East Canada Team thread

[PhoenyxFyre]

This is the thread for East Canada Team for the trans-Canada tourament on March 18 2006. We're going to have to pick the best team possible if we want to beat WC, IMO theres only a couple spots that are guaranteed.

-Metaknight (if he comes)
-Chesterr
-TestRider
-Pkmvodka
-Kings
-?
-?
-?

-?
-?

The remaining three spots for the starters most likely go to Sprocket, Ice44, Tmoc or other good players from Montreal or Ottawa.

For the substitutes we have a wide range of options such as V2k2, Breadx, RaynEx, Unknown, etc

If you have anything else to add please do so and sorry if i forgot anybody that should get a spot.

[lionheart1]

what about those of us from right outside of canada?
-tim

[Lanowen]

I talked to Metaknight when I was in London on the 21st, he said that, that tournament was most likely his last. When I asked if the was coming to this one, he said that he wouldn't be able to make it.

With a little persuation we may be able to get him to go...

[TestRider]

Well there are still tons of people from Quebec who could make the list, but I don't know how many of them would be willing to come to this. Oh yeah, and don't forget that no Ontarian smasher managed to place higher than Wak last time :P

[Lanowen]

It would be in everyone's best interest to go to the NNR Toronto tournament Feb 18th, then we can build the team there. It would be better than just shooting opinions around the message boards, and we would be able to get a difinitive answer.

[IoN[Inferno]]

i agree with andy, there are some who i'm pretty sure should be on it (the ones you listed basically) let the rest be decided at the tournament. not necessarily BY the tournament though. definately do not forget that guy from v2k2's crew who plays jiggly, i think he came fifth or fourth or something.

[PhoenyxFyre]

the problem with that is that not many Montreal ppl can make it to NNR's tournament and not many Ontario ppl could make it to a Montreal tournament. Hopefully we can make a team at NNR tournament

[Vegetto2k2]

Im up for representing EC. Might i suggest some sort of smash poll? we can make one now, and then have another after feb 18 depending on the results, then we evaluate both and see what kind of stuff we come up with. As for a list that i personally think would work (dont mean to offend anyone or anything, but im just going from WHAT i have personally witnessed)

-pkmvodka
-chesterr01
-testrider
-ice44
-kings
-sprocket
-raynex
-v2k2

-tmoc
-puff daddy
-unknown522
-phoenyxfyre (didnt see yourself on the list, you arent bad yourself phoenyx)

Metaknight isnt coming, he made it clear that he was done, if he it would be great, but from what i have seen on the boards he isnt as interested as he once was. So putting that aside, we should form this omitting Metaknight

[Acidile]

Other than the obvious people, I think the NNR tourney will get us a better idea of a good team, its really a shame meta won't be able to show >.>

[TestRider]

It would be in everyone's best interest to go to the NNR Toronto tournament Feb 18th, then we can build the team there. It would be better than just shooting opinions around the message boards, and we would be able to get a difinitive answer.

Huh...sure. How about you guys actually come all the way to Montreal instead?

Seriously, the only ones to have actually played at tournaments in Ontario and Quebec are vodka, chester, wak, Fogel and me, so you're going to have to take our word on this.

[Lanowen]

It would be in everyone's best interest to go to the NNR Toronto tournament Feb 18th, then we can build the team there. It would be better than just shooting opinions around the message boards, and we would be able to get a difinitive answer.

Huh...sure. How about you guys actually come all the way to Montreal instead?

Seriously, the only ones to have actually played at tournaments in Ontario and Quebec are vodka, chester, wak, Fogel and me, so you're going to have to take our word on this.

You know, I probably would go to Quebec for a tournament if I had a chance, the only chance I had was a few days after Christmas. There was no hope in hell that I could make it to that.

Set something up and I will see if I can go, my exams end on the 29th, I would have gone to Ottawa on the 27th/28th, but it is too close to my exams.

[pkmvodka]

Who's raynex?

