Kirby matchup discusion

[Dr.Peabody]

i havent seen one of these for kirby yet, so im starting one

ive only have had the privelige to play agaisnt comps, so profesional oppinion would be nice

kirby seems to be good agaisnt fast fallers like fox, falco, and c.falcon (at least comps)... fox and falco r way too eay to intersept with a dair while they r recovering

kirby has probs with any swordsman, especialy marth, (maybe not soo much y.link though)
also probs with samus :mad:

he has a bit of a hard time with ness and jiggy too it seems

most everyone else kirby does ok with

(plz dont flame me if im totaly wrong on something cause i havent realy played anyone good, ecxept at one mlg, and i wasnt using kirby then :cry: )

[mOi]

Kirby isn't the fastest character in the game, so I like to play against slow and big characters. Kirby isn't my best character (I play him for fun) but I can really annoy enemys by doing down-a's on them and hammering him in air.

I don't like to fight really fast characters like sheik, fox and c. falcon.

[Gimpyfish62]

Samus is a horrible matchup for poor kirby...

Kirby doesn't like projectiles, and on top of that, samus can CC like EVERY attack you do until like 75%, getting in dsmashes and dtilts... Also, Kirby lacks a solid upward killing move, Samus can recover from that bair FOREVER.

Sure, you can cancel out missiles with yoru bair or with your fair occasionally, but samus has got a lot going for her. You cant duck under a lot of samus' attacks, which can get pretty freakin annoying.

You just gotta go for it though like in almost every other match, just let kirby do what he does best! combo in the air, and stay away from juggles...

By the way...

100th post! BOOYA!

[Dr.Peabody]

[QUOTE=Gimpyfish62]
Also, Kirby lacks a solid upward killing move, Samus can recover from that bair FOREVER.
[QUOTE]

kirby's usmash and uair r good upward killing moves :D

instead of a bair use a uair or a dair instead

and i do have to agree, kirby does have a problem with samus

[nitro-blazer]

kirby's usmash and uair r good upward killing moves :D

instead of a bair use a uair or a dair instead

and i do have to agree, kirby does have a problem with samus

Well, U-air isn't a verticaal kill ,move, it knocks them horizontally, adn the U-smash is insane hard to hit with.

Problems? Ness and Game and watch are also troublesome.

Sheik is actually not that bad, and i find Ganon of C. Falcon to be "Medium". In my expiriences, Faastfallers aren't bad if you can get combos off well.

[Gimpyfish62]

i said lacks a 'solid upward killing move' key word being solid, like nitro said, uair isn't vertical and usmash is difficult to land.

sorry for the confusion

[Da illest]

Kirby goes well against fox.Kirby my least favorite but ive beating fox with him.Just like i always say, everyoen seems to play wit fox so maybe im just immune to beating em.I PLAY WIT FOX 2 >=)

[Dr.Peabody]

Well, U-air isn't a verticaal kill ,move, it knocks them horizontally, adn the U-smash is insane hard to hit with.

Problems? Ness and Game and watch are also troublesome.

Sheik is actually not that bad, and i find Ganon of C. Falcon to be "Medium". In my expiriences, Faastfallers aren't bad if you can get combos off well.


for me it seems the uair kills more often verticaly than horizontaly -.-" o well

kirby can out range sheik with tilts, making it hard for shiek to do anytrhing on the ground

for ganon and falcon..... thats a bit wierd... kirby can duck under most ground attacks... but if u just charge with kirby u r going to get beat down by power and range... so with these 2 its an easy win if u play smart, otherwise >_<

(add on)
for IC's... hmmm... well ive only played agaisnt a comp IC, and havnt had much trouble (in comparison to other comps, no comp is realy much trouble -.-") kirby has about the same range with his tilts as the IC's, but that darned fsmash is a killer (from IC)
my advise (if u realy want it that bad) divide and conquere >:P

[mOi]

Samus is defenetly one of Kirbys worst matchup, I fight a lot against a friend who's playing many different characters. I only seem to lose against his Samus and Peach (hate Peaches down-b).

[Dr.Peabody]

samus = death for poor kirby...
but... samus also has one of the best hats to take >:P

[nitro-blazer]

Maybe you should change the thread name to Kirby matchup discussion or something. I dunno, because best/worst only makes people talk about hte extremes, nothing in the middle.

Anyway, my brother plays Roy, only for the Red hair factor, but i;ve found its much easier to beat him in the air than on the ground, which means i try combo him INTO the U-tilt, seeing as the U-tilt rane is at Roy's sweetspot IIRC.

[Dr.Peabody]

Maybe you should change the thread name to Kirby matchup discussion or something. I dunno, because best/worst only makes people talk about hte extremes, nothing in the middle.

