Any spikes or meteor smashes for Roy?

[david_jiang13]

ive been playing and reading about how Marth is better than Roy. one of the most mentioned point is that Marth has a spike with his dair. but lately ive been using roy's up smash and it sometimes either meteors or spikes when i hit a certain part. if anyone knows more about where ithe sword needs to hit for it to get this effect plz tell me.

[Rip]

I think that roy's got a meteor with is Dair, but you've got to hit at the right stop.

[david_jiang13]

ive tried that many times becuz that is marth's but it hasnt worked it the only 1 ive gotten was the up smash and i cant get that consistently becuz i dunno where i have to hit to get the meteor

[uremog]

he has meteors in his DED 3rd hit and sweetspotted dair (quite hard to do regularly). the spot is near his feet

his upsmash basically alternates between hitting the enemy up and down, so it comes from you not getting all the hits in. i think. i'm not a roy player though.

[david_jiang13]

ya i wanna learn to master his meteor smashes. then when the argument between whos better marth or roy? i have that to support roy and have a new and useful skill in my aresenal.

[uremog]

i don't mean to turn this thread into a marth vs roy, but it really doesn't support roy. marth's dair spike is easier to do, more reliable and overall more useful than both of roy's meteors and that's pretty much the end of it.

and imo, mastering his meteors is less important than his shffl'd uairs and other on-stage assaults. they're, more much more reliable than his meteors.

my advice'd be to just not think much about the whole marth vs roy thing and focus more on being a better player by knowing the matchup, not who's better. it's a waste of time, imo (heck i already know i've wasted too much time thinking about it).

[david_jiang13]

no its ok i know marths is easier but being able to use the meteors in different situations can help. i belive that marth may be better than roy. however both can be capable of being great characters. the reason i chose roy is becuz i believe that marth is overused and wanted to be different.

[uremog]

i like that answer. that's good to hear, just play who you want to play.
i don't like the stigma around the top characters though. it's not like i play marth because he's good. i played him before i started reading at smashboards. sure it kind of encourages people to play more characters. maybe. but i don't like seeing, say, shiek go underused just because he's top.

in any case, if you're a good smash player, you can punish sloppy players even on bad matchups purely by virtue of your knowledge and technique. that's one of the great things about this game. wait... most games can do that... oh well.

[Alex13]

My opinion is to plain switch to Marth, man.

[HunKaiYo]

lol @ alex...

Everytime I use Diar with Roy...it sends the opponent upwards.

grr.

Where is the magic point of contact?

[Blueshadow]

My opinion is to plain switch to Marth, man.

you are a sad, sad person. just switch to marth? HAHHA my friend had a decent roy, because he understood that other chars have strengths and weaknesses. same for me and my marth. stop looking at who to pick, and look at who has what advantages, and work with it. roy's slow, and heavy, and falls faster.. it means marth can't fthrow chain him, and his fsmash will not be as good compared to jigs/peach/zelda/floaties.


also... :lick:


**** you Hun!!! i went to get some ginger ale! that should be me!!!! me!!!! :lick: :lick: :lick:

[Pneuma]

It seems to spike on the last part of the dair when it's passed the midpoint and is on its way back up to the waist. Usually I'm just a little bit past them and a little bit above them. Other than that I don't know what to say, practice on a sandbag. @_@

[david_jiang13]

My opinion is to plain switch to Marth, man.


did i not just say that marth is overused and i wanna play roy becuz i like him better and i wanna be different. playing a better char doesnt mean ur better. any char can beat any char it all matters on ur knowledge of the player and character and ur skill.

[david_jiang13]

It seems to spike on the last part of the dair when it's passed the midpoint and is on its way back up to the waist. Usually I'm just a little bit past them and a little bit above them. Other than that I don't know what to say, practice on a sandbag. @_@


ya im going to start practicing that. still a bit unclear about where and when to hit but after a while i should be able to get it.

[Buzz]

The up-smash spike isn't the easiest trick to pull off deliberately but it can be done. Experiment with it on recovering opponents. The D-air spike has to be near the hilt of the sword. My most commonly used Roy spike is the DED-3rd-hit-up. It's nice because you can use the first two moves of the DED for positioning purposes.

[vZakat]

As far as I know Roy has 4 spikes/meteors. From easiest to hardest they are : His third DED hit if up, his up smash, his dair, and his fair (I've seen Neo spike with fair and I've done it once myself). Your best bet is to just use DED to spike, it's the only one with a high probability of success.

[david_jiang13]

ya ive been preacticing and the up smash is too inconsitent and i still cant seem to get the dair. the 3rd DED is the best bet

[Jeyt]

What exactly is DED?

[Damax]

double edge dance... forward B

[Jeyt]

Thanks, I guess it was a good thing to scan this thread.

