
Av: Gengar dives into its shadow then leaps out, headbutting anyone above it.
Smash>: Gengar punches forward, a burst of dark energy flying from its fist [Shadow Punch].
Smash^: Gengar crouches down and extends the spikes on its back upwards.
Smashv: Gengar releases a powerful shockwave along the ground from itself [Dark Pulse].
Air A: Gengar slashes with its claws.
Air A>: Gengar lashes its tongue forward [Lick].
Air A^: Gengar flips upside down, striking above with its tail.
Air Av: Gengar stomps downwards.
Grab: Gengar sends a shadow of itself forward to grab the opponent, which turns into the real Gengar.
Grab A: Gengar bites the opponent.
Grab A>: Gengar jumps up and drop kicks the opponent away.
Grab A<: Gengar ducks behind the opponent and smacks them away [Sucker Punch].
Grab A^: Gengar dives into its shadow and appears under the opponent, launching them upwards.
Grab Av: Gengar throws the opponent down and body slams them.
B: Hypnosis/Dream Eater. Gengar releases a pink wave from its eyes, sending anyone hit by it to sleep. If the wave hits someone who is already asleep, then it deals moderate damage while reducing Gengar's damage meter by half the damage dealt.
B>: Night Shade. Gengar's eyes glow and it releases a powerful burst of energy directly in front of it. The burst of energy does dark damage and is unaffected by counters and if the opponent is in the centre of the burst will even shatter their guard. However, the attack has limited range and only affects those directly in front of Gengar.
B^: Hex. Gengar summons a demonic eye above itself and slowly rises into the air, cackling. The eye surrounds itself and Gengar in a barrier of dark energy, damaging anyone they touch. However the barrier does not stop projectiles and the attack can be cancelled.
Bv: Confuse Ray. Gengar releases a ball of light from its mouth which suddenly bursts. Anyone hit by the burst is immediately stunned, staggering as if their shield had just been destroyed for a few seconds.
Final Smash: Mega Gengar. Gengar pulls out the Gengarite, cackles and then eats it, transforming into Mega Gengar. As Mega Gengar, Gengar retains it's usual fighting style but becomes faster and less vulnerable to damage, while its B attacks become more powerful. This Final Smash lasts 13 seconds.
Alternate colors
Feel free to post your palette swap ideas.
Bad MS Paint palette swaps by me:
1. Normal Gengar
2. R/S/E/FR/LG/D/P/Pt Gengar (different shade of purple)
3. Misdreavus
4. Original Sugimori art Gengar
5. Banette
6. Gastly/Red & Blue Gengar
7. Clefable
8. Reverse-colored Gengar (Red body, purple eyes)
White Gengar palette swaps are extras: the upper one is based on Shiny Mega Gengar, while below one isn't based on anything.
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Jigglystep
Support icons
By @BigJuicyMeatball
Supporters
1. M.P.
2. StormC
3. iLLEST
4. GenieGene
5. udime123
6. PhantomShab
7. TheSquishiestManatee
8. Dark Phazon
9. slambros
10. shane3x
11. Raxxel
12. OranGiraffe
13. Jigglystep
14. MentalDaemon
15. Wintropy
16. KingShadow
2. StormC
3. iLLEST
4. GenieGene
5. udime123
6. PhantomShab
7. TheSquishiestManatee
8. Dark Phazon
9. slambros
10. shane3x
11. Raxxel
12. OranGiraffe
13. Jigglystep
14. MentalDaemon
15. Wintropy
16. KingShadow
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