Ganon vs Peach

[fjugin]

I have this friend who really likes to play peach, and since ganon is my main character I tend to play alot matches ganon vs peach. The problem is that i get my butt kicked most of times. With other characters we play fairly even.
He has a really defencive playing stile, most of the time he stands still, throwing turnips at you which forces me to be the attack him. this is where the main problem comes, if try to run towards him for throws or dashattacks he just uses his Dsmash, causing me tremendous pain. if i attack him from the air he just blocks my attack and then grabs me for some painfull combo.
Im trying to keeping the right distanse so his grabs wont reach, but the he just dashattacks, or attack him from the rear, in which case he just blocks and dashattack me.. His edge guard consist mostly of throwing turnips at me and Dsmash me when i get close enough.
Other problems i have is that my edge guard wont work very well, he often just hover high over the stadge, to high for ganon to reach, and if he comes in low he uses his Nair which seems to have really good priority since im often the one that gets hit. . And my combos wont either work since peach falls so slow and seems to have this awsome recovery.
The only thing I have found that works good is to try to get her up in the air and attacking her from underneath with Uair but thats not a very good KO-move and she often stays alive at really high percentage.
Im not a pro player and not either a noob, im i the process of learning wavedashes, Techrolling, L-canseling and other higher level techs.
So could someone please help me give ganon back the dignity he deserve.

[Mann]

-Well, first off, the Uair is not a KO move, but a GREAT edgeguard. What you could do is stand near the edge, shorthop, use the C-stick for Uair, just in case not accidently get 2nd jump.

-Anyways. Have you tried JCing the grabs? ie. Right before you grab, you press up, and then the animation of the grab will be just like you were standing still, assuming you did it right.

-It's amazing what Dtilt can do. Or even CC the dash attack and then Dtilt.

-Have you ever tried grabbing the turnips so you can use them to your advantage instead?

-When you try attacking from the air, position yourself/move in a way that you'll land behind Peach while still in the air. ie. Running at Peach, do a Dair along the way, and land behind her. Well, SHFFL'd Dairs. Lcancelling with that will help you greatly.

-What I'm mostly worried about, is when your lil friend starts learning the potential of the Usmash. So don't tell him anything. :p

-Have you tried using the jab more? Great for stopping people's grabs. Comes out like nothing else.

-Thought about using Wizard's foot more? Vary your moves. If you have rarely used this before against your friend, might be a good time to surprise him. And then change tactics.

-Bair is also a wonderful thing if you can time it.

Good luck to you man. If you have any more problems/questions, I'll see what I can think of, as for everyone else. :D Hopefully I gave any helped.

[Vall3y]

umm. the uair imo IS a ko move, it can ko alot of chars, including peach, in not-to-high %.
and he didnt complain about his grabs, he was saying he is trying to stay out of his enemy... but JC grab is usually a good idea anyway =p
i dont think you should cc against peach too much. 1 cc'ed dsmash and you suffer alot of damage...
imo grabbing the turnips is a bad idea. maybe grab and immediatly drop. but with the turnip at ur hand you lose all ur a move set which is like a window of opportunitys for exprienced peach players.
even if u land behind her, she cant grab you but dsmash may reach, but if she was sheilding she'll probably wont be able to dsmash you. also landing into jabs are great. l-cancel is must.

my personal advice will be dash dancing to fake him to dsmash. it doesnt have much lag so use that time to punish the *****. dair seem to be good at this
good luck

[Mann]

Well, KO move as in a high power attack. Is what I'm guessing from him. Yes, the Uair is a KO move for keeping them pushed every time. Good edgeguard. :)

CCing a Dsmash is a completely different story. I was up late last night and was to tired to put extra information. Like, being careful about Peach doing a dash and THEN a Dsmash. But the dash attacks can be CC'd and then a Dtilt.

And yup, Vall3y has it right about the dash dancing part.

[W.Jr]

I would say peach would have a better chance..

