Doc's Pill Approach

[Travesty]

Hi, I play Doctor Mario and I was just wondering how you guys approach after pills? Do you SH-pill-land-pill and then just sprint at them? Or do you wavedash? I'm just having trouble getting to them before the pill hit is over.

Also, just to be sure, you can't WD after a SH'd pill, right? I've been trying and it's not working for me.

And one more, after a full jump I still can't wavedash afterwards but I should be able to, I think, should I throw the pill earlier in the jump or what?

Thanks so much in advance.

[maelstrom218]

The standard means of approaching w/Pills is Pill Rushing.

1) Dash (use the initial dashing animation only)
2) Jump (either short hop or full jump)
3) As soon as you leave the ground, fire a Pill as you're rising

And that's the basic part of it. The variety comes about in whether or not you short-hopped/full-jumped, and how you end the Pill Rush.

If you short-hopped:
- simply fastfall it and land--there's not much else you can do

If you full-jumped:
- you can double-jump, then fire another Pill
- you can simply fastfall it and land
- you can fall at normal speed and wavedash out of your fall (landdash)
- you can (if you happen to be on top of the opponent when you Pill Rush) fall normally, then fit in a sex kick right before you land

If you're having trouble following up behind the Pill, then it's probably b/c you're not dashing before you jump. . .if you dash, then the Pill has an almost perpendicular exit angle, meaning it travels less horizontal distance during it's first arc, so you can easily chase behind it. The only other problem that I can think of is that you're not firing the Pill as soon as you leave the ground.

To answer your other questions, no, you can't WD after a SH'd Pill. You should, however, be able to wavedash out of a full-jumped Pill so long as you don't fastfall it too soon. . .it's just a matter of firing the Pill ASAP once you leave the ground.

[Travesty]

Thanks, Maelstrom

[ledjin]

Perhaps a Doc Guide could help, and watching some vids. Overdose is the best you can get to see IMO, from Bob-Money of the DBR team. He´s insane! xD

[Gea]

I don't think Bob accurately shows pillrushes in overdose. I think I have a small clip to give you an idea of one leading to a fair. This one requires no wavedashing at all, but it works sometimes.

However, I advise avoiding the double pilljump (jump. pill, jump, pill) because it requires alot of space and if they manage to get under you, well... Doc doesn't have much defense under him. I find sh-pills much easier for basic setups, especially in a match against a Marth. (just be careful, since he can and will swat them away).

And remember, stagger your pills. It can really eat people alive. Learn spacing is really all I can say.

Also: If there is a chance of it being reflected, sex kick.

Small clip of a pillrush: http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2POI8G3E528EQ0HQGBPCLSNLE7

[KillerPlacebos]

I find that a full jumped pill into a landdash into a simple jab works pretty well against everyone thats not marth... Of course ssbm is a situational game so whatever you think would work in that given situation is best. Sh'ed pill rushes can lead to easy sex kicks or uairs. A receding pill works for spacing, sh them for heavier characters, and full jump for floatier characters that can get over the height of the sh'ed ones. Its very important to rememeber not to rely on pills as a crutch for your doc game. Pills are an intricate part, but spamming them will lead to more and more openings for your opponents.

[U-Dog]

Hi, I play Doctor Mario and I was just wondering how you guys approach after pills? Do you SH-pill-land-pill and then just sprint at them? Or do you wavedash? I'm just having trouble getting to them before the pill hit is over.

Also, just to be sure, you can't WD after a SH'd pill, right? I've been trying and it's not working for me.

And one more, after a full jump I still can't wavedash afterwards but I should be able to, I think, should I throw the pill earlier in the jump or what?

Thanks so much in advance.

well id do a SH-pill
but if u full jump use the pill when ur comin down that way if it hits the opponent then u have a lil delay to attack them

[ledjin]

Yeah u´re right Gea, in that vid he only does it 3 times, at least to be well seen, but it´s not theonly techique someone can learn to improve with Doc. That bair edgeguarding REALLY does the trick, you can see owning Germ using Sheik at very low percentage. Also there are some combos worth trying, and well, veeery nice caping lol... that vid really is worth seeing, but the one you linked is also very good, I assume it´s you rite?

[Gea]

Yeah, it was Tobias as Marth and my Doc screwing around. I edited out a small clip of a pillrush and sent it away. I disagree with using bair to the extend that Bob does, he tends to go on the edge of Doc's ability to make it back and well... Er... If you get nudged back in any way, shape, or form, you're the one dying. Bairs from the ledge are awesome as an edgeguarding tool... I just don't really advise spamming them quite that much.

Though I play entirely different than Bob. So..

[ledjin]

hehe yeah, u´re right about that one, he does takes Doc´s abilities to recover to the edge, and I play differently with Doc, too, as I don´t use THAT much bairs, but when I saw it I was very impressed with the way he (again) takes Doc to the edge, so like u said, it looks flashy but is dangerous. I don´t feel so confident to do it the way Bob does so I have more discretion with bairs, at least for edgeguarding.

[ledjin]

Oh haha I just remembered... I have a vid of myself playing with Doc... it is a VERY lame vid cuz I´m fighting a lvl9, 3 stock, and I actually lost one! jhahaha, it´s embarrassing, and I have an excuse lol, I was just goofing around with my camera, to see if I could make a video of a match, cuz I only had my cybershot and well, it was difficult to put it in place, and the batteries, and the memory stick... hahaha, so I just grabbed it and tried to do a vid but to try out my camera, not to actually make a nice fight (if that was the case, I would have fought a friend). So it´s the only vid I have from myself, and I can´t make any other cuz someone stole my camera! And I don´t have a camcorder or any other thing to do it :( anyways, I just told u that in case u wanted to see it... and laugh at it, cuz it´s not even a good vid hahaha (yet, I don´t want to make people think that´s how I play) At least the music is good :p

[Manu]

I with pill approaches i think its just about switching around. If you continue doing the same approach the figure it out and use that to set you up. My personal favorite is throwing a pill chasing it jumping and either another pill or fair. Mixing those two around are usually enough but sometimes a pull a cape just for laughs.

[great_gonz]

Has anyone tried a full jump pill throw to a back land dash in to another pill throw? I like to do it... I don't really think it does anything other then add something to mix things up, however.

First Post!

[Mud Buddha]

Well, I guess you could say that about a lot of tactics. The first part however, I think gives you can excellent opportunity to gauge how well an opponent reacts to your tactics, because it lets you see what they try and do when they think you're wide open.