[sprocket]

First of all testrider. Placing doesnt mean ****. Ive playd wak a bunch of times and havent lost a game to him. We only played once but i was up a stock on you when we had our one game.

Chester rapes me the most. But i at least have a chance at a sheik vs fox agaisnt him.

Vodka i've beaten a bunch of times, but hes beaten me like 3/4s more.

Me and kings played down to the line last tourney.

I'm saying I should definately be on the list.


Im gonna say this before i make the list.

If we have metaknight we win, if we dont we lose.

Anyways heres my list.

1.Vodka
2.Chester
3.Testrider
4.Kings
5.Sprocket
6.tMoC
7.Ice44
8.V2k2

Then im not sure of final two placements but these people are in consideration

Wak
Phoenixfire
Puffdaddy
RayneX
Maybe other Quebec guys or somethin

There should definately not be any americans on either side as its a competition to see whos the best in Canada.

[PYelneh15]

It would be in everyone's best interest to go to the NNR Toronto tournament Feb 18th, then we can build the team there. It would be better than just shooting opinions around the message boards, and we would be able to get a difinitive answer.




I could go to this one. Where to I find out more information about it?

[Vegetto2k2]

I agree with you Sprocket, I like how that list looks. I just dont think Meta should be relied on, it doesnt seem like he'll show. But i wouldnt say "we lose". It'll be an up-hill climb.. Ill leave it at that.

[TestRider]

First of all testrider. Placing doesnt mean ****. Ive playd wak a bunch of times and havent lost a game to him.

I was kidding with the wak thing, he's probably not top 8 in Quebec, let alone eastern Canada.

But seriously, we need to talk to some people around Montreal and see who's willing to come to this and who isn't. There are enough good Quebecer smashers to make a team of like 20 people, but obviously not all of them are willing/capable of going to Toronto.

Personally, if everyone was available, I'd go with something like this (in no particular order) :

vodka
chester
sprocket
Kings (never saw him play but heard a lot of good)
Gino
Sony
Anyone of the peeps from St-Thérèse
And myself

[Lanowen]

You can't just build a team of people who you think may be good, and put them on the team if they can go to the Trans-Canada tournament, you need to be fair. Since the Feb.18th thing is the only planned thing that isn't 2 days away, people should meet at the NNR tournament in Feb.

If anyone wants people to go to Montreal, set something up in Montreal. Right now, I can't find any tournament on the tournament board.

So my point to this post is, people should meet up at one place or another (NNR right now, since that is the only practical thing available now), then play for it, instead of making up lists. This shows who can actually make it to Toronto, and who is good enough.

[PhoenyxFyre]

Lanowen's right, there are many things right now that wouldnt be fair to the people who want to represent EC. examples: some montreal ppl havent played some Ontario ppl, some Ontario ppl havent played some Ontario ppl, me being 4-1 against V2k2 in tournament and money matches, etc.

[TestRider]

Of course the best way to go would be to hold a kind of "pre-tournament" for electing members, but new news : travelling from Montreal to Toronto isn't that simple. I doubt many people from around here would be willing to go to both Toronto tournaments, and organizing a tournament is something that takes quite a bit of free time, something I certainly don't have.

So if you've got any idea go ahead and speak up, but so far I don't see any way of making this thing besides going from what we've seen from the last tournaments.

[mitch_guitar]

If chester held another tournament in montreal sometime in february that would be hot, wasn't able to make it to the last one.

[Vegetto2k2]

Actually Phoenyx from my count it was something similar to this.

Aug - you beat me in the tourny 2:1
Smashfest - I beat you in a falco ditto mm, and you beat me in a fox v. mario mm
Smashfest#2 - you werent there
Smashfest#3 - you beat me in a MM, but i thought it was best of 3, when i got 2:1, you said it was best of 5, and you came back and won.
Smashfest #4 - you cancelled our MM cuz you said you werent playing well.
Oct tourny - you didnt attend
Mini tourny - i didnt attend

This is what i counted, which would mean its 3:1, and you cancelled one. Although i dont see what relevance this has, at the feb tourny im sure we'll play again, i have gotten better now.

