• Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!

    You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!

In Bowser's Defense - an essay by gimpyfish

Gimpyfish62

Banned (62 points)
BRoomer
Joined
Jul 11, 2005
Messages
12,297
Location
Edmonds, Washington
This was originally posted in the 'worst character' thread... I wrote this earlier to defend bowser from those people calling him 'slow' or 'unusable' or whatever else they could think of, accusing him of being the sole 'worst character in the game'...

I find this to be insulting and disgusting to the King of Koopas. So I wrote this in his defense. Enjoy.

we are not about to be insulting bowser and calling him the worst character while I'M AROUND.
it simply WILL NOT HAPPEN.

First off let me say that bowser is NOT slow, he is laggy, there is a HUGE difference. most all of bowsers moves (that you will be using) are fast, one move in particular is lighting fast, but i'll get into the details later.

Bowser is an overwhelming powerhouse, there is no defense he cannot beat, he should be an overwhelming offensive assault, he also comes complete with combo breakers both in the air and on the ground to keep him safe. he has high priority, invincibility frames on many attacks (mostly 'shell' attacks) hes quick, albiet laggy. He also is very heavy, making him able to survive for surprising amounts of time. Lets get into the specifics shall we?

Tilts
Bowser's tilts are some of the best in the game, anyone who has faced a bowser has a fear of the knuckle. but its not just that tilt thats good, sure the ftilt is one of hte best edgeguarding tools there is, but the utilt is known to get 70% OVER THE TOP kills. it stops nearly any kind of attack from above. Dtilt can nail sweetspotters and has huge range, not to mention huge damage and knockback. Bowser's tilts also come out fast, his utilt comes out as fast as his jab, which is just as fast as everyone elses jab. his ftilt is surprising because of its overwhelming range power and speed, a wavelanded ftilt has ludicrous range and is very hard to fight against. dtilt is a great edgeguarding tactic, hitting sweetspotters even. though it is a strange move to land perhaps. but thats easily overcome. bowsers tilts = fast and dangerous, much as he himself is.

good tilts -ftilt, utilt, dtilt
bad tilts- N/A

Arials
bowser's bread and butter, as everyone knows, is his fair. HUGE range, HUGE knockback, great damage, VERY fast, low lag. (yes i said low) some people may suggest that you can simply shieldgrab any attempt at a fair bowser does. This is simply untrue, if spaced correctly (most) chars cannot reach far enough with their grab fast enough to get a hold of him. bowser's fair is great in that its basically doing a VERY fast SMASH ATTACK in the air. Bowser can do two FULL JUMPS off the stage, fair somebody, and still return. no character can survive that even with proper DI at such a distance where it would require two full jumps. I have ONLY discussed the fair so far. Bowser's bair is even more deadly than the fair because of its semi-spiking properties. again, it has HUGE range. while not fast compared to his fair, it is still plenty quick. some people complain about the lag, an l cancelled bair doesn't have very much lag, perhaps compared to a few moves it could be called 'laggy' but other characters deal with this kind of lag all the time and they get off fine, as does bowser. after an arial i fyou think your in danger you have VERY VERY fast options as well. Bowsers nair is faster than his fair, hits all around him, has great knockback, can be used against spotdodgers because it lasts so long, and has very little lag. a useful 'get off me' move in the air, as well as a nice tech chasing tactic. do not underestimate this move. bowsers uair, windUP lag is existant, though its still easy enough to aim. play any good bowser, you WILL get hit with this move, and you most likely WILL die from it. VERY powerful, it can also hit you while your standing on the ground if you sh it strait at them. the dair, unfortunately does not have the same kind of properties or uses of his other arials. It does about 30% damage, youd think that would be pretty useful, and with its little bit of breathing room konckback at the end you m ight think it would make a decent setup... DECENT perhaps, but why not get them off the edge then edgeguard them?

Good arials- fair, nair, bair, uair
bad arials- dair

Smashes
bowser's smash attacks are something he is famous for. they represent what most people think of bowser, VERY strong, but quite 'slow'. to be honest, the speed of said smash attacks shouldn't be an issue, as you will simply NOT be throwing these moves about randomly waiting to be punished for them. You're fsmash will be primarily used as an edgeguard, and can be used for tech chasing. his dsmash is great for techchasing, spot dodgers, and edgeguarding, his usmash will decimate an arial assualt by our prioritizing it. all of said smashes have invincibilty frames, ridiculous priority, ludicrous damage and knockback. fsmash is a disjointed hitbox with great range as well as potential 'dodging' properties as he rears back before he does the move. the dsmash has incredible priority, will 'suck you in' so that all of the hits connect, and will throw you hard and far. the usmash's priority simply cannot be beatten from above. it will not be hit through if timed right by ANY arial. link's dair = NO PROBLEM for a bowser thats expecting it.

