Chaingrab & Laser-lock lists

Blad01 · Mar 22, 2008

Hey all !

As Falco mainer, I looked for the characters on whom its "Chaingrab" and its "Laser-lock" worked. Here is what I found.

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>> Down-Throw Chaingrab List

Character - Percents

Works perfectly on said:
Bowser: 0-50
DK : 0-50
Diddy Kong: 0-40
Link : 0-70
Ganondorf : 0-60
Sheik : 0-50
T.link: 0-40 [To be determined more]
Metaknight: 0-40
King Dedede : 0-60
Capt. Falcon : 0-45 [And 45-80 to be determined, but seems possible]
Fox : 0-50
Falco : 0-40
Wolf : 0-45
Pikachu : 0-60
PT, Charizard : 0-45
PT, Squirtle : 0-45
PT, Ivysaur : 0-70
Marth : 0-36
Ike: 0-45
Mr. G&W : 0-40
Snake : 0-50
Sonic : 0-45

Works hardly on said:
Mario : 0-40
Luigi : 0-40
Zelda : 0-40
Wario : 0-20
Yoshi : 0-40 (To be determined better)
Pit : 0-40
ROB : 0-50 (Many counters)
Olimar: 0-36
Ness: 0-45
Lucas: 0-55

/!\ Every character in this category is able to counter the chaingrab ! So if your opponent is experimented enough, the chaingrab won't work... Or just a little.

Impossible on said:
Peach
Samus
Kirby
Lucario
Jigglypuff

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>> Laser - lock

Impossible on" said:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Pikachu

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Ok. There could be somme littles errors (I do it mostly vs CPU), but it's about that.

I hope this can help you ! For the character impossible to be "chaingrabed", you can do other stuff : Dash A, SHADA, SHDL...

[PS : If you use these lists, please at least quote my name ]

[EDIT :

The Chaingrab list is done with lvl9 CPU. They don't use DI properly. But they use Counters (Air attacks), Air Dodge, and Hop

I also have to test DDD's Super Armor]

Linjishu · Mar 22, 2008

You're missing some characters, and names such as "Herbizarre" need to be translated into English.

But very informative post.

Hawks go Caw · Mar 22, 2008

Roi Dadidu = King DeDeDe?

Blad01 · Mar 22, 2008

Yes, I had forgotten that ^^" I translated ^^

I also added some news characters, I will finish the list tomorrow

Lavos · Mar 22, 2008

You can't chaingrab Marth with Falco.

Blad01 · Mar 22, 2008

Double Post :/

Blad01 · Mar 22, 2008

Lavos said:
You can't chaingrab Marth with Falco.

Yes you can, but just before 36%... So that's not very useful :/

The list is complete. I just have to determininate more IC (very hard), and ZSS.

redgreenblue · Mar 22, 2008

Ah, thank you so much for making this!

Codi · Mar 23, 2008

good this helped me out today

Blad01 · Mar 23, 2008

I'm glad my lists are helpful ^^

KonradGabreil · Mar 23, 2008

Is DI taken into consideration when you made this list?

orochimaru2072 · Mar 23, 2008

thanks. you helped me out with falco

Icantlos · Mar 27, 2008

Just because it would be good to know, how do the people in the "works hardly on" list counter it?

Blad01 · Mar 28, 2008

Icantlos said:
Just because it would be good to know, how do the people in the "works hardly on" list counter it?

Every character in this category has an quick air attack to counter the chaingraber just before the ground.

Ulevo · Mar 29, 2008

From what it appears, this list does not use proper DI. I know for a fact that Marth cannot be Chain Throwed if the person DI's properly. The AI is not a very accurate base to test on, since they will not DI out of grabs, although it is still informative since it lets you know who can be Chain Throwed if the opponent DIs improperly. Also, King Dedede most likely cannot be Chain Throwed at all provided that he uses his Up B, due to his Super Armor. I'm not sure how credible that is against Falco, but it works on Donkey Kongs Down Throw.

Blad01 · Mar 29, 2008

Ulevo said:
From what it appears, this list does not use proper DI. I know for a fact that Marth cannot be Chain Throwed if the person DI's properly. The AI is not a very accurate base to test on, since they will not DI out of grabs, although it is still informative since it lets you know who can be Chain Throwed if the opponent DIs improperly. Also, King Dedede most likely cannot be Chain Throwed at all provided that he uses his Up B, due to his Super Armor. I'm not sure how credible that is against Falco, but it works on Donkey Kongs Down Throw.