[Lanowen]

Of course the best way to go would be to hold a kind of "pre-tournament" for electing members, but new news : travelling from Montreal to Toronto isn't that simple. I doubt many people from around here would be willing to go to both Toronto tournaments, and organizing a tournament is something that takes quite a bit of free time, something I certainly don't have.

So if you've got any idea go ahead and speak up, but so far I don't see any way of making this thing besides going from what we've seen from the last tournaments.

Travelling from Toronto to Montreal isn't simple either then, but the way I see it, there are limited options.

Something is held in Toronto (which already is being held)
Something is held in Montreal
Something is held somewhere halfway inbetween the two
It is done the day of (doubtful due to time limit)

I personally think the first choice is the best, since there is less to set up.

[TestRider]

No need for an actual tournament, if all you want is to measure people up then a smashfest would be fine. There's already something organized in Ottawa this week-end, or I'm sure we could hold something not too big in Montreal.

[Jarrod]

LOL Duran can't be so uber 1337 that he could take out an entire crew with 4 stocks. Or even more than two people...
Though he does play Fox, so maybe he's super cool with those wave shines. But Steve is a pretty good Fox as well...
Hmmmmm....
Whatever, continue you guys lol.

[MetaKnight0]

me and sprocket discussed that. he actually didn't mean that statement literally, but probably missed some words. Such as may, or more of a chance, or those words that lean towards one or the other but do not stand fully in one opinion.

sprocket you'd better have saved that msg convo we had. Post it here. Lots of insight achieved.

Jarrod back to the pits that spawned you. I can smell your stink from here.

[sprocket]

Fairness? This isnt about being fair. Its about having the best crew possible.

So, I think the top 6 players are staples, that will go no matter what. The remaing spots can be played for. Even if they partially have to be played for the night before the tourney.

[chesterr01]

Lanowen, I'm pretty sure Fogel could be able to make a smashfest anytime he wants in Ottawa, but honestly, I don't think the Toronto people would come. The only person who could ***** in this topic would be Fogel, he went everywhere. Then tMoC could talk a little also. The Montreal crew made the trip many times, and we should feel bad for not going again? Tough luck. As hard as it would be for us to go to Toronto, it would be hard for you guys to come to Ottawa or Montreal, that, I realize. Btw, I don't know if I'm going to the NNR tournament, not because I don't want to, but because I probably won't be able to.

Honestly, I think the Kanata people are better than most in Toronto. So technically, the best place would be in Ottawa, but since you guys won't come, **** it.

Jarrod gtfo and make me a sammich.

[Fogel]

Wow, lots of e-drama going on here! The good players from Ontario have already been mentioned already, so I won't repeat them. However, TestRider and chet are the only ones backing up the Quebec smashers. I agree with them that more Quebec folks should be considered here. I have seen/played with a bunch of them at the Montreal tourney in December, and I can say that a few people there should be given serious consideration. Sony, Geno, Falco guy who got 4th (Jin?), Damac, maybe some others that I didn't see too.

Since it did get mentioned, I was considering having another smashfest in Ottawa late Feb./early March sometime, before Phoenyx's tourney. If enough people can travel up here around that time I wouldn't mind hosting something to figure out the EC crew (EC crews tourney during the smashfest or something). The only problem is that most Toronto people can't travel due to parents/money. The other Quebec smashers might have problems travelling too; I can't speak for them. I don't think there's really an easy way to resolve this. If enough people are seriously willing to do this, post and I will do my best to arrange something in Ottawa.

[Lanowen]

I can probably make it to Ottawa, the only reason I am not going to the one on the 28th is because of my exams. It should be fun, if all the good people are going to go too, I always enjoy challenging matches.