Special Moves
bowser's special moves are also very useful moves, his firebreath (though most only think of it as an edgeguarding tactic) can be used to stop those irritating spotdodgers, can deal great damage and is a nice setup for a ftilt to the face, NOT TO MENTION the flame canceling, available in only the first versions of the game. Flame canceling gives boozer ZERO start up time on his firebreath, making for a very surprising attack! the klaw is one of hte most useful moves in the game PERIOD. NO other character has the ability to grab an opponent from teh air. say goodbye to shieldgrabbers, this move will completely own them. you can chain the fthrow out of a klaw on ff'ers (VERY flashy move to say the least ;) ) and if they di to far, you can simply fair them, a great setup indeed. also, bowser's klaw bthrow has AMAZING knockback, it will kill early. also, every bite out of the klaw does a significant amount of damage. The bowser bomb. strong. VERRRRRRRYYYY laggy. useful to get on the edge and perhaps for turnip recoveries (thanks cape ;) ) but thats about it. but an edge cancelled bomb is useful because you have all that damage and ZERO lag. very useful indeed, but its really nothting to be all that proud of. the other move i'll get to later ;)

Good specials- klaw, flame
bad special - bomb

Grabs
no bowser would be complete without a nice fine set of grabs and throws. his throws do great damage, add in your little headbutts and they will be hurting. bowser's dthrow is his most useful throw by a fair amount. the dthrow sets up for a fair on those who may be 'floatier' than others, and for the normal/heavyweight chars, it opens him up for tech chasing, they tech away, you grab again, they tech towards, you get a free smash attack. bowsers grab range (on his DG of course) is VRY VERY high, though the lag is quite high, you shouldn't be randomly throwing grabs out just as smash attacks, you should grab when you know you will land them. bowser's f and b throw are useful to get the opponent off the edge and open up the opponent to some nice edgeguarding. the uthrow can be CHAINED on the fast fallers, a VERY useful advantage indeed.

good throws - fthrow, bthrow, uthrow, dthrow
bad throws - N/A

Edgeguards
bowser's edgegame pwns. period. ftilt, dtilt, fsmash, dsmash, fair, bair, uair (if they are high of course) flame breath, <100% edge attack setup... he is pretty much built to edgeguard. example. your bowser, your fighting a falco, you get an fthrow off the edge to him at 30%. he is dead. (against a good bowser of coruse) NO exceptions PERIOD. the same is true for a LOT of characters. all of his edgeguards have AMAZING knockback and will kill if landed, and its not hard to land. bowser doesn't have to just sit on the edge and guard either, as i said earlier, he can do TWO FULL JUMPS out and nail the enemy with an arial, and still make it back to the edge. smash attacks that far off the edge kill, and you might as well call his arials very fast smash attacks. his tilts are unreal and amazing (obviosuly) his <100% off the edge attack is one of hte best setups for an fsmash i've ever seen. if they try to sweetspot, they die, if they go over, they get hit by your <100% attack , then you nail them, and they die.

Defense Destroyers
one of the best things about bowser is that he can stop ANY defense. against spotdodgers you can non ff a nair on them, or you can use flame breath to make htem regret spotdodging, limiting their defensive options. against a shieldgrabber you can simply drop a klaw on them, or nair and land behind them, tehn you can ftilt or do whatever you want. the klaw will make them SERIOUSLY regret shield grabbing when you land it. again, limiting their defensive options. if they chose to have an offensive barrage as their defense, you can outrange or out prioritize almost ANY other chars offensive arials.

The Fortress
did it occur to anyone that i wrote that whole thing up there without even typing the word 'fortress'? bowser's up b is THE BEST up b in the game, as well as the 2nd best move in the game. it is the 2nd fastest move in the game next to a shine at only 4 frames. it has HUGE damage (30% in the air), gets low % kills, breaks combos, is highly mobile, has an INITIAL RANGE that is larger than the hitbox for link's upb IIRC. it also has invincibliity frames and high priority. htis move will 'ting' with a lot of other moves, and at 4 frames, you can get off anotehr one faster than they can get their move off again. this move, simply put, is amazing. nobody can deny shieldfortressing has got to be one of the best tactics there is. Now if we include the edge cancelled fortressing it gets EVEN BETTER. When you think of all of the positives of the fortress then add the words ZERO LAG to the end of it, its a whole new level of awesome. you can edge cancel a fortress on any stage, great for comboing, escape, edgehogs you name it, it does it pretty much. once you've edge canceled your open to do any number of things, ledgehopped arials, klaw, firebreath, you can do your <100% ledge attack to give yourself some space... its just unreal.