Yes unfortunately you're right, this list doesn't use DI. But it uses Air Dodge, Counters (Just have to test DDD' SuperArmor), and Hop normaly.

Adi · Mar 29, 2008

Someone should test it with AR and use frame by frame analysis how long a character can be truly chain grabbed.

A D P · Mar 29, 2008

Guys look at my sig....

Apples · Mar 30, 2008

Most all the characters listed here can break out of the chaingrab earlier than this list says. The chain throw is really weird, but it seems that some characters can DI away from Falco and avoid the next grab, while others must DI up to avoid it. It barely makes any sense at all... but weight may affect which direction you'd have to DI the throw to escape. I haven't been able to chain throw any of the Pokemon Trainer's characters from even 0% yet. Not even Charizard. =[

Also, today I just laser locked a Pikachu in tournament on the Halberd, so it is possible to laser lock him.

dontmess2 · Apr 1, 2008

What Are Allt Hese Nicknames For Sean Puffy Comb Etc Etc Etc

ellelaby · Apr 6, 2008

How do you perform a chain grab and laser lock?

k4polo · Apr 6, 2008

Great list but you are missing one person which is the person to your left.

nAkEd_SnAkE · Apr 14, 2008

yea you can i did it before

Doodx · Apr 14, 2008

laser locks awesome but i only did it once by luck is there an easy way to do it? or is it wen they on the floor and u must do it at right moment?

Luigi_Legend · Apr 15, 2008

Can you combo from the chain throws?

MyRevenge. · Apr 15, 2008

Hm.. not sure why I didn't see this before...
This is a useful thread... thanks :D

Arkengate · Apr 15, 2008

uhhh... Pikachu can do D-air and break outta chaingrab at about 30%... Test it.

Vexen · Apr 17, 2008

Thanks much for this list. I'm sure it will come in handy

Jing) · Apr 17, 2008

So the "Works perfectly on" before peak % listed there should be NO way to fail unless you time it wrong? I tried doing it on a lv9 DK and only did it like 4 times my best try from 0 %.

Blad01 · Apr 24, 2008

To a more in-depth analysis, please contribute to the "Chaingrab Project" : http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=164990

otg · Apr 25, 2008

Luigi_Legend said:
Can you combo from the chain throws?

A lot of the time I'm able to follow up with a dash cancelled Usmash which is very nice. By the edge you can try, Fthrow -> Dair or something along those lines. You can't go wrong with a Shff Nair -> Jab combos etc.

And sometimes it might be in your best interest to just laser them to reset and punish their mistakes.

Falco is too good.

Zero-sr388 · Apr 25, 2008

How exactly do you set up the laser lock???

I've seen it done on youtube, but the way they do it (usmash, ushmash, ushmash, laser lock)
Can be DI'd out of incredibly easily...

Skazryk · Apr 25, 2008

I love and hate falco's cg in this. but i can get out of it at 26% with metanight, if you time it right

itsthebigfoot · Apr 28, 2008

the chain grab does not work on dk, you can jump out of it, it may work once at 0% but after that it wont work unless he tries to shield

itdoor · Apr 28, 2008

that is just not true.

the CG works on DK to about 36% sometimes to 42%. this has to do only with the falco player and the speed with which he gets his grabs out.

CBK thought he could U-B out of it. he did at first then i sped it up and got the usual 42% spike kills i am used to on heavy characters.

the only accurate thing about the original list is the characters that can escape the CG and even most of them can be grabbed a second time.

after the second CG on the floaties just Usmash or DXUsmash.

the early jump out footstool thing is really only a failure on the part o the falco player to do it quickly enough.

in other words stop sucking!!!

itsthebigfoot · Apr 28, 2008

I have yet to play a falco player that can grab me before i jump out of it, until then it is true in my book

Blad01 · Apr 29, 2008

You want a definitly answer ?

Blad01 said:
To a more in-depth analysis, please contribute to the "Chaingrab Project" : http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=164990

Thanks

IDK · Jun 10, 2008

falco and lucas get out of the laser lock.

iDizZzY · Jun 11, 2008

i was hoping someone would make a list like this
im to lazy to do it lool ty

IDK · Jun 17, 2008

also zelda can get out of the CG.

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