Pikachu Vs. Pichu

[Dr.Peabody]

ok because people wouldnt stop spamming my other thread about this, here it is.


PIKACHU Vs. PICHU!!!!

plz support ur oppinion with facts

[Pichu Paizano]

Umm..... Pichu wins?

[Ismael]

I bet Pichu would kick Pikachu's butt. He's so much faster than Pikachu, even though he hurts himself. Hmmmm..... Pichu, hands down! :)

[Tempest 01]

Pichu: Has VERY high knockback with smashes, 2nd-3rd quickest character in game, amazingly good recovery, damages himself, lightest in game, VERY cute, and yellow :lick: .

Pikachu: 3rd-4th quickest character in game, tail spike, larger range, pretty good recovery, still light, and also cute/yellow :chuckle: .

[Dr.Peabody]

it all comes down to speed vs range.

in theory speed > range if range doesnt have the opportunity to attack at all.

personaly after playing pichu i cant go back to pikachu

[Kirbymastr]

Pikachu would SO win. He's not as fast sure, but he's stronger and he doesn't damage himself all the time like Pichu

[Mic_128]

It would depend on the skill of each user. If they have equal skill, Pikachu still has the advantage and would win.

[Dr.Peabody]

It would depend on the skill of each user. If they have equal skill, Pikachu still has the advantage and would win.

i would agree, but to a certain point. at lower levels of skill speed is not too important, but when u get way up there, speed is everything (attack speed and mobility mainly, not neccesairly running speed) in theory pichu could win at these higher levels because of the speed.

[Mic_128]

Pikachu is still fast, and with Pichu's lack of survivability, Pika would win.

[0mega]

Pika would dominate as he just needs to keep pichu away (spark the hell out of him) and if the pichu does get near pika can overpower him even if pichu hits 3 times pika would only need to hit him back once i like those odds so I vote for PIKA

[cF=)]

At the beggining I would say Pichu for 2 begginer users of equal skills, at higher skills I would rather say Pichu because of speed with come in case, but higher then this Pikachu win for sure.

When you get to a certain level, survivability is just the thing that matter most. Even if Pichu do everything to keep off self-damaged attack, he won't be able to spam as much and even with his speed, he can't juggle Pika.

So I'll say that for most people, Pichu wins but at top level, Pikachu kick in.

[Lactopichu]

That's a tough one...

Although I like Pichu more, I would have to say Pika because he can survive at higher damages and does not damage himself: which can add up after a while.

[JesusFreak]

Pikachu is not slower than pichu.

[Tope]

He's slower if you consider 2 frames slower.

Actually if you go by this logic, Pichu is faster than every other character in the game, because everyone else has at least 4 frames of land lag, while Pichu has 2.

Man, if only Pichu didn't die at like 60%

[SuperDoodleMan]

Pikachu is not slower than pichu.

Pichu's up B has much less recovery time when landing

Pichu's landing lag on aerials are all faster

[JesusFreak]

meh, i guess so. but it's not that significant.

[RaptorHawk]

At low levels of play id say pichu might have a slight advantage but once you get to high levels of play Pikachu rapes pichu. The only thing pichu has on pikachu at high levels is the less lag on quick attack. Pichus faster landing lag on aerials is no longer an advantage when playing a pikachu than can L-cancel, making pikachu just as fast.

[Dr.Peabody]

pichu works wonders for pwning n00bs who cant deal with the speed, but any higher level player can handel that.

yes id say that pikachu does have some major advantages, and at same skill level would beat pichu,
but here is my theoritical instance. when u get to a skill level soooo high that speed matters above all else. this is pretty much humanly impossible though -.-"

[Echoist]

Pikachu ownz Pichu. I like Pikachu more beacuse he dosen't hirt himself when using electric attacks. >_>

[SuperRoyario1]

Pika he can easly Chaingrab. And isn't to much slower then Pichu. And Pika is MUCH stronger. Pichu is faster. But Pikachu is bigger so his range is more. And Pika's smash's have better distance and doesn't hurt himself using his attacks. Like Pichu. I think Pika would win at almost anylevel of play.

[FlareBlade]

It´s not really true that Pika got stronger attacks.