NOW, dont get my wrong, i'm not saying bowser is amazing. hes big, hes heavy. one of the most easily combo'd characters in the game (thank GOD he has moves that break combos) bowser is FAR better than most people think, as he IS a slow character at an average level. Once you play a fast bowser you will understand how he is greater than most people htink, he is also countered by many high tiers or at a disadvantage at least (though he does VERY well vs fox's as he has a move to compete with his shine) Bowser is also (fairly) easy to edgeguard once you know how to do it. So I’m not saying he should be top tier, or upper tier, or high tier, or anything like that. I like him being low, makes you feel better when you win doesn’t it? ;)

Anyways... thats my 'bowser is not 't3h suck' essay. IMO mewtwo is the worst in the game, he has all of bowser's drawbacks, but is light, so he dies at low % unlike bowser. Pichu is better than mewtwo because he at least has speed.(I would write another big thing on that but… well I care more about Bowser than ‘why mewtwo is worse than pichu’ lol

Thanks for reading... if you read all of that of course ;)

Bowser FTW.

Edit: added a SMALL sentance about flame cancel ;)


BOOZER = TOP TIER!
 

MagnuM

Smash Ace
Joined
Aug 4, 2003
Messages
728
Location
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Very good Bowser essay here Gimpyfish! You practically just wrote an entire FAQ for the character there! You seemed to cover everything, I can't seem to find anything you may have missed. This deserves to be pinned for sure! Koopa pride!
 

ledjin

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Oct 13, 2005
Messages
176
Location
Ðimmsdale
Kewl!

well, this essay was really descriptive. Maybe I'll even try Bowser out... who knows, finals won't let me play until next week :(

Great faq man! keep writing/editing/PLAYING!!! :p lol


greets
 

Arash

Smash Lord
Joined
Aug 25, 2003
Messages
1,401
Location
Irvine, CA
how else could i get 13th last year and 9th this year at MLG LA singles tournament?

bowser pwns, plain and simple
 

the Marronator

Smash Ace
Joined
Sep 21, 2005
Messages
541
Location
Boulder, CO
Finally, someone who doesn't say "Bowser sucks!" Very good defense for bowser, he might not be the best, but he is still much better than alot of people say. I think you showed that gimpy in the combo vid you made for bowser (nice job on that too, it was really good!)
 

CAOTIC

Woxy
BRoomer
Joined
Oct 29, 2004
Messages
11,506
Location
Sydney
Hmmmmz, lol Gimpy, you know it's my aim to irritate you, sooo....

**** ** ****

hahaha. jk, it's good stuff, seriously mate. This is coming from me, who rarely compliments at all, lolz. It entertained me for a good few minutes - enjoyable read :p
 

Mic_128

Wake up...
Administrator
BRoomer
Joined
Jun 19, 2002
Messages
46,176
Location
Steam
Cao, there aren't any 2 letter words that are censored ;)

Nice job.

*STICKY GET!*
 

Phazon Elite

Smash Rookie
Joined
Nov 29, 2005
Messages
13
Location
Salem, OR
Gimpyfish62 said:
the klaw is one of hte most useful moves in the game PERIOD. NO other character has the ability to grab an opponent from teh air.
Actually, C.Falcon and Ganondorf have mid-air grab moves. Aside from that minor error, excellent article.
 

Gimpyfish62

Banned (62 points)
BRoomer
Joined
Jul 11, 2005
Messages
12,297
Location
Edmonds, Washington
those aren't near as useful to say the least...

with the klaw you can grab em, nail em at farther range with a poweful move, get some damaging bites in, bthrow to kill or fthrow for a setup...

with those up b's you get... throw. falcon's isn't gonna do much but irritate, ganon's could be sorta dangerous i suppose, meh, my bad.
 

TheRedMarth

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Dec 3, 2004
Messages
163
Excellent essay Gimpy! A thesis to be sure. ^^

...and thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing out nair versatility. I always feel it's a bit underplayed. I'm not delusional, I know on the "Bowser's Awesome Moves" list it's 3rd-4th, but it's a favorite of mine.