Anyway, my brother plays Roy, only for the Red hair factor, but i;ve found its much easier to beat him in the air than on the ground, which means i try combo him INTO the U-tilt, seeing as the U-tilt rane is at Roy's sweetspot IIRC.

i also have a bro who plays roy (hes only 7 so he isnt that good though -.-")
whenever i try to aproach him on the ground all he does is start spamming fsmashes , in which case i wavedash back and grab him or start spamming final cutter
but agaisnt a pro this wouldnt work as well
the swords make it hard for poor kirby :urg:

(btw, how do i change thread name?)

[nitro-blazer]

To change the thread name you edit the first post, and change the "Title", which is above the main message box.

[Dr.Peabody]

thx :)
that better?

[Hark21Ball]

Samus is a horrible matchup for poor kirby...

Kirby doesn't like projectiles, and on top of that, samus can CC like EVERY attack you do until like 75%, getting in dsmashes and dtilts... Also, Kirby lacks a solid upward killing move, Samus can recover from that bair FOREVER.

Sure, you can cancel out missiles with yoru bair or with your fair occasionally, but samus has got a lot going for her. You cant duck under a lot of samus' attacks, which can get pretty freakin annoying.

You just gotta go for it though like in almost every other match, just let kirby do what he does best! combo in the air, and stay away from juggles...

By the way...

100th post! BOOYA!

Ya Samus is a real pain for Kirby. Marth has the insane reach that destroys Kirby.

[Reik]

he has a bit of a hard time with ness

I've heard a bunch of people say this, but I've never heard it discussed in detail. My main is Ness, but I also play Kirby as a secondary.

Could someone explain why Kirby has a hard time with Ness? I always thought that matchup was even.

[nitro-blazer]

I've heard a bunch of people say this, but I've never heard it discussed in detail. My main is Ness, but I also play Kirby as a secondary.

Could someone explain why Kirby has a hard time with Ness? I always thought that matchup was even.

The bat is one reason For sure. Ness can also use the throws to get kills easily as Kirby is light. In the air, Ness's Fair messes Kirby up real nicelike, and the Bair hurts too.

However, Ness is so easy to edgegaurd (IMO) it isn't funny. Also, Kirby's tilts can mess up the ground game, but place him for a nice tipper bat.

[Dr.Peabody]

Also ness's general floatyness messes up kirby a bit

nitro on ur guide u said g&w is very hard for kirby... i dont think this is the case
(at least for comps) g&w is one of the easiest chars for kirby
even though g&w has some airiel range over kirby, he is alot slower than kiby,
on the ground range is about the same, but kirby still has the speed

[nitro-blazer]

Also ness's general floatyness messes up kirby a bit

nitro on ur guide u said g&w is very hard for kirby... i dont think this is the case
(at least for comps) g&w is one of the easiest chars for kirby
even though g&w has some airiel range over kirby, he is alot slower than kiby,
on the ground range is about the same, but kirby still has the speed

Comp's play differently, but anyway.

The U-throw to Nair is effective against kirby, the Nair being G&W's prime killer. His Aerial range hurts kirby, as does all the disjointed hitboxes. The D-tilt screws CCing as well.

[DeathscytheHello]

Yeah. As a general rule, don't compare computer players when we speak about actual players.

[Dr.Peabody]

its not that im comparing comps to humans (yes i do know beter) , its just that i know how g&w works, and realy kirby has the advantage here

[Omnigamer]

Umm... then why are you insisting that you know the ins and outs of G&W if you have no human evidence to back it up?

Kirby definitely does not like that match. At all.

[DeathscytheHello]

Yeah... Dr., your last statement makes no sense... I'd much rather believe Omni or Nitro on character match-ups. As for myself, I can't really give out thoughts because I don't have experience fighting different people as those characters.

[Gimpyfish62]

how is htat NOT a bad matchup? hes almost ALL disjointed hitboxes, he can CC into dtilt till high % and get easy kills that way, he has higher priority, hes floaty(er) so its a little hard to get some combos going... he can throw into the parachute for soem easy kills...

Best thing about this matchup for kirby IMO is when you copy him... not for the skill, but because kirby looks freakin awesome when he copies GW.

[Dr.Peabody]

pah. no need to flame me over this -.-"

id like to see some kirby v gaw vids though

[Gimpyfish62]

haha i didn't mean to flame sorry, but cmon.. its a horrible matchup, i've never played a GaW worth ANYTHING so they've all been easy matches but I know a lot about (most) matchups in theory haha

i'm all about the theories... ask the bowser pros haha they will tell you ITS TRUE

[Dr.Peabody]

yes in theory gaw would counter kirby, but i have yet to see this in practice, and in my experience, kirby still wins

[Dr.Peabody]

Sorry for double post, but the last one was a while ago, and this is for something completely different.

