MindGames With Roy

[david_jiang13]

Ok i think that i finally have wavedash almost perfectly. now i need to know a few easy and effective mindgames i can incorporate into my playing style. i know wave dancing is a good midgame and also dashing forward and wding back. what other tactics r there. it would help if there were mindgames with Roy's DED becuz i play with it a lot

[WaterTails]

...wish i knew. good luck finding

[theTofuG0d]

hmm, u could try fusing the 2. wd left, wd right, wd right, dash forward, wd right, etc....(make it better and do in a random order so its not predictable) its quite fun.

[Nihonjin]

It seems I can simply copy my post from the sheik forums for this one -_-'


*sigh*

Mind games is not something you can ask people about...its not like you can just walk up to captain jack and say "Hey, can I borrow your mind game :D".

Playing smash is like hitting on a girl, its the same game, but its never played the same way (so basic "pick-up lines" don't work with every girl same as basic mind games don't work with every player).
Its about improvisation....

Asking about mind games will most likely mess up your game even more because your opponent will most likely react differently to "the mind game".
Just play and try to create your own style and develop your own mind games instead of asking other people for theirs.
If they asnwer you, they most likely have no idea what they're talking about.

[Broken Fox]

From what I understand, he is asking about mindgames because he might not have had enough experience to develop any on his own, or his available competition stagnates his growth.

Anywayz, if you really want to learn good mindgames, you first have to get good at predicting your opponents actions. Unfortunatly, this normally comes with playing against skilled players or getting familiar with their style. For example, if you play against a good fox and he hits you off the stage, as he sees you trying to recover, one of the first things that will enter his mind is, "I'ma shine this sucker". Of course if he is experienced, he will know that it is very difficult to shine Roy's recovery, so he might try to pull it off while you are dropping to sweet spot zone. If you managed to read all of his intentions, then you can catch him off guard by doing your recovery early, intercepting him in midflight while sacrificing the ledge sweet spot for a laggy stage landing.

That is just one of the few improvised mindgames I have developed during competitive play that has proven effective.

Of course, mindgames like the b-wavedash to fsmash, wiffed Shfflc nair to f-wavegrab, or even an unexpected counter have been established as effective mindgames, but the best way to find them out is to play lots of people.

[david_jiang13]

ok guys thanks for the help. so the main thing is just to play a lot and develop my own mind games and read my opponents?

[Nihonjin]

Yup, thats how it works.
We can't really tell you what to do because your opponent might react totally different and you'll end up improvising anyway.
Just play and try new and different things, also pay attention to what your opponent is doing, find his patterns and try to exploit it, how? thats up to you to figure out on your own.

[david_jiang13]

any ideas how to practice on cpus? becuz i dont got any1 near me that r very into ssbm

[Broken Fox]

any ideas how to practice on cpus? becuz i dont got any1 near me that r very into ssbm

That my friend is practically impossible.
CPUs seem to have super-human reflexes that can see through mindgames.
Only the second jump fakeout seems to work. And that is a very WEAK mindgame in competitive play.

My suggestion is just to spark interest of the game back into those around you.
Which is something I am currently doing :chuckle:
Just show them up with superior skill and admit that you are nowhere near the best. Next show them videos of good players.
Videos that seem to spark interest into people the best for me are:
Shined Blind
Soldier of Fortune
Wound of the Wind fv
KillaOR's premire on MTV
+ matches between the top players

Good Luck! ;)

[Chaotix_0]

A mind is like a butthole, everybody has one, but they don't all smell good. Abusing someone's thought patterns is key to a mind game. I have a friend who really doesn't mind losing, so its hard to make him screw up with an intimidation mind game. However he always runs, and I always relentlessly chase. If I don't chase him, he just waits. Wavedashing allows me to rush him then WD back and totally fake him out, then I'll usually just WD forward and short hop into whatever arial I feel like, although many times I'm samus and I just missile him out of his lag. As Roy, you don't have any projectiles, so you must use your sword as the avatar of your mind games. Try doing the DED the same exact way 4 or 5 times in a row, then starting a DED but stopping and hitting him with a different attack, then doing another full DED will an all new mix of attacks. Condition them to certain attack series, and then break their spirit by suprising them, make it seem as if you knew what they were going to do, before they did. Its hard to explain how I would do it as Roy, b/c heres what I really would do. Id switch to the Ice Climbers, and chainthrow the hell out of my opponent, doing different, consecutively more damaging, combos during the grab. The Ice Climbers will get on anyone's nerves almost as fast as a jigglypuff.

