Anything Can Change! Chrom for SSB4 - Closing Remarks, and an Invitation

[LEGOfan12]

I support Chrom to be DLC. He's one of my favorite characters in Awakening and I think he deserves it.

 

[Deviddo]

Here's another ask: "Why should Chrom be a DLC character over other characters that didn't make the cut for ssb4?"

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Is this really what this thread is becoming.A what if this happened or what if this happened.Or why did they choose this character over this character.If there's is DLC maybe chrom could happen but i think the odds of Chrom ever being in gets shot everytime you look at robin.I think by the time smash 6 comes around well get Marth,Ike,Robin,[insert new fire emblem character]

 

[guedes the brawler]

the fact that Lucina is in the game but he isn't should be more than enough, imo.

but come on, if we are to trust sakurai, Chrom's problem was moveset, but not in the "Chrom has no potential" (though sakurai needs to grow out of that dumb mentality: everyone has potential), but rather, robin had more.

Chrom has potential to be unique, fun, and he deserves to be in smash due to his role in awakening (and the game's role in the series); especially since a less important character of the same game is playable before him.

Oh, it's noteworthy that Sakurai has the model for Chrom ready; i heard modeling is rather expensive, so this should make Chrom "easy cash grab" when compared to other potential choices: ATs would need better models, whereas new characters would need a model made from scratch.

 

[MindlessFire]

I've always wondered what the reaction from the Japanese fans that Reflet got added in SSB4 instead of Chrom. Does anyone have any information on that?

 

[Deviddo]

I'm pretty sure most individuals are incredibly accepting of the Avatar character over Chrom, really. It's not like it ISN'T a smart choice.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Thing is, we will need their help at some point. there ought to be some japanese people willing to have Chrom as DLC.

 

[Pokechu]

I don't get what was so wrong with Lucina being in but Chrom not. Lucina was planned as an alt cosutme, but got bumped. What's the big deal?

 

[Deviddo]

Some people feel that Chrom deserves a spot more, while others disagree.

 

[Oblivion129]

Here's another ask: "Why should Chrom be a DLC character over other characters that didn't make the cut for ssb4?"

We don't really know who Sakurai would pick. It depends on which characters make it in the game and if Sakurai could find something to do with Chrom. The best we can do with gather people to support him.

 

[Deviddo]

Here's the first ask, up and answered.

http://chromforsmash.tumblr.com/post/95968347741/also-do-you-think-chrom-could-use-skills-as-seen-by

 

[08skidoosh80]

So he couldn't think of a move set for Chrom, huh....

DOES SAKURAI EVEN MASTER SEAL!!

 

[Skyblade12]

So he couldn't think of a move set for Chrom, huh....

DOES SAKURAI EVEN MASTER SEAL!!

A Master Seal doesn't change Chrom's moveset at all. A Second Seal, possibly, though it would still feel utterly wrong to have Archer Chrom, and Cavalier Chrom isn't much better.

 

[08skidoosh80]

A Master Seal doesn't change Chrom's moveset at all. A Second Seal, possibly, though it would still feel utterly wrong to have Archer Chrom, and Cavalier Chrom isn't much better.

When Chrom becomes a Great Lord in Awakening, he gets the power to use a lance, which most have suggested his moveset should have comprised of.

 

[Skyblade12]

When Chrom becomes a Great Lord in Awakening, he gets the power to use a lance, which most have suggested his moveset should have comprised of.

Which would have then had 95% of the players going "WTF happened to Falchion?".

Chrom is a sword-wielder. Every line of dialogue, every point of the story reinforces this. Falchion is his weapon. Giving him lances would not work.

 

[08skidoosh80]

Which would have then had 95% of the players going "WTF happened to Falchion?".

Chrom is a sword-wielder. Every line of dialogue, every point of the story reinforces this. Falchion is his weapon. Giving him lances would not work.

I always thought Chrom could use the Falchion for his smash attacks, and would use a spear for his specials.
He could even have a special that would change his stance from sword to lance, which I think could differentiate him from other sword-wielders in the roster.

 

[Oblivion129]

I always thought Chrom could use the Falchion for his smash attacks, and would use a spear for his specials.
He could even have a special that would change his stance from sword to lance, which I think could differentiate him from other sword-wielders in the roster.