See what you can do Fogel, but you don't have to kill youself trying to do it. :)

[mitch_guitar]

Fogel, if the smashfest you are planning on having in late feb/early march is going to be big, you can expect our crew to help out in any way possible :)

[TestRider]

The Montreal crew made the trip many times, and we should feel bad for not going again? Tough luck.


Yeah that pretty much summed up my feelings on this matter, why should we need to organize ANOTHER tournament when we have already faced each other and seen what people could do?

[Lanowen]

It's just kinda weird, you don't want to come here, and want people to go there. BUT, you also don't want to set anything up so people can go there.

This isn't supposed to be about rides either, it is supposed to be about smash, and the best for the EC, but you guys have killed it. Good luck doing what you want, I hope it really is the best. :/

[TestRider]

...What the ****?

It's just kinda weird, you don't want to come here, and want people to go there. BUT, you also don't want to set anything up so people can go there.

No, you got it wrong. It's not that we don't WANT to go over to Toronto, we just can't. Maybe it's hard to grasp for you guys (someone said you were all around 15-16 of age), but I can't afford trips like that every week-end. Gosh most of you couldn't even afford the trip to Montreal for the tourney chester organized, and that was during holiday vacations; we're talking about February right now. I go to university full-time and I work part-time, so I'm sorry to break your heart but smashing isn't the only thing I have to do. Fogel said he could do more smashfests in Ottawa, so why not just go there and do this selection thing.

This isn't supposed to be about rides either, it is supposed to be about smash, and the best for the EC, but you guys have killed it. Good luck doing what you want, I hope it really is the best. :/

..."We" have killed it? How? By not being able to go to a Toronto tourney when we already did anyway? If you really want to play us again so bad before March, just go to one of Fogel's smashfests.

[Lanowen]

No, you got it wrong. It's not that we don't WANT to go over to Toronto, we just can't. Maybe it's hard to grasp for you guys (someone said you were all around 15-16 of age), but I can't afford trips like that every week-end. Gosh most of you couldn't even afford the trip to Montreal for the tourney chester organized, and that was during holiday vacations; we're talking about February right now. I go to university full-time and I work part-time, so I'm sorry to break your heart but smashing isn't the only thing I have to do. Fogel said he could do more smashfests in Ottawa, so why not just go there and do this selection thing.

Thank you for saying that now, it would have been better to say that earlier. That tournament was on the weekend, right after Christmas, some people have more than 1 family and can't make it.

Just to clarify, you said 'I doubt many people from around here would be willing to go to both Toronto tournaments', I am sorry for misinterperating that to include you.

..."We" have killed it? How? By not being able to go to a Toronto tourney when we already did anyway? If you really want to play us again so bad before March, just go to one of Fogel's smashfests.

You kinda killed it by having a little bit of a pessimistic attitude toward the situation. It would have been better if you contributed more instead of saying that you can't go, and it is a hard trip. I think the only ones who swore were people representing Quebec, but that is just my opinion in the matter.

I don't necessarily want to play you, I want to play anyone. I already know I am probably not good enough to be on the EC team, but maybe some people from NNR, but I suppose we will never know at the rate this is progressing. Since you are not doing anything, we need to wait to see what Fogel can do.

[MetaKnight0]

Who I think are guarantees for the crew:

pkmvodka (X_X)
chester (X_X)
Testrider (never seen him play but getting near top place above all the rest of Ontario gotta be good)
sprocket (he just has to be in a good mood and his characters will be unstoppable. Remembers taking 7-8 stocks in crewz)

My strong recommendations: (snag me on MSN if you want expranations, I won't say a thing here. Grab the email from sprocket I'm also not spilling it out here >_<)
tMoc
Kings
PhoenyxFyre
---can't think of anything else at the moment

I don't think it would be very profitable if No Mercy + Sony went to any Toronto tournaments barring the March one. Just makes it harder to get cash when it counts. The only thing that I think most the guys down south here want to see is if Sony has what No Mercy's been speaking of. Especially how much experience Sony has and how well he fares under pressure.