[Dr.Peabody]

It´s not really true that Pika got stronger attacks.

most of pika's attacks do more % that pichu's, and usualy more knowback. biggest exception is pichu's fsmash, which has insane knockback if u can hit it right, but it still doesnt do as much % as pika's

[KillerPichu o.O]

At low levels of play id say pichu might have a slight advantage but once you get to high levels of play Pikachu rapes pichu. The only thing pichu has on pikachu at high levels is the less lag on quick attack. Pichus faster landing lag on aerials is no longer an advantage when playing a pikachu than can L-cancel, making pikachu just as fast.

Remember that in higher levels of play, the Pichu player can also L-cancel his aerials, making him faster than an L-canceling Pikachu. It's unfair to the character that one player playing a character has less skill than another.

[RaptorHawk]

Well im not saying that one character has less skill...its just that an L-canceled aerial from Pikachu = an L-canceled aerial from Pichu in reguards to speed.

[KillerPichu o.O]

Err...An L-canceled aerial from Pichu is faster than a L-canceled aerial from Pikachu. Thus the ability to link up attacks at a faster rate than what a Pikachu can do.

[ZachSoup]

While Pichu is faster by 2 (or was it 4?) frames then pika, and at all levels of skill speed is important (especially at higher ones), lets put this advantage into perspective...

Pichu's speed is amazing, but think of how much faster he is then so many other slower charecters that are higher tier or top tier that completely destroy him (statistically). Even think of it in another situation, how often does someone take a slower charecter and find ways to negate faster charecters advantages(i know when i play a ganon with my IC's im a very sad panda...)? So at an average, equal skill level from both players, do you really believe that pichu speed is his trump card when pika is bassicly at the same speed? Moreover, pichu has so many devastating disadvantages that pika just doesn't have. Pichu damages himself for one, and if one tries to tone this down by using non-self dmging moves they limit their arsenal severally while the pika has a full range of similar attacks at his disposal. On top of this, pichu is ko'ed at ridiculous amounts, an aggravation that pika doesn't really have to deal with compared to a pichu. Mic 128 was completely correct, pikachu just has the advantages, and at an equal level of play is more likely to win...this matchup kind of reminds me of a roy vs. marth battle. (ROY HAS FIRE!)

[KillerPichu o.O]

Pichu's speed is not really his most definitive point and does not make it in the top three of the fastest characters. However, he is faster than Pikachu, but that's not really of most importance.

However, his most definitive point is his lessened lag even without L-cancelling which is only 2 frames, (not too sure about the down B) while most characters have four or more. The only character that can match an L-cancelling Pichu in aerial lag speed is Peach with her float cancel. Pichu then has the advantage of linking attacks a lot more effectively than Pikachu, which gives Pichu a distinct edge over Pikachu, who has very few notable chains including chain grabbing fast fallers, which Pichu can do as well just less effectively and an ending point of less damage.

Even if Pichu does damage itself using electrical attack, the forward A, which people tend not to use due to the tendency of more damage ending up into Pichu than onto the opponent, can be used to KO by linking to an Usmash or an Fsmash.

Therefore, Pichu does have some important advantages over a Pikachu as well, because linking up attacks has a very high importance in a game. Pichu might not have a distinct speed advantage, but his lack of lag is definitely apparent in a Pichu v. Pikachu game.

[Cape It]

Yea, Pichu is at the bottom of the tier list for a reason.
Nuff said, Pika wins.

[RaptorHawk]

KillerPichu I understand what your saying, but its like i said before these advantages are only really for low levels of play. Yea Pichu has more room for error because he has less lag, but if the Pikachu can L-cancel well he can do just as much as Pichu. Ive yet to see Pichu do a move out of an aerial that Pikachu cant do. Take your Forward A example. I can do an Usmash or Fsmash out of it with Pikachu as well.

So in the end the only advantages pichu has when it comes to speed is he has more room for error and is less lag for quick attack, but even those in the end are heavily outweighed by Pikachu's advantages over Pichu.

When you add everything up, you'll always get Pikachu>Pichu.

[KillerPichu o.O]

I know that Pikachu is basically better than Pichu.