i was playin around with kirby a bit, then i noticed something. kirby has a reletively good chance agaisnt any char. (some chars are diffenently hard, but kirby CAN win if played right)

i had a chance to play against a decent samus (not great), and also a chance to play against a kirby as samus. i found that the best way to aproach samus is in the air. she has no good ground attacks that r fast and strong enough to stop much. even though the kirby wasnt to good, the airiel advance was very anoying ( i still won though -.-")

the thing u have to watch out for with this is the jump to nair. blasted sex kicks HURT! :mad:
come from directly above samus or directly below (if in air) and kirby should have a fighting chance. also copying that charge shot would be nice :chuckle:

[g-regulate]

stop being dumb
youve obviously never played a good g&w with kirby cause he really has no chance

[superryan]

yes in theory gaw would counter kirby, but i have yet to see this in practice, and in my experience, kirby still wins

Your only 'experience' is computers, as you pointed out earlier.

[Dr.Peabody]

Y DO PEOPLE KEEP THROWING OUT WHAT I SAY!!! U GUYS KNOW NOTHING OF MY EXPERIENCE!!!! i garunte u i have enough experience to know what i am talking about. i have supported what i have said with FACTS. y dont u guys pull up some vids or something

a GOOD gaw v a GOOD kirby would be greatly appreciated.

[DeathscytheHello]

We can see your actual experience by what you say! That's why their throwing it out! You say you know how G & W works. But then you say that Kirby still has the advantage. Now, people who actually know what they're talking about say the exact opposite.

[Buttcrust]

What your saying makes no sense. It doesn't work against people. It's all been tried. And, just fyi, facts can be incorrect. A fact is merely a statement that is not an opinion. Facts can be right or wrong. Your "FACTS" are of the incorrect type. The reason for the lack of vids is, well there are several. 1) Kirby isn't played much so there aren't many vids of him. Same goes for G+W. So the chances of a Kirby/G+W are slim to none. 2) Get on the hub. If you want the vids, find them yourself. There are few good ones on the internet. Most are on the hub. There is a sticky thread on how to do everything. Look it up. 3) Quit being a jerk. If everyone is saying you're wrong,then you are wrong, especially when it is character match-ups. That's the one thing that is pretty definite here. Everyone knows which match-ups favor whom.

[JesusFreak]

G&W is hard for Kirby. :ohwell:

[kirbstir]

You know who's hard for kirby?

Peach

Kirby too

[JesusFreak]

True that.

[Dr.Peabody]

im not the one being a jerk. and no, facts are something that has been proven true.

i never said kirby counters gaw or anything like that. just that kirby has some advantages over gaw. this is a DISCUSION!! NOT A FLAME FEST!!!! plus realy there is no point in discusing anything if there is no opposition. i know perfectly well how this matchup works. maybe im just trying to play the devil's advacate here and trying to get a discusion going so the forum isnt DEAD!!! u ever think of that!? u do not know me, u have no right to pass on judgement to me

[Buttcrust]

im not the one being a jerk. and no, facts are something that has been proven true. Not true, look it up. EDIT: Here, it talks about incorrect facts. This is a real, legit site. It's for workers that are unjustly fired I believe. http://www.tiger.gov.uk/flexible/employer/incorrect_facts.htm

plus realy there is no point in discusing anything if there is no opposition. Information, which is what I thought this thread was seeking. i know perfectly well how this matchup works. maybe im just trying to play the devil's advacate here and trying to get a discusion going so the forum isnt DEAD!!! u ever think of that!? u do not know me, u have no right to pass on judgement to me
It's pretty clear from your post at the top of this page that you're not playing devil's advocate. Also, you apparently don't know how this match-up works, at least not to much of it. You are the only one saying it's not a bad match for Kirby. When did I pass judgement on you? When I said "quit being a jerk." That's not calling you a jerk but just saying stop acting like one. Please.

[DeathscytheHello]

Alright, if you know this match so well, Dr. Peabody, then tell me what exact advantages Kirby has over Game and Watch. Also, explain why these advantages "give Kirby the edge". As in, explain why these are better than G & W's advantages.

And Buttcrust, I don't care if the actual word of "fact" means something that can be proven, I (and probably every other person in the world) will still regard it as a thing already proven.

[Dr.Peabody]

kirby's advantages :
speed in most cases. specificaly start up time for attacks. recovery. slightly more range on ground. am i wrong on any of these!?

GaW's: airiel range. power. low wind-down lag. am i wrong on these either?

both ways they can kill each other at relativily low %. as low as 90% easily.

GaW's airiels can hurt kirby bad... sh to fair or bair etc. a nair can hurt a recovering kirby too. dair aint too bad either. the dtilts and u tilts also hurt kirby a bit on the ground.
however with gaw's fair, if he misses with the big hit hes not going to do much damage, but he could still shield cancel to a throw or tilt.

since gaw is a bit slow on attacks, hes not too hard to jugle, but the floatyness alows him to recover easier.

its not imposible for kirby, but still very hard