Please do not depend on me to join the crew. I will do as much as I can do to help the crew in organization and whatnot, but there is little to no chance of me going. I'm only about as good as the No Mercy guys, and that's if I'm in top shape and practiced up, which I'm not. I suck in crews too ask chester = (

vodka/test/chester I have a new AIM I'll contact you from there I guess. Planning I tink.

[Vegetto2k2]

I agree with what Sprocket said, the top 6 should be staples. That is the best way to go about doing things, the other spots can be fought over or whatever.

1. pkmvodka
2. chet
3. testrider
4. sprocket
5. ice (If he goes, there is no sign of him attending)
6. kings

possible reccomendations:

-tMoC
-PhoenyxFyre
-RaynEX
-V2k2
-Puff Daddy
-Unknown_522
-Anyone who has improved considerably and can make the cut.

[Fogel]

I'm a crew n00b, but why are there 8 spots? Isn't it 5 people at most for crews (the other 3 are backup or something)?

Anyways...I'll have another Ottawa smashfest late Feb/early March, IF turnout's ok at the one tomorrow. The main focus will be to prepare for the Trans-Canada tourney. If people want to do the EC thing there, then that's fine, we can set aside some TVs/time for that. None of the 'candidates' for the undecided spots are saying anything in this thread anyways, so I doubt anything is going to get resolved.

[sprocket]

Ok I think I have a way to settle this.

To get the top 6 staples out of the way:
Vodka
Chester
Testrider
Sprocket
Kings
tMoC

Now. I propse that the final two spots go to
1 Ontarian and
1 Quebecer

I propose Ontario Does the following, Quebec can do something similar or something different as long as they get 1 guy

To figure out who gets the last spot from Ontario. The players in consideration play a mini round robin tourney playing all other players who are considered.
The format would be as follows

Double Blind Pick before each match
5 Stock
8 minute time limit
1 Match

The reason for it not being best 2 of 3 are for 2 main reasons.

1. This mini tourney will have to be held DURING the Toronto tourney. And shall not take up any tournament time. So instead of doing money matches, this mini tournament shall be priority. Which means time is an issue.
2. A person may have one bad match, but they have other matches to make up for it. The best should still come out on top. In crews you dont get a break. You have to play in ONE match without thinking of a counter strategy or pick during the break. Its about being ON in the moment. And this format will test that ability. Also all players will be prepared psychologically, knowing they have one match and thats it.

There are 6 people in consideration in Ontario. Anyone who objects to these people better have a reasonable claim that they are better then said people. This has to be realistic and time is an important issue, not everyone who wants a chance! can get one. The proven players over may tourneys/fests are the ones who are in consideration.
Here is the list. in no particular order
Ice44
V2K2
Greg W
PhoenixFire
RayneX
Puff Daddy

So that means each player will play 5 matchs. Meaning that the whole tourney will consist of 15 matches.

With a 2 way tie for first, the player who beat the other player gets the spot.

If there is a 3 way tie for first then those players have mini round robins until someone comes out on top. With competition this close in skill, someone should surely overtake the other 2, and not have it go on forever.

So assuming an AVG time of 4 MINs per game that would be an hour total to complete the mini tourney with 1 TV. With 2 it would halve the time to half an hour.

The matches should be played WHEN POSSIBLE. Instead of Freindlies and money matches.

[TestRider]

sprocket : Weren't you the one who said we shouldn't care about being "fair" and rather just go for the best team possible? I f so, why insist on 4 Quebecers/4 Ontarian smashers? I see 7 people in Quebec that are better than tMoC and the 6 others on your list, just a matter of getting them to go to the tournament.

[chesterr01]

Metaknight, I don't go on aim often, wtf mangz. =(

Lanowen, do you hate Quebecers? ¬_¬ Personnally, I'd be happy to play with the West guys, but I don't really care about a spot on the crew team. Do you want mine? And no, it's not that we don'T want to go like Test said, we just can't. Sorry. We already did a lot of travelling in the past, so telling us that we aren't doing enough is simply insulting.