[Mann]

Well, I'm going to have to say that their pretty equal. Ganon's knockback's can kill peach, if timed correctly and/or wise enough to set up Peach. However, Peach's Dsmash can tear up Ganon if he's not careful as well. At work right now, so can't continue up.

[mood4food77]

dash dance a lot, it will confuse the hell outta the peach, shffl'd nairs work wonders on peach, down tilt to forward b to uair at low %s work well too, your jab can cancel out the dsmash, grab up to uair is another good combo, reverse uair spikes i think will go through the umbrella, if not then do a dair, that definitely goes through the umbrella, use her strategy against her, juggle, run away, catch as many turnips as you can, they will srew up her main game, sidestep the grab because the amazingly powerful *****slap will kill you, forward tilts are good to keep her away, do not use down b because her down smash out priorizes it, try not crouch cancel at all because she can fake a dash attack into a dash cancel down smash, bairs if spaced properly are great, if on pokemon stadium and it changes to the rock stage (or ground but whatever) get in the space surrounded by both walls and spam the up smash, she can not attack you in there without a turnip and the up smash cancels the turnip, if she goes to the right and tries to attack you with the forward smash, shffl a uair, if on the left try fair, uair, or bair, uair works best because of it's range, ganon has a upperhand on peach, not a big one but he does, since he is fairly floaty, you will at most without crouch cancelling hit yuou twice with her dsmash, jab a lot it messes her game up, especially her grab game, oh and never use b, up b, and tilt up

[fjugin]

thanks for all help.
Even though peach still wins more than she loses, my ganon is more even with her then before. I have tried to land behind her with almost all my airials, sometimes even a fAir so i get my front towards her i order to shield grab her when she counterattacks with a dash. I have also tried to be alot more aggresive when she is in the air and more defencive when on the ground. the jab is also something i try to use as much as i can when she is close and is tuned my way, works wonderful and can even be followed up by a down B sometimes. I've had some problems landing the Dtilt, it is often just out prioitized by her Dsmash, and my cc to Dtilt has neither worked very well.
another problem i have is how I should avoidher edge guard, consisting of very well timed turnips throwed at me and Dsmash when i try to reach the edge from below.

[mood4food77]

also, did you try to drop down from a ledge and jump back up, what happens, you grab the ledge again, during the drop down, you stay invincible for a few frames, but do it over and over again, she can't hurt you,then out of nowhere do a normal jump from the edge to confuse her, you bair out priorizes her nair and fair, and is faster than the fair, sidestepping the grabs is always painful, down b has actually low priority and will get eaten up by the dsmash, forward b is a better choice since it has more priority, you dair does go throught the umbrella, ganon is supposed to have a upper hand..if not almost counter peach, ganon is faster, i will repeat it, he is faster, he has the highest priority (tied with marth) of all standing a attacks, and it's the strongest, what stage do you pick, assuming final destination, that is ganon's worst stage, he get's owned in that stage (well except me, for some reason i can fight my friend's falco better on final than the other stages), fight him on battle field and see who wins, the uair has more priority than he downsmash, and she can't run away either, just remember it's not a kirby (he can crouch under every attack but 6 attacks) his hardest fight

[Lemming 1545]

sidestep the grab because the amazingly powerful *****slap will kill you
I mentioned this at the Peach boards a while ago, and they all laughed and told me I was crazy. They don't even realize how powerful it is. : (

I've found that the best counter for Peach's downsmash is the downward-angled Armor Crusher. Also, Ganondorf's forward-air Skull Crusher move is suprisingly easy to hit most Peach players with, and effective as well.

[CStick]

Bair spam for the win. Stay in the air and use the hell out of your bair. Its quick enough to eat through any of peach's aerials.