I think what happened is that Robin just fit in more smoother, having swords and magic, it was a lot more easier to make a moveset and differentiate him from Marth and Ike.
So it probably isn't even Chrom's fault. I'm sure Sakurai could think of a moveset like a lot of people that thought of the sword + lance thing.

 

[08skidoosh80]

I think what happened is that Robin just fit in more smoother, having swords and magic, it was a lot more easier to make a moveset and differentiate him from Marth and Ike.
So it probably isn't even Chrom's fault. I'm sure Sakurai could think of a moveset like a lot of people that thought of the sword + lance thing.

True.
I myself am still hoping Bandana Dee gets in!

 

[Oblivion129]

True.
I myself am still hoping Bandana Dee gets in!

Yeah, Bandana Dee would be THE lance/spear user. And a Chrom with a weapon switching mechanic won't get in the way of him since it'll be totally different.

 

[Skyblade12]

Yeah, Bandana Dee would be THE lance/spear user. And a Chrom with a weapon switching mechanic won't get in the way of him since it'll be totally different.

Nephenee is THE lance/spear user.

I really don't think there's any chance Sakurai would drop Chrom's iconic weapon. If he gets a unique spear in his next game, it's a possibility, but if not, no chance.

 

[Oblivion129]

Nephenee is THE lance/spear user.

I really don't think there's any chance Sakurai would drop Chrom's iconic weapon. If he gets a unique spear in his next game, it's a possibility, but if not, no chance.

Nephenee is cool and all but I barely used her. Maybe in 1 or 2 chapters. Mia is best PoR girl.

Since Lucina inherits the Falchion (I suppose), I can see Chrom using a different weapon in the future.
This is assuming Lucina goes back to her time and there's only one Falchion, but there's also the chance that there will be two Falchions. I'm not sure how time-travel will work.

 

[Robertman2]

Nephenee is cool and all but I barely used her. Maybe in 1 or 2 chapters. Mia is best PoR girl.

Since Lucina inherits the Falchion (I suppose), I can see Chrom using a different weapon in the future.
This is assuming Lucina goes back to her time and there's only one Falchion, but there's also the chance that there will be two Falchions. I'm not sure how time-travel will work.

It heavily impiles that she stays in the past. Also, how else would she be able to try to save Chrom from ?

 

[Two Big Guys For You]

Here's another ask: "Why should Chrom be a DLC character over other characters that didn't make the cut for ssb4?"

He's a lance user in the endgame so he wouldn't have to be a clone. Imagine a staff-user.


Also I found out the director for there will be brawl is Chrom's English VA... That's gotta suck to be delegated to a final smash.

 

[MindlessFire]

He's a lance user in the endgame so he wouldn't have to be a clone. Imagine a staff-user.


Also I found out the director for there will be brawl is Chrom's English VA... That's gotta suck to be delegated to a final smash.

That's why I felt so bad when Chrom was cut. It's obvious that Matthew Mercer is a huge Super Smash Bros fan.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Nephenee is cool and all but I barely used her. Maybe in 1 or 2 chapters. Mia is best PoR girl.
.

you don't know what you missed. one of the best units in both games

I don't get what was so wrong with Lucina being in but Chrom not. Lucina was planned as an alt cosutme, but got bumped. What's the big deal?

regardless of your opinion on who is the protagonist and deuteragonist, one thing is unquestionable: Lucina is less notable than both Chrom and Robin due to being the Tritagonist.


It's ridiculous to have her playable when Chrom is not. The logic behind her roster spot is fine, but it still stands that she was ghoing to be playable as an alt anyways.

I always thought Chrom could use the Falchion for his smash attacks, and would use a spear for his specials.
He could even have a special that would change his stance from sword to lance, which I think could differentiate him from other sword-wielders in the roster.

Nephenee is THE lance/spear user.

