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ViperInstall
10-27-2005, 11:28 AM
I've been have trouble fighting Link with my Doc. I can't seem to get in close for some damage. My friend says that Link's sword gives him an advantage in range. I only have a little bit of a hard time with Marth, Roy, and Young Link. Does anyone have any strategies or help they can lend me?

Cyphus
10-27-2005, 11:54 AM
link can be a tough fight for doc, since he has greater range, priority, recovery(that really can't be edgeguarded easily if the Link knows to mix it up), and projectiles that don't get caped correctly.

unless you cape a bomb with the higher part of the cape, or mid dift...its just going to explode in your fa ce. Caping boomerangs just make them fly backtowards LInk, but over his head..allowing him to throw another boomerang immediatley(while the old one is still around, since it turned into your boomerang)
Link's UpB also rapes doc if he can sneak it inside a combo anywhere by a ledge. Its almost a guaranteed KO at high damage (especially if your trying to DI away from his UpTilts)

But Doc is versatile enough to adapt. Links tend to try to balance their offense and defense, so you have to adapt. If he's spamming...spam back and try to catch bombs and just avoid the boomerang. Look for an opening and pillrush.When your in his face, combos are key. UpThrow, UpTilts, UpSmash spam him death once your under him. D.Throw to F.Smash works at low/mid damage, and D.Throw to DocPunch....sometimes works, depending on their habits. Link can actually Sex kick you before the punch comes out, but most humans try to DJ to avoid an aerial attack and end up eating the fist anyway(if you DJ it)
If the link your playing is good, he prolly shuffles into hookshots. Since he'll be trying tip you with his attacks to avoid shield grab them hook shot you wether you shield or not, from a distance...Cape will be your friend for his low approaches.
IF your stuck in his UpTilts, either mash A, to sex kick out, or DI away, but take note he can pursue your DI since his UpTilt isn't that strong. Be ready to Sex/DJ his B.air, UpB, etc.
If the Link enjoys hook shot recovery...fall off the level and cape him right as he would go for it!
If he predict an UpB, you mightas well go for the edgehog to B.air, but thats still very tough against his UpB.
Pill spam should rape any n00by Link, but Link can easily pass through with his Jab and flying sex kick into your face.

I know i made it sound like Doc gets raped, but thats because Link has many counter-advantages. Doc is still slightly faster and can open Link up for mistakes with careful spam and rushes.

Cyris_P
10-27-2005, 03:31 PM
This fight requires a lot of patience on Doc's end. You'll need to sit back and dodge until an opening presents itself cause if you charge you'll get hacked. Also, there's alot of different links out there, so there's plenty of adjusting necessary depending on the style you're fighting, but I can give a couple universal tips.

If you're against one that still uses their upB in battle like the Link I go against, then FF a Nair on their head during the swing. Or, if you're good, you can sweetspot the tip of Doc's Fair druing the sword spin. Plain old wiating till it's over and then charging is usually the most effective plan of action though.

If Link's in the air, then Doc's Uair can overpower Link's Dair if the timing is right, so make sure to work on that.

When recovering, if you're high up, pill and then fast fall to get to the ledge height by the time the pill gets to link, then upB to nick him while he's stunned. If you're down low, you MUST sweetspot the edge grab. This isn't that hard with Doc and his magnet grip, but you need to be able to grab the ledge from low enough that you don't ger hit by Link's upB.

Edgeguarding Link with Doc is a little tricky compared to most characters. It's a matter of knowing what they're gonna do. Bairs are naturally the best choice for the KO, but Link needs to be fairly far from the edge or he'll upB, and destroy Doc. If Link's close to the edge, then hop and shorthop on the edge of the level and pill till you get a good enough stall that you can platform dash off the level to Nair or Bair, then jump back to edgehog.

FireEmblem81387
10-28-2005, 12:35 AM
It is hard to play against a character who has longer reach, based on attacks, etc. Here are some tips in a match-up between Doc and Link:

1) When you attack and Link shields, expect that Link will try to grab you so side-dodge. If you successfully done so, either perform a smash attack and charge all the way or grab!

2) When Link uses projectiles, use the cape. It does work against the boomerang and bow and arrow really well, but not on the bomb for some reason. Shield against the bomb.

3) You have to be quick. I mean when you have Dr. Mario jump and do something, have him drop fast to the ground and do something again. (whatever)

4) Grab! Grab is good! Dr. Mario and Mario have really good grabs, specifically when he spins them and throws them, especially at a high percentage. Keep this in mind. If you have the opportunity to grab, do it no matter what! I'd also grab to do combos..

5) When Link tries to get back on the stage by using the hookshot on the lower part, be a risk-taker and use the cape and Link'll flip around and fall! Practice this is you haven't done so. This is really useful!

Banks
11-06-2005, 11:30 AM
Spot dodge the hookshot for EXTREME PUNISHMENT wooo!

also set yourself up for a fair when he is recovering. It can ususally be done no matter how he recovers as long as you space yourself right.

Ring My Bell
11-07-2005, 09:07 PM
Keep in mind that Link is an average faller. Doc Mario's famous for downthrowing him into a up tilt uppercut, into a up smash, followed finally by an upwards cresent kick. Get close to link and he's butta'.

KiRbY_8o8
11-18-2005, 12:36 AM
i have no say over any off these guys but i find that if your at stand off then it is alittle bit easier if you do his dash attack(the one when he slides) that gets them in the air and depending on the damage you can fallow up with some usmashs or something but yeah thats just me

Bob Money
11-19-2005, 12:05 AM
cyphus is right again.
but seriuosly icomboing link is not easy as it looks. links sex kick is too good it stuffs up tilt and everything
Sex kick even stops pills at any frame of the kicks animation. link destoys docs recovery
Edgegaurding link consists of...ONE INVINCIBLE BACK air or Cape hooks shot CC Up B(hardly works)
not easy tho lots of other things too.
chain throw downthorw
dont spam smashes easy shield grab for link.