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Back Room Tier List Opinions

Discussion in 'Smash 64 Discussion' started by ballin4life, Sep 20, 2011.

  1. ballin4life

    ballin4life Smash Debater

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    Considering that every other noob that comes in here thinks Ness is the greatest, I really don't think you can say Sakurai screwed him over.

    Kirby, on the other hand, is obviously overpowered.
  2. prisonchild

    prisonchild Smash Ace

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    why does everyone piss on luigi all the time? he's easily top tier. his only knock is lack of approach but he's the **** everywhere else.
  3. M!nt

    M!nt Smash Champion

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    why does everyone piss on ness all the time? he's easily top tier. his only knock is lack of recovery but he's the **** everywhere else.
  4. Morin0

    Morin0 Smash Lord

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    floatiness/approach capabilities =/= godawful recovery
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    Lukinhasss Smash Lord

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    I agree.

    :awesome:
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    SSBPete Smash Lord

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    Ridiculously slow horizontal and vertical movement

    :phone:
  7. prisonchild

    prisonchild Smash Ace

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    well how is he supposed to have fast horizontal and vertical movement if he's floaty?

    i try to use his slow speed and floatiness to his advantage
  8. Battlecow

    Battlecow Play to Win

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    I always hate these discussions.

    Luigi is a bad character for a ****load of reasons, and the only way to really understand them is to play against good people. I guarantee you that after stepping up your level of play, you'll realize that, oh wait, luigi is actually a **** character.

    inb4 I'm really good because I can beat my little brother and all of my friends.
  9. Lukinhasss

    Lukinhasss Smash Lord

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    Poor Luigi...

    At least he is a little better in Brawl...
  10. prisonchild

    prisonchild Smash Ace

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    the only to way to understand is to play a good luigi...
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    dandan Smash Lord

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    i feel a money match coming ;)
  12. clubbadubba

    clubbadubba Smash Master

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    There are definitely good luigi's out there. The only thing is that players who have good luigi's usually have better pika's, kirby's, fox's, falcon's, mario's, yoshi's, dk's, puff's, and sometimes ness/link and even samus. At the highest level the game really boils down to who can penetrate the others defenses (or who can wait long enough for the other to fail lol), and luigi gets ****ed in that area. I don't really understand what you mean when you say you use luigi's slowness to your advantage. Elaborate?

    Also, I feel safe in saying Bcow has played some of the best luigi's in NA, but he's also played some of the best top tier characters and would much prefer to play against a good luigi than a good pika/kirby/fox/falcon, as would pretty much everyone.
  13. prisonchild

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    you'll have to forgive me, i have an affinity towards the lower tier characters.

    except for fox, i find fox really fun to play with.
  14. clubbadubba

    clubbadubba Smash Master

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    Forgiven, I <3 Luigi too :)
  15. Lukinhasss

    Lukinhasss Smash Lord

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    Is there a MU chart for smash 64?
  16. Claire Diviner

    Claire Diviner Oerba Dia Diviner

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    http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Character_matchups_%28SSB%29

    This is the only place where I could find one. I don't know if there's one somewhere on SWF. That said, seeing as it's from Smash Wiki, I don't know how frequently they update the data, so take the link at face value.
  17. ballin4life

    ballin4life Smash Debater

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    disproving determinism

  18. Lukinhasss

    Lukinhasss Smash Lord

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    Jigglypuff has really bad MUs on this stage lol.
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    That's because she gets mauled off the sides and top so damn easily. I remember messing around with my friends on Yoshi's and getting so frustrated at dying to a DK Bthrow at <20% on the left cloud...
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    I suspected that ...

    Jiggly is the character who has the lower weight on the game ...
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    low weight does not automatically mean bad matchups

    and jiggs' matchups don't look great, but she has comparatively decent ones vs high tiers and a lot of bad ones vs low tiers, which is...interesting, to say the least
  22. The Star King

    The Star King Smash Hero

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    Yeah Jigglypuff is mediocre vs everyone lol. Ness might be her only advantage. But I think that's better than getting absolutely destroyed by top tiers
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    Lukinhasss Smash Lord

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    I'm beginning to think that I made a bad choice maining Ness.
    :joey:
  24. Sempiternity

    Sempiternity Smash Lord

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    When did you think it was a good choice?
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    Lukinhasss Smash Lord

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    When I decided to main him.
    [​IMG]
  26. Krynxe

    Krynxe I can't pronounce it either

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    Well, Ness has a lot of unlocked potential

    He's probably not better than his tier placing implies, people just don't know it yet
  27. Sempiternity

    Sempiternity Smash Lord

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    what is this post

    i initially read "not" as "a lot" and the whole post made tons of sense in that it was a fancy way of saying "ness is good if you know how to use him" (which is obviously true) and i was about to (Y) you
  28. The Star King

    The Star King Smash Hero

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    ^Wow the exact same thing happened to me

    Now I'm confused
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    asianaussie Smash Debater

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    ^you aren't alone

    i thought i had replied to the post by the internet crapped out and i cbf'd retyping the reply
  30. Battlecow

    Battlecow Play to Win

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    You guys are SLOW

    it's a clever post. He's saying Ness is bad, which is obviously true, but in such a way that he APPEARS to be defending the character at first blush.
  31. Krynxe

    Krynxe I can't pronounce it either

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    Thank you Battlecow

    Somebody gets me *hairflip*
  32. The Star King

    The Star King Smash Hero

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    Then the "unlocked potential" doesn't make sense then

    Unlocked potential for being exactly where he is on the tier list doesn't make sense

    UR SLOW
  33. JaimeHR

    JaimeHR Smash Ace

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    Ness' recovery is proably the main reason he's bad.

    I remember that there used to be a rule about not being able to CP Ness on Saffron because the stage was so unfair for him lol.

    Banning a stage to make a character viable, that's how bad is Ness. (Of course that was before the "helipad camping" issue)
  34. Krynxe

    Krynxe I can't pronounce it either

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    Locked potential -> Potential to be had; unopened
    Unlocked potential -> potential already had, etc

    obv :rolleyes:
  35. Battlecow

    Battlecow Play to Win

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    Unlocked potential as in potential that has already been unlocked. The same potential that allows him to be low tier but not rock bottom. It makes perfect sense, O Sultan of Sluggishness.
  36. prisonchild

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    saying that someone has 'a lot of unlocked potential' is a very obscure way of saying that they have little remaining potential.

    'he's probably not better than his tier placing implies' = he's probably worse/the same. 'people just don't know it yet' makes the least sense of the post, since little remaining potential means that people should, in fact, know it already.

    unlocked is usually a synonym for untapped but i guess if used literally it would mean revealed. bleh what a mess of a post.

    /buzzkill
  37. Battlecow

    Battlecow Play to Win

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    ... Where did you get the impression that I was confused about the meaning of the post?

    The "people just don't know it yet" means that most people assume ness is good--something smashboards posters really should know by now, considering the number of posts we get saying exactly that. Unlocked is never a synonym for untapped, it means (in this instance) potential that has already been realized.
  38. Sempiternity

    Sempiternity Smash Lord

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    i don't think it was that clever

    just riddled with obfuscation

    clever != unclear
  39. Krynxe

    Krynxe I can't pronounce it either

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    >Makes joke
    >Massive butt-frustration and semantics argument

    okay smashboards
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