I really don't think there's any chance Sakurai would drop Chrom's iconic weapon. If he gets a unique spear in his next game, it's a possibility, but if not, no chance.

i agree with skyblade

the problem with the Lance-switch idea people like to throw around is that Robin does weapon switching in the exact same way, and if we were to make Chrom more unique, he'd have to use the Lance more than the falchion. Besides a 1-2 side-b, if Chrom is to have weapon switching, he needs to have a "sidegrade" system instead of an "upgrade" system like Robin's.

with that mindset, the Falchion isn't dropped nor really outclassed, but it can simply be switched to a weapon more fit to your situation or playstyle (IMO that's a better representation of weapon switching in FE than what we have so far, which doesn't mean we got bad representation regarding that, btw).

Lance representation should really be relegated to Javelins (with spear and possibly hand axe custom moves). It's the one who also makes the most sense due to Chrom being previously mono-sword (of all lances, the 1-2 ones are the ones you are more likely to use due to the Levin sword sucking for chrom) and is generally what would be more unique gameplay-wise. Actually, since it's a projectile, it would add far more to chrom's game than what a melee lance would, most likely.

 

[guedes the brawler]

damnit, i thought i was editing, not making a new post!

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Regardless of whether you personally think Lucina is more deserving than Chrom or not, there is no point in detractors complaining about her at this point because no amounts of complaints is going to change Lucina being playable whilst Chrom isn't. (for the record, I would not have minded Chrom being playable and I'd be all like "Hmm, Chrom is playable and Robin/Lucina isn't? Okay." had the Gematsu leak actually been true and that we had gotten Chrom as the sole Awakening character, but that's a whole different matter).

Lucina's still a good character, though.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Regardless of whether you personally think Lucina is more deserving than Chrom or not, there is no point in detractors complaining about her at this point because no amounts of complaints is going to change Lucina being playable whilst Chrom isn't. (for the record, I would not have minded Chrom being playable and I'd be all like "Hmm, Chrom is playable and Robin/Lucina isn't? Okay." had the Gematsu leak actually been true and that we had gotten Chrom as the sole Awakening character, but that's a whole different matter).

Lucina's still a good character, though.

that is the whole point of this movement. getting chrom to DLC via our voices being heard.



i mean, going back to what the recent question was; Chrom has importance, a good amount of popularity, and was considered even when Sakruai didn't see potential... his model is very detailed (so one of the big expenses of making a new character is greatly reduced, they'd only really need to design the non-Falchion weapons he may have, maybe modify the texture to look better). If Sakurai has extra time to see the potential in Chrom, i'm sure he is one of the most likely DLC characters that aren't cut veterans

 

[08skidoosh80]

you don't know what you missed. one of the best units in both games



regardless of your opinion on who is the protagonist and deuteragonist, one thing is unquestionable: Lucina is less notable than both Chrom and Robin due to being the Tritagonist.


It's ridiculous to have her playable when Chrom is not. The logic behind her roster spot is fine, but it still stands that she was ghoing to be playable as an alt anyways.





i agree with skyblade

the problem with the Lance-switch idea people like to throw around is that Robin does weapon switching in the exact same way, and if we were to make Chrom more unique, he'd have to use the Lance more than the falchion. Besides a 1-2 side-b, if Chrom is to have weapon switching, he needs to have a "sidegrade" system instead of an "upgrade" system like Robin's.

with that mindset, the Falchion isn't dropped nor really outclassed, but it can simply be switched to a weapon more fit to your situation or playstyle (IMO that's a better representation of weapon switching in FE than what we have so far, which doesn't mean we got bad representation regarding that, btw).

Lance representation should really be relegated to Javelins (with spear and possibly hand axe custom moves). It's the one who also makes the most sense due to Chrom being previously mono-sword (of all lances, the 1-2 ones are the ones you are more likely to use due to the Levin sword sucking for chrom) and is generally what would be more unique gameplay-wise. Actually, since it's a projectile, it would add far more to chrom's game than what a melee lance would, most likely.

Great ideas!
Just as long as he gets in, I'm happy any way he plays

 

[guedes the brawler]

Great ideas!
Just as long as he gets in, I'm happy any way he plays

thanks! the second post of page 113 has my little resumé of what Chrom could bring to the table, you might want to read it!
Page 103 has my rather long idea about Swithcing /swords which i referred to in the post on page 113, you could read it as well (it's a little bloow the mii pic on the middle of the page); though i expanded a bit upon it later, the base is there

 

[Oblivion129]

It heavily impiles that she stays in the past. Also, how else would she be able to try to save Chrom from ?

