Shiek troubles, ganon.

[GanonPWN!]

I play against a pretty decent shiek as ganon. I have a hard time beating him because he has so many combos from throws and tilts. Can i DI out of these, at what percents and from what throws?

whats the best way to KO a shiek with ganon?

Also he uses alot of dash attacks, and ican't shield grab them, any suggestions on how to stop that? THANKS.
i'd like a really detailed post fyi :)!

Does anyone know of any good ganon v shiek vids too?

[SoulSlayerWind]

You may want to try those sticky guides about Ganondorf. They should cover Shiek vs Ganon matches. You can try to Up+Tilt a shiek to kill once they are off the stage.

yes I did mean Up+Air sorry about that....I sound like a noob saying Up+Tilt I was thinking of something else i guess idk.

[Volasko]

U-Tilt!! hahah ya right good luck hitting a fast moving shiek with that move.... You know that is the move for a Volcano kick that is super laggy.. Did u mean u-air? cause thats an effective move because of its speed and good knockback. If you use U-air to edge gaurd make sure that your facing away from the ledge because that move acts like a semi-spike if you time it right. And GanonPWN, shiek is by far ganondorf's hardest match up, her speed just messes him up, Id recomend trying a faster char agains Sheik, like Fox. If you must use him against Shiek you have to L-cancel, its the only way to speed up his airials, his b-air is really good because of its power and speed. When on the ground use forward tilts and neutral A's too. Good luck I hope that helps

[GanonPWN!]

ya i read tipps guide and like 15 words doesn't help me! i need more! and uptilt? are you retarded?

[RyokoYaksa]

Give up on beating a Sheik with Ganon reliably. She just destroys him 90% of the time.

[Dark_Fire]

Read Tipman's guide on Ganon vs. anyone. Search the forum before you post something that has already been asked...or answered, for that matter.

Edit: It says you can chain grab her.

[GanonPWN!]

ya i need more than just a couple words like i said before, so does anyone have any DETAILED explanations?

[Lemming 1545]

What do you want? A move-by-move walkthrough for the entire match? That's not going to happen. What you've heard so far in this topic and what's available in the stickied topics is about as "detailed" as it's going to get. And anyway, I don't know why anyone would want to give you much help when you call them "retarded" for offering advice.

[Vall3y]

yeah, sadly if you want to win a sheik you just have to play way better than him
try chain grabbing and fight cheap with cheap :cool:
and umm, personally i dont use uair reverse spike vs sheik, but edgehogs and bair. it should work tho
jab to fair is a good safe way to .. well.. hit her

[Thomas Tipman]

Give up on beating a Sheik with Ganon reliably. She just destroys him 90% of the time.
thats why i kept it to a 15 word minimum.

[GanonPWN!]

nooo way!!!

[cablepuff]

good sheik vs ganon vids.

Hmm robmoney vs eddie (smym 3).

Oro vs eddie (gs2).


Oro vs eddie is a perfect example of sheik vs ganodorf.

[Uncle Meat]

Actually, a well placed utilt can edgeguard. I did it to my friend a few times. You can get the explosion to hit right infront of the edge and it totaly owns sweetspotters...

Only chanceis to chainthrow Sheik.

[Titan44]

Um. I'm pretty sure the part of Sheik's up+B most commonly used to sweetspot is almost completely invincible, so good luck with that up-tilt thing.

Best option is just to edgehog and force her to land on the stage, then ledgehop or something and punish the up+B's recovery. Should be enough time for you to get a F-air or something powerful in, or maybe just grab and try to send her back out.

[Mann]

I really feel that you'll have to play on the defensive and look for an opening. Annoying, yah, but you could benefit on it. Using the shield grab can help you a lot here, as long as you get to Shiek before Shiek gets you. When in air, try using Uair more than your Fair or Dair seeing how those are faster, or even your Bair can help you a lot.

You will definitely have to figure out your opponent and find times when to strike, or try and stay defensive while trying to get into a better position.

Hm... this also depends on the stage as well. If you keep playing Sheik on FD, good luck. You'll have a hard time catching up to Shiek if Shiek keeps running away. If you can, try using smaller places. I prefer to use Ganon on battlefield or dreamland.

[Vall3y]

Oro vs eddie is a perfect example of sheik vs ganodorf.

lol is it when he suicides... on purpose? lol :laugh: :dizzy:

[Uncle Meat]

Um. I'm pretty sure the part of Sheik's up+B most commonly used to sweetspot is almost completely invincible, so good luck with that up-tilt thing.

Best option is just to edgehog and force her to land on the stage, then ledgehop or something and punish the up+B's recovery. Should be enough time for you to get a F-air or something powerful in, or maybe just grab and try to send her back out.

I was talking about the first part of it.

[cablepuff]

lol is it when he suicides... on purpose? lol :laugh: :dizzy:

Lol yep, and eddie wins game 3 with fox.

[Vall3y]

whoa thats good to hear.
didnt dl the 3rd yet, but im happy eddie won that nasty counter picked sheik ;\
*back to topic*

[Erich]

Try a lot of shffling, because his shuffles are really powerful. Try chaingrabbing, and shieldgrabbing too. Use your thunderpunch a lot too, becuase its really fast. Try not to use smashes becuase they're slow {duh}, and use aerials a lot. Also dodging has its uses. When I first learned that wavedashing was better than dodging, and it is in most cases, I started to do it and eliminate dodging from my strategy. If you can dodge really well then you can really piss someone off, because everyone wavedashes, and they are not used to seing someone dodge really well, and if you can dodge well with the stationary dodge most of all, then it shows you are good at predicting people's movements, which is important. {duh} Of course, Ganondorf doesn't dodge the best, but just a suggestion.

But for the most part, I'd have to agree with everyone else; it's pretty much hopeless fighting a Shiek with Ganondorf unless you're a far, far superior Ganondorf, because he has a small wavedash and his dodge is kind of laggy and his roll is small and, like most other roll dodges, pretty much useless. Good challenge though, that's what I'd do it for.

[Sinz]

I agree with Erich, you need to take advantage of your shffls. use A and also, make sure to make good use of Dark Dive. you can use it to kill him/her. It cant be blocked, or countered. SO good luck with that. But, overall that is a hopeless match.

[nightcape1]

DI and teching are your friends. di up when hit by an arial, and di away or down when thrown, then tech away. Ganon can out range sheik on the ground and in the air, so use ranged attacks, such as fair, uair, ftilt. use those ranged attacks to combo into throws and huge combos. i pulled out the following combo on my friend when i was at 230+%: shffl dair, dtilt, a, ftilt, fsmash, wd to fwd b, bair/uair, fair comboes to 100 and kills, plus it is plausible. if you want to know how to play ganon to his fullest, watch triforce of power. i will get that up in a couple of minutes.
*goes to rapidshare and edits post*
here it is: http://rapidshare.de/files/7787418/Triforce_of_Power.mpg.html

[GanonPWN!]

i appreciate all the help, i played a shiek and beat him grats to me :)