[Ulti]

any ideas how to practice on cpus? becuz i dont got any1 near me that r very into ssbm

Practicing mindgames against cpus usually doesn't work out well. The only advice I can give is to make sure your matches against cpus don't become rote actions. For example, let's say that while practicing you notice that you always do the DED when the cpu is "waking up." Rather than do the DED as usual, dashdance and wait for the cpu to approach.

Basically, don't condition yourself.

[RosterImposter]

^^^
I cant tell if your joking or if thats a serious question, there is no such thing as sarcasm on the internet.

[Locke)]

I think by asking what mindgames to use he means strategies to move around the level to intimidate his opponent by being unpredictable, not the actual abusing the opponent's game. One thing you can add to your arsenal of movements would be landing dashes, try them because you can quickly landing dash a forward smash with roy and catch them off guard.

[noob-lube69]

From what I understand, he is asking about mindgames because he might not have had enough experience to develop any on his own, or his available competition stagnates his growth.

Anywayz, if you really want to learn good mindgames, you first have to get good at predicting your opponents actions. Unfortunatly, this normally comes with playing against skilled players or getting familiar with their style. For example, if you play against a good fox and he hits you off the stage, as he sees you trying to recover, one of the first things that will enter his mind is, "I'ma shine this sucker". Of course if he is experienced, he will know that it is very difficult to shine Roy's recovery, so he might try to pull it off while you are dropping to sweet spot zone. If you managed to read all of his intentions, then you can catch him off guard by doing your recovery early, intercepting him in midflight while sacrificing the ledge sweet spot for a laggy stage landing.

That is just one of the few improvised mindgames I have developed during competitive play that has proven effective.

Of course, mindgames like the b-wavedash to fsmash, wiffed Shfflc nair to f-wavegrab, or even an unexpected counter have been established as effective mindgames, but the best way to find them out is to play lots of people.

A good fox player can develop a mind game to counter your early up b and then punish you for doing it. If they fake like they are going for a shine spike and double jump over your up b, then you are most likely screwed. This is just a random example of how mindgames can become very complex; but the principle behind learning mindgames is basically what you stated in your post; you first have to be good @ reading your opponent, then you can develop ways to take advantage of their habits and playing patterns.

[Broken Fox]

A good fox player can develop a mind game to counter your early up b and then punish you for doing it. If they fake like they are going for a shine spike and double jump over your up b, then you are most likely screwed. This is just a random example of how mindgames can become very complex; but the principle behind learning mindgames is basically what you stated in your post; you first have to be good @ reading your opponent, then you can develop ways to take advantage of their habits and playing patterns.

Knowing your opponent's character is another integral part of how you use your mindgames. In my case, Fox used to be my main, so I have a good idea at when a good Fox would decide to go shine me, hence the reason I'm able to catch many Fox players off guard with that simple mindgame. But as you said, mindgames can get extreamly complex.

EX: If I made the decision to up-b early to catch Fox mid-shine, but he decides to stay on stage because he predicted it, then I'm either going to eat an up-smash or some other painful experience. But what I'ma say is possibly the most complex net of mindgames I have used in a match. During the above scenario, the Fox waited for my up-b, but instead of intersepting him, I decided to undershoot him by increasing horizontal distance on the up-b. As a result, I got shined into the stage, wallteched, got back on stage, and finished off the recovering Fox.

^Not a suggested tactic, but was fun to mention.

[Volasko]

any ideas how to practice on cpus? becuz i dont got any1 near me that r very into ssbm

It says your from Toronto? Dude there are tons of people in that area that are into smash, hell we are even having a big tournament this saturday Feb 18th from 1-9 in TO. You should come to it and meet the TO smash community, youll find that its a lot bigger than you expected.
Here is the link to the Tournament Thread:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=63095