[Mario'sCapeabilities]

Im going to toss my two cents in if no one cares. I found that with Roy the best way to practice his dair spike is to get a ganon on level 1(so he just sits there) and then get him up in damage. After you get him up just throw him up and jump into him and practice spiking. I find it best works if Ganon's feet just touch Roy's head/chest region when you do it. After you get it down it isn't to hard. Killing with it is, though. His up-smash I havent been able to see a pattern or sweet spot but I noticed that everytime it does spike the person goes in the direction Roy was facing. Ive been trying to get someone to the edge and try it but I havent yet. Hope I helped or at least kept the topic alive.

[Damax]

I up smashed a computer lv 9 samus to death, can I say that it goes light speed?. I've touched him with the middle of the blade (almost) and it was o the side, it didn't touch the sword realy only that kind of aura

[FlareBlade]

But of Course Roy got Dair Smash, He can do Bat Drops...
But Marth Better anyway, and it´s harder to get perfect hit with Roy´s U-Smash to get Spike o_O

[uremog]

<_< um... what does bat dropping have to do with this?

i can't say for sure, since i don't play roy, but from a theoretical standpoint, his dair is very unreliable in real matches. because you have to get so close to the enemy, the only practical use seems to be in a combo. does DI make this hard relative to the other options available, such as shffl fair to fsmash? it seems that way to me, but i'd like to see what you guys think.

also, i don't think it's a good idea to be relying on the usmash pseudospike... i mean, you're planning to catch someone off the edge with that? seems unlikely to me... also, maybe someone who knows could confirm or deny what i said about the alternating up and down hits.

[Damax]

Oh well I doubt about the as much hit that goes down as hit that goes up reason : the hits make the enemy goes up till the tip of the blade, the strenght of the hit that goes down is incredible. so if it was alternating. the enemy shouldn't be going up till the tip of the blade

[Chaotix_0]

The end to all this Marth and Sheik own all talk will be now. Roy is cooler than marth, he may be slower and not have a readily available spike or meteor, but I don't need to meteor to win. I will crush Marth as the Ice Climbers, then we can all have a good laugh.

[Chaotix_0]

What exactly is DED?
DED is just an abbreviation for Roy's forward B move, the double edge dance. Marth's is known as the Dancing blade. If you don't know the names of the moves, you may want to read a bit more b4 you post in character specific forums.

[Soanevalck]

DED is just an abbreviation for Roy's forward B move, the double edge dance. Marth's is known as the Dancing blade. If you don't know the names of the moves, you may want to read a bit more b4 you post in character specific forums.

and you need to stop caring about what noobs post, especially since an answer to that question was already posted

[ZMan]

also, Roy's Up-B move MIGHT be a spike, I've done it once myself.

Also, I thing about the Up-smash spike, the spike part might change during the attack. It's theory.

[Damax]

Yay I spiked someone with the down air, I think I could do it again, but still it isn't useful

[LightvsDark]

ive been playing and reading about how Marth is better than Roy. one of the most mentioned point is that Marth has a spike with his dair. but lately ive been using roy's up smash and it sometimes either meteors or spikes when i hit a certain part. if anyone knows more about where ithe sword needs to hit for it to get this effect plz tell me.


roy has a "sweet spot" on his sword near the hilt so if you hit someone with it then they get spiked or launched far. marth's "sweet spot" is at the tip of his sword. does any one feel that it is easyer to play falco with roy

[The Great Marth]

I think marth vs falco is a ton easy-er.

roy is just to punishable when fighting falco.

[Chaotix_0]

and you need to stop caring about what noobs post, especially since an answer to that question was already posted

Last time I answer anyone's question. Next time I'll just post something rude, since tellhim him what he wanted to know isn't what I'm supposed to do.

[Damax]

I think the sweetspot for the down air is beside Roy and while hitting with the middle of the blade... haven't tested it yet... but happened twice against my friend who played marth

[Broken Fox]

Roy's up-smash meteor doesn't seem very practical to use during a match. The only time it seems even remotely useful is if your opponent overshoots the ledge, but there are more effective ways of punishing an overshot such as a simple f-smash.

Roy's DED meteor is his best meteor, but it is very easy to see coming so the opponent would have alot of time to prepare for a meteor cancel.

Roy's d-air meteor is extremely difficult for me to hit the right spot, so it feels more practical to just f-air edgeguard. You will also avoid the risk of hitting them up, or in the worst case, fast fall your d-air to your oblivion(doesn't apply to c-stickers).

Overall, Roy is just not meant to kill his opponents skyward or downward, since his main kill moves: f-smash, DED 3rd hit forward, and counter. All of which give insane horizontal knockback. Yes I know that up-smash, d-smash, DED 4th up, and DED 4th forward are vert kill moves, but they are also not very practical.

Of course, if your a few stocks ahead or are feeling kinda evil, you might as well have some fun and try to land some of these meteors.