Oh, and I recently went to a tournament with quite high-level play (As high level as you see on expert video's, I mean, **** Darkrain was there) and noticed a lil' additional use for F-Smash.

When being closely persued in the air or when landing as a running oppent is approaching you, often a landing-wavedash backward, with a C-sticked F-Smash will land suprisingly often. The wavedash backwards buys you a few nano-seconds of startup animation. (It's an old trick my Marth used for sweet-spotting the F-Smash)

It's certainly not a spammable move, but then what Bowser move is (Outside of "perhaps" the fortress).

Rock on, dude-with-a-perculiar-moniker!
 

Arash

Smash Lord
Joined
Aug 25, 2003
Messages
1,401
Location
Irvine, CA
if you want to get technical, kirby and yoshi both have air grabs with their B moves, but they're nowhere near as useful as the klaw
 

Gimpyfish62

Banned (62 points)
BRoomer
Joined
Jul 11, 2005
Messages
12,297
Location
Edmonds, Washington
those aren't grabs, as you cant throw after them, or hit them while your holding them.

kirby's little spit thing COULD count i guess... lol
 

Kevvviiinnn

Smash Lord
Joined
Jul 3, 2005
Messages
1,202
Location
Sherwood, Oregon
Well Gimpy, just because it's a grab it doesn't mean you HAVE to throw, does it? A grab is a grab, a throw is a successful grab into a throw.
 

SmashX

Smash Rookie
Joined
Nov 10, 2005
Messages
17
Location
CamAR (USA)
Bowser Glitch

Hey I'm new to This Smash Site and from Arkansas, I always thought bowser was a good charater, but there is something that you did not add to your Thread, which might not work in all cases, but there is a Bowser glitch (you may have knew about) that when use his flame breath, that if you press B just before you hit the ground, the fire will come out instantly with no inhale-lag, but to tell you the truth the only works on my smash brothers disk, and not by brothers... I think if might be certain ones. but just want to let you know if that helps you any. oh yeah... BOWSER RULES!!!
 

Xx swift xX

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Oct 5, 2005
Messages
164
Location
Las Vegas, NV
That's some crazy inspirational sh** right there, man.

I mean, before, I was totally a bowser hater, but now you're making me think he's as good as Sheik. ;)

*gets beaten by friend's marth*

Oh well........ :(

But seriously, after reading your essay, I've realized that he really is better than most people think.

He won't replace my main (samus), but I might play him a little more often. :)
 

$sD

Smash Ace
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
665
Location
NC
good stuff man

that pointed out most of bowsers good points

but i wanna know if his WD has any purpose?
 

JesusFreak

Smash Hero
Joined
Oct 25, 2003
Messages
5,076
Location
The A-TX
Meh, I use Kirby's B move about as much as I use Bowser's Klaw. I think they're both pretty useful, but definitely much moreso than any other grab w/e in air. I only use Ganon's out of shield sometimes, and never use falcon's. Oh, and DK's up b = Bowser's imo. I abuse both. :) This post was truly great gimpy. I applaud you. :bigthumbu

and Bowser's WD is not useless... I don't think any chars' wavedashes are useless, but if I had to pick one I'd say Zelda's is the worst. Sure, Bowser's isn't great, but it's not totally useless.
 

Gimpyfish62

Banned (62 points)
BRoomer
Joined
Jul 11, 2005
Messages
12,297
Location
Edmonds, Washington
Bowsers wavedash isn't useless.. it goes pretty far, its useful in a waveland, wavelanded ftilts are great, i wavedash backwords quie a bit, normally not forwards... its normally better to just sh or run for bowser... LOL i sometimes actually foxtrot with him for spacing! ;)

lol, DK's upb = bowsers... lol wtf how can you possibly think that? they are SORTA similar... but nothing of hte same calibur of moves... bowsers is 4 frames, thats all i need to know to know its better, not to mention its more mobile, its got invinciblity frames, larger initial hitbox, more damage, more knockback higher priority (i'm FAIRLY certain about that but not possitive) and its just generaly a GAME MAKER!

and the reason that kirby's b isnt as good is because its SOOO SLOWWW to come out AND its got a lot of lag behind it too! bowsers has lag behind it of course, but its pretty fast if you land it.

anyways... glad you guys like htis ^_^

i'm super tired today.. merry christmas everyone!
 

