View Full Version : Doc vrs. Samus.
Uncle Meat
12-12-2005, 06:27 PM
What's a good way to beat a Samus with Doc? I don't really have any specific problems, she's just overall hard to beat for me.
Travesty
12-12-2005, 06:57 PM
When I play my friend's samus I just cape and pill a lot to combat her projectiles and when I get close I dodge around until I get an opening to throw. I dodge roll behind a lot, that gets her spinning around trying to fend me off. If she's high percentage I just Dsmash behind her. Most of Samus's attacks aren't very quick so it's relatively easy to do this. My friend isn't the best at samus though so, this might not work for ya.
Uncle Meat
12-12-2005, 10:31 PM
Yeah, rolling doesn't seem to work on him too well, as he WDs back and dtilts me or some equivalent.
supermariopro101
12-24-2005, 03:05 PM
I wouldn't advise using your cape as it has a huge amount of lag time. Samus can just come right back with a dsmash to send you flying. Stay grounded until you can get samus in the air. If she's in the air she can't use her dair as you can see it coming. Use the uair to juggle her a couple of times until you rack up the damge along with l cancels. Also watch out for her
missle cancels as they can be trouble for you. Don't try to many smash attzcks as she can crouchcancel a lot of your moves. Your best bet is to get her in the air for some uair.
Rob_Gambino
12-24-2005, 04:31 PM
This is a really hard matchup. This may sound like common sense, but do not get hit off the edge, your lack of a horizontal recovery kills you. You become very easy to edgeguard. Obviously, cape all of the projectiles. Get samus above you and start comboing. Throw pills to mess up her bombs when she tries to recover; you can sometimes jump off the edge for a b-air and jump back on.
Pills cancel missles, capes reflect charged shots. You both are CC whores. Bair is extremely useful against Samus, because it hits away too far for a sex kick counter. Pills + cape and fsmashes to edgeguard. Really you do take Samus on well in the air. In fact... on the ground too. You can't play a defensive Doc. You have to stay up in Samus' face. Launch her and juggle into a fair. Remember though, don't rush in too hard lest you be pillar'd with bombs.
I think Samus in general gives everyone a "bad match up" because she has so many options of playstyle. Her projectiles really hurt alot of characters if you don't know how to deal with them, and she can live to amazing %s. She has a great CCC which is also a laucher, and she has a decent meteor spike.
Though I don't think this is one of Doc's worse matchups in all fairness. With practice you can really shutdown her projectiles and kill her off the top faster than most characters can off the sides because of fair. Just play a cautious offensive battle and you should be okay. Don't roll for grabs. Downsmash if she is close enough. Shuffl'd bairs. If there is a small gap between you two dashdance into range of her dtilt/fsmash and punish the lag. All in all you have as many options as she does. Uairs are great against her, she doesn't have much to retaliate.
The biggest thing to know is how the Samus plays.
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