However, Pichu does have some advantage over Pikachu, which was all that I wanted to explain. He's not totally useless... >.>

[ZachSoup]

Yea, besides...Pichu has goggles~~~~AND THATS AN ADVANTAGE FOR ANY CHARACTER! :)

[Riemann]

I have two things to say about what has been said in this thread. Firstly:

Yea, besides...Pichu has goggles~~~~AND THATS AN ADVANTAGE FOR ANY CHARACTER! :)

No, goggles do NOT give him any advantage whatsoever. Being cute does not help him win. Having two taunts does not make him the best character, and his slow walk does not psych your opponenst out. If you want to argue that Pichu is better than Pika, use logical arguments, don't just spam the thread with nonsesnse like "goggles" or "cutest character."

Secondly, I am a hardcore Pichu player, I have been since the game came out, he is and always has been my favorite character. Some people naturally do well with some characters. For me, that character is Pichu. This makes it difficult for me to see how he is the worst character in the game. After I joined Smashboards, and saw the tier ist, it took me a long time to realize how correct it was. The reason Pichu is the worst character in the game is not that he gets "countered" by every character, in fact, in my opinion, no character truly counters Pichu (wins 3 games to 1.) I believe that every matchup is bad for Pichu, but none are true counters. Yes, this does include the fast-fallers, while Pichu CAN do really well against them, one mistake, and Pichu will be punished quite a bit. Even if he doesn't make that one mistake, the Fox/ Falco/ C.F. can easily destroy Pichu. Pichu's redeeming quality is his speed which is matched/surpassed by the ffers.

While Pichu is at a disadvantage in every matchup, Pika counters and/oir does well against some characters. If nothing else, this alone makes Pika better than Pichu. Even if YOU PERSONALLY play better as Pich as I do, this does not make him better than Pika, this means that you just have natural skill with Pichu and/or you play more with Pichu, NOT THAT HE IS A BETTER CHARACTER.

Please, if you want to make an argument in this topic, make it a logical, well thought out argument about which character is better. I am sick of this "P1CHU H45 2 T4UNT5, H3 15 T3H PWN4G3!!!!!11!!11ONEONESHIFTONE."

[KillerPichu o.O]

I believe most of those posts about cuteness and such are just bits of sarcasm. The noting of most is due to the fact that people sometimes do believe that this is somehow an advantage.

[TaruRDM27]

Pichu is mainly at the bottom cuz of his weight. if you are a good pichu player, then you can work around the use of the most damaging attacks, like Faerial. i usually like to run into my thunders since the actual strike wont hit me

[KillerPichu o.O]

I like f-air, it's so much fun to link up with.

Pichu is also on the bottom, because not only his weight, but his recieval of damage from all eletrical attacks which increases the likelihood that he'll get smacked up, up, and away.

That and he has range problems, most of his moves require his body to attack and the tail based moves are rather short..

[LiveForTheMoment]

I've played with both Pika and Pichu for approximately how long I've been able to use my roommate's GC (about 2 months) and from what I've seen, if you're doing a 1 v 1 (human or computer) Pichu has a better chance of survival than if it's a four person match, and I think that's only because as others have said, it doesn't take much to knock the little guy around, and if multiple characters can do it in succession, Pichu is down a life before you know it. Pika, being heaver, is harder to knock around, just based on what I've seen and tried.

[KillerPichu o.O]

I discovered something rather nasty about Pichu's weight.

If Roy comes up to Pichu and perfectly hits his up-B, Pichu dies at 11%. I learned that the hard way in a free-for-all.

[SonicZeroX]

I discovered something rather nasty about Pichu's weight.

If Roy comes up to Pichu and perfectly hits his up-B, Pichu dies at 11%. I learned that the hard way in a free-for-all.
Actually if Roy does a reverse UpB on Pichu it's an instant KO on all but the stages with the highest of ceilings(but they still have platforms) if Pichu doesn't DI.

[Riemann]

I discovered something rather nasty about Pichu's weight.

If Roy comes up to Pichu and perfectly hits his up-B, Pichu dies at 11%. I learned that the hard way in a free-for-all.

Did you CC and/or DI well? and even nastier than that was when I was tippered dead from the midddle of the boat on rainbow cruise from 0%.

[KillerPichu o.O]

Wasn't able to. I had decided to eat a bag of Lays chips with one of my hands and kinda dropped the controller in surprise when Roy had used his up-B sending Pichu flying XD.