Maybe she stays in the past/present until the past/present Lucina is big enough to "Fight for her father".
By that time Chrom will be like 34 years old. At 34 he might be buffer and sluggish so he decides to wield an axe instead.

 

[08skidoosh80]

thanks! the second post of page 113 has my little resumé of what Chrom could bring to the table, you might want to read it!
Page 103 has my rather long idea about Swithcing /swords which i referred to in the post on page 113, you could read it as well (it's a little bloow the mii pic on the middle of the page); though i expanded a bit upon it later, the base is there

Wow, awesome analysis!
Having Chrom be a Robin-type character(Bringing different weapons to the fray instead of magic) would be great in my opinion. It would make Robin the defensive character, while Chrom could be the attacker.
I also like your idea of summoning different partners to attack during battle. It would be a great way to show off the pair system featured in Awakening, and would make Chrom a very unique swordsman!(Considering we don't have any summoners unless you count Rosaluma and Zelda)
Either way, those are some really good ideas that I think Sakurai could easily implement into Chrom's moveset to make him truly unique!!

 

[Robertman2]

Maybe she stays in the past/present until the past/present Lucina is big enough to "Fight for her father".
By that time Chrom will be like 34 years old. At 34 he might be buffer and sluggish so he decides to wield an axe instead.

I'm just going to go with that, but add in she's chilling with somewhere in Ylisse until attacks. Then, they leave Morgan with Chrom, and go to Smash.

Wow, awesome analysis!
Having Chrom be a Robin-type character(Bringing different weapons to the fray instead of magic) would be great in my opinion. It would make Robin the defensive character, while Chrom could be the attacker.
I also like your idea of summoning different partners to attack during battle. It would be a great way to show off the pair system featured in Awakening, and would make Chrom a very unique swordsman!(Considering we don't have any summoners unless you count Rosaluma and Zelda)
Either way, those are some really good ideas that I think Sakurai could easily implement into Chrom's moveset to make him truly unique!!

Can his Final Smash be Emmeryn?

 

[08skidoosh80]

I'm just going to go with that, but add in she's with until attacks. Then, they leave Morgan with Chrom, and go to Smash.

Can his Final Smash be Emmeryn?

 

[Robertman2]

Honestly, the only thing I don't like about Chrom is the fanboys who bash and because he's not in Smash. I like Chrom. Not as much as or , but I still like him.





And the fact he doesn't react to banging , or Morgan being his granddaughter. I wanted to see his reaction. That will always disappoint me.

 

[Skyblade12]

And the fact he doesn't react to banging , or Morgan being his granddaughter. I wanted to see his reaction. That will always disappoint me.

We have a chance at seeing that reaction in SMTXFE. It's an ATLUS game. We're going to get some detailed character interactions, and some shipping.

 

[Robertman2]

We have a chance at seeing that reaction in SMTXFE. It's an ATLUS game. We're going to get some detailed character interactions, and some shipping.

Excellent. Until then (whenever that is), I'll have to settle for fanfics. Also,

There are better places to take a nap than on the ground, you know. On top of my daughter is not one of them! -Chrom

I love x. Best ship ever.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Excellent. Until then (whenever that is), I'll have to settle for fanfics. Also,

I love x. Best ship ever.

i think that ship is only good on fanfiction. the best ship is and always will be MorganxNah

try reading "Invisible Ties". it's quite good.

 

[Deviddo]

I personally see more Chrom hate than anything, but I'm not going to sit here and act like I wasn't being a sore loser the week Lucina and Robin were revealed.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Off-topic, but I would have liked for Lucina to have been more different from Marth than she was, being different on a level par with Luigi or even Wolf.

Honestly, the only thing I don't like about Chrom is the fanboys who bash and because he's not in Smash. I like Chrom. Not as much as or , but I still like him.

This kind of "X over Y?! X is a waste of a character slot!" bashing tends to generally happen in crossovers and Smash Bros is no exception. Heck, Smash 4 alone has several examples of newcomers that had this treatment by their detractors:


And for veterans, you need only look at and especially (see here)

Had Chrom been in, I can guarantee you that there would have been people who would have complained about him getting in "over" and several other characters just like the other characters that got the same treatment.