$sD

Smash Ace
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
665
Location
NC
i do fox trout with bowser cause it is faster than his dash
 

Gimpyfish62

Banned (62 points)
BRoomer
Joined
Jul 11, 2005
Messages
12,297
Location
Edmonds, Washington
it is DEFINITELY not faster than his dash, its horrible... funny looking though LOL!

i only use it as you would use a wavedash if i'm goin forward (well almost haha)

the only wavedash i do where i'll be wanting to do an attack is normally a wavelanded tilt, not wavedash tilt, so i wouldnt' be wavedashing forward to an attack anyways, so a little dash forward works just fine for spacing haha, not that bowser needs a lot of spacing, hes quite large with huge hitboxes...

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
 

ledjin

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Oct 13, 2005
Messages
176
Location
Ðimmsdale
wut? mmm Gimpy, IIRC u said "you should never use WD with Bowser" or something like that, cuz it´s so bad and you can do better things for spacing. Maybe u changed ur mind, I wouldn´t know cuz I dont use Bowser, but when I do, it feels useless, but that´s just me lol :)

anyways, I didnt know about the flame cancelling, gotta try it hehe sounds cool, and a question... how does it look when you fox trot with Bowser? cuz when I read about the fox trot, I tried it, I did it, and then I use it veeeery few times, it´s not so useful for me, but then again, it´s just me xD.
 

T-skjorte Ninja

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Jan 2, 2006
Messages
303
Location
Right behind you.
NNID
TNinja0
3DS FC
4871-3998-6368
i train alot with bowser, and start to be really good with him. he sure is laggy, but really powerful. my point has always ben this: find a character whos hard to use, those are always the best to use. i found bowser. i'm the only one who have control over bowser here where i live. bowser is good, but sometimes slow. i think hes the slowest character, or is was ganondorf...
 

mood4food77

Smash Hero
Joined
Oct 6, 2005
Messages
5,964
very good guide

the best match i have with my freind (whose a peach user) is when im bowser and he's peach, i usually win but the fotress gets owned by peaches rotating foot swing (smash down), i don't know why, i htought it had more priority

also, how can i use bowser to effectively fight a marth and a falco (i think those are his 2 worst matchups, shield cancelled up b's work really great on sheik and fox) oh and also falcon and ganon, what can he do to fight well against those characters
 

Gimpyfish62

Banned (62 points)
BRoomer
Joined
Jul 11, 2005
Messages
12,297
Location
Edmonds, Washington
i'd rather skip the funny business and get strait to the ftilt! LOL well it wasn't ever meant to be a guide... want me to kinda morph this into a guide? lol I can make a guide if you guys want me too...
 

mood4food77

Smash Hero
Joined
Oct 6, 2005
Messages
5,964
definitely, you really helped my bowser, waveland ftilts are the shiznit, i did it against my friend and he was like WTF did you just wavedash with bowser, haha, and include other things that are useful like fotress circle (i don't know if it's the real name but sorta like jigg's WoP except on ground using whirling fotress, great for racking up damage and not taking hits, sadly doesn't work too well on jiggs and kirby) up b, into them, hit them, retreat, repeat

what are his spikes and how many different directions can his koopa klaw throw
 

HDL

I like pork chops.
BRoomer
Joined
May 25, 2004
Messages
1,799
Location
Amongst haters
Good stuff Gimpy. This is an enlightening post that has a lot of info Bowser bashers didn’t know (you can be sure that is someone is bashing Bowser they don’t know much about him). And he is more competent in high leveled play than people realize. Just take Arash for example. 9th at MLG with Bowser is proof of his capability. The only reason you don’t see many Bowser players placing that high is because Bowser himself is just not a widely used character by advanced players. If there were more experienced elite Bowser players I’d bet anything you’d see them placing in top 10.
 

HDL

I like pork chops.
BRoomer
Joined
May 25, 2004
Messages
1,799
Location
Amongst haters
HoChiMinhTrail said:
i doubt it HDL, but its nice to dream :) bowser is still too cute tho.
That’s what they said about Sean, Q, and Twelve in 3rd Strike. Until they were more widely played and people got more experience with them. And 3rd Strike’s characters and game engine are not any more balanced than smash’s is.
 

HoChiMinhTrail

Smash Master
Joined
Aug 1, 2004
Messages
4,731
Location
Michigan State/Chicago, Il
but the game is already quite old.... and we know bowser's limitations, u counter fight him.... hes gonne have a hard time, esp if u one of the top tiers. :( simple as that. nice to hope, but that is just fantasy :p
 
Top Bottom