Also, that dtilt/CC thing= BAD IDEA. Ganon already gets hit bad by the dsmash, and getting hit while holding down will kill any chance of you winning the match

[Lemming 1545]

Also, that dtilt/CC thing= BAD IDEA. Ganon already gets hit bad by the dsmash, and getting hit while holding down will kill any chance of you winning the match
Nonononono, not the down-a (Sweeping Snake) the forward-a (Armor Crusher) angled down. Yeah, I don't think Sweeping Snake could hit Peach's downsmash. The Armor Crusher, on the other hand, I have found to be very easy-to-use and effective.

[mood4food77]

well, the dair i know goes throw almost everything peach throws at you (i think even the upsmash, but that's pushing it i think), does the sweeping kick cancel out the rotating foot of death (peach's down smash), her dash attack just goes through everything, no way of cancelling htat out, maybe with a nightmare lunge (smash forward a???), but i would think ganon would have an advantage over peach because of the bair, but if her rotating foot of death wasn't so ******* annoying, ganon would have an advantage.....stupid foot or death, why must you be so darn good

[DaZe]

Yeah, the rotating death foot is troublesome. Just make sure that you l-cancel all od your arials in the event that you miss so you can hopefully wavedash away before she gets off a d-smash, then hit her with another bair or fair before she finishes.

In other matters, if she's spamming the turnips, catch as many as you can and throw them back immediately. Who knows, maybe you'll catch a sick or a bomb.

[co_and_me]

no way ganon is faster than peach. Thats retarted. FC = faster than ganon.

[mood4food77]

ganon=sheik
sheik>peach

speed wise

[Vall3y]

almost all of peach's used moves (besides maybe fair and some others) are almost instant... ganon's fair and dair and some more are not as fast
lag wise peach still wins

[Nicholas.Riddle]

Peach has an advantage over Gannon. One of the more annoying things which my friend just recently figured out is Peach's ultimate edgeguard...Her Bair. Whenever Gannong is trying to get back onto the cliff, Peach's Bair can hit him. Since his ^B has some lag time, even when sweetspotting the edge, she can hit with Bair. You can tech, and she can hit with another one...If your friend ever figures that out...Good luck to you.

[CaptainAwesome]

Sweet-spotting the ledge with Ganon's Up-B? LOL! Good luck with that.

[maelstrom218]

Not to be TOO harsh here, but in all honestly, Ganon's recovery is about as predictable as the fact that Bowser is going to kidnap Peach. Again. Almost everyone with half a brain can successfully edgeguard Ganon, mostly because his recovery routine is pretty standard, he has terrible aerial mobility, he's a big target, and his up-b doesn't have a hitbox attatched to it.

That's why if your name happens to be Thomas Tipman, you should aim to sweetspot, but instead you just edgetech whatever Peach throws at you into a b-air to get rid of the edgeguarder, and recover safely.

[mood4food77]

he'll still be able to survive longer than peach will

[CaptainAwesome]

I'll never understand why people love Thomas Tipman so much. Yeah, the video is cool, but there are a lot of really good Ganons out there. Nobody ever talks about me or Eddie or Joe Bushman. You people need to get off the internet.


Back on topic, though, Ganon is way too easy to edge guard, especially if you're Peach. Unless you suck.

Maelstrom, the conversation was about her Bair edgeguard. When you mention teching what she throws, I imagine you're thinking of Down Smash. And while that is true of that, if she uses Bair or Nair, you are going to have some trouble on your hands.


By the way, Thomas Tipman, I didn't mean any hate towards you. I have a lot of respect for you and your Ganon play, it just bothers me that scrubs praise the ground you walk on, know what I mean? We'll play at FC or something. In fact, we should team. Ganon/Ganon FTW. Naw, I'm just playin. I'm sure you'll have a partner. But if you don't, hit me up.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

whats a tipman??? who does he play???

[CaptainAwesome]

My point exactly Trail.

[Zeke_]

SHFFL F-airs, they kill peach. Try not to use ganon's dash attack, its not that good. Do reverse U-airs off the stage, be careful. When recovering you can use wizards foot to give you an extra jump, dont use it when your near the bottom. If peach spams turnips catch them and throw them back, lol its not that easy, if you have trouble catching them just dodge them.