Roy help v. C-Falcon?

[UBSmashPrez]

Going up against a really good, really fast Falcon player with my roy. He likes to combo things into knee a lot, he also does this combo with down-air it hits me, then he hits me with it like 6 times in a row each time as I get up. Is there a way around that? How about some general roy strategies against a fast captain falcon?

[Umbreon]

bring him down here and I'll show you how it's done.

[Rebel581]

Normal combos against fast fallers and avoid the knee. Have a fun time even thought that probably helped you not at all ^_^

[Rip]

HAHA

Roy vs C Falcon? Forget it. Marth has to be perfect to beat a Cfalcon. He has to space is attacks etc. Don't think you can beat him with that Roy of you.

[Fiery_Phoenix]

HAHA

Roy vs C Falcon? Forget it. Marth has to be perfect to beat a Cfalcon. He has to space is attacks etc. Don't think you can beat him with that Roy of you.
not true. a good roy player can beat a good falcon player, he just has to b good at mindgames, and no wat he's doin (of course). with the d-air, just DI away from it, l cancel it, or shield roll as soon as u get up. it could b difficult to get close enough to get in any good combos. if he likes to use falcon punch, try to counter it whenever possible. it will do a ggod amount of damage to falcon. try to stay out of the air, on account of roys terrible air game. falcon is very good on the ground, so ur going to hav to play smart. i hope this helps :)

[stuntcuum3571]

Falcon is predictable. He has no ground game outside of grabs. Spacing is key, as falcon's appraoch is based on his speed and amazing aerial lateral movement. CC Nair's into Dtilts, which can lead to DED, Fsmash, or another Dtilt. Edgeguarding is key. Just get him off the edge and keep him off.

[Falcomaster16]

C.Falcon is really strong so use his strength to your advantage by using counter. If Falcon uses falcon punch just hit down B before he hits you. It will do alot of damage to him.

[Rebel581]

C.Falcon is really strong so use his strength to your advantage by using counter. If Falcon uses falcon punch just hit down B before he hits you. It will do alot of damage to him.
That's the WORST advice I've EVER heard. And I've heard some pretty crappy advice.

[En.Ee.Oh]

lol... no. cfalcon rapes roy, none of you know wtf you're talking about

[NJzFinest]

lol... no. cfalcon rapes roy, none of you know wtf you're talking about
idk about that. cfalcon does have an advantage, but, he's a fast faller...he's comboed easier for roy when compared to most of the other characters. maybe you should dont know roy's full potential...or...you suck with roy...or your a cfalcon player who loves to use him :ohwell:

[En.Ee.Oh]

im NEO you ****ING idiot.. im banning you on the hub just for being annoying and pretending you're a roy player after seeing mine

[Kadiev]

lol foxandfalco I bet you 100 dollars that Neo will rape you with roy.

[MookieRah]

****it, i just made a post but I wasn't logged in and mispelled my password and thusly was destroyed.

Anyways to recap what was destroyed.

As stated above, that is NEO you dissed on. You might want to learn who is who in the neighborhood to prevent embarassing moments like this.

CF, while I don't believe is a Roy counter, can totally mess up Roy. He is easily comboed into knees and it provides easy, and potentialy early KOs.

Roy can combo CF, but has a much harder time getting in kills. DED in particular can be tied in to pretty much anything. You can also upthrow to fsmash and dtilt to fsmash at low percent, but DI can make that hard depending on how close you are to CF when you dtilted him.

Roy can tech chase Falcon fairly well. Pay close attention to where he rolls. Take note if he techs to stand from a back throw. A tech to stand from a bthrow is a free fsmash if you time it right.

An easy kill trick I use is fthrow from edge at moderate % > flare blade. It works wonders.

I *think* that covers what I said.

[Erasmo]

Basically, Roy begin combos with the D-Tilt, but don't use it too much in a battle vs. C.Falcon, because he hang consistently in the air, and if you fail the D-Tilt, you'll don't see when the knee has alredy in your face.

The best way is to use F-Tilt, of course use the D-Tilt but only if you are sure that you'll don't fail.

Also, you know that C.Falcon game is in the air right, then fight up fire vs. fire, keep doing Fairs when he comes to you.

[Rebel581]

idk about that. cfalcon does have an advantage, but, he's a fast faller...he's comboed easier for roy when compared to most of the other characters. maybe you should dont know roy's full potential...or...you suck with roy...or your a cfalcon player who loves to use him :ohwell:
LOL! You don't say "you suck with roy" to NEO. You just don't. He practically wrote the book on Roy.

[Shade_]

Try attacking Captain falcon, while he is in the middle of getting his down A, Knee, or any of his smashes, since they all take a second to charge, and Roy's attacks are pretty immideate.

Also because of this, it is easier to see them coming, so counter once in a while.

Hope it helped.

[Da illest]

nice shade.But i dunno how anyone could have a problem with falcons slooooooooow moves u should counter him with almsot anyone.

[Glide]

lol Roy gets owned pretty hard by Falcon =P

Roy even has trouble edge-guarding due to crappy tippers, and this is against FALCON. Possibly the easiest edgeguard in the game. Sure, he has d-tilt combo into gay, but seriously... Falcon has the any aerial into knee combo =/

[six]

Roy against cfalc? Switch characters or get used to "HUUUUUURRRAAH!" (or whatever victory pose your opponent happens to like)

[AngeloBangelo]

nice shade.But i dunno how anyone could have a problem with falcons slooooooooow moves u should counter him with almsot anyone.

What are you talking about? Falcon's aerials have frame count of lag that are all in the single digits with L-cancel with the exception of stomp (But stomps are less useful against Roy compared to FFers which is when I use them more often). Roy can definitely combo Falcon and set up well for Fsmash, but it still lies in Falcon's favor. I think this just because... Falcon can combo Roy easier than the vice versa.

Then again, I've never played a good Roy... Just 5150's Roy. OH SNAP!
Just kidding Rick, you're gosu.

[Nexis]

A fast falcon would be too much for Roy unless you the roy is able to dodge a lot and wait for an opening. If they roy just goes head on, the roy will surely lose. Comboed into the knee and will be flown off.

Remember to WD out of things and sidestep

[Oranjoose]

I really have a hard time believing this. How can anyone say CFalc is a problem for Roy. Wtf, Roy PWNS CF hard. Omg, dtilit, fsmash, he's done. It is one of the easiest things ever to edgeguard Falcon. If he's hopping around psycho (like any good CF will do) with shffls, just DED him when he goes for an attack. But seriously, once you've got CF in a grab, he's done.
Completely imbalanced fight.

[six]

I really have a hard time believing this. How can anyone say CFalc is a problem for Roy. Wtf, Roy PWNS CF hard. Omg, dtilit, fsmash, he's done. It is one of the easiest things ever to edgeguard Falcon. If he's hopping around psycho (like any good CF will do) with shffls, just DED him when he goes for an attack. But seriously, once you've got CF in a grab, he's done.
Completely imbalanced fight.

funniest post on the roy forum

[walk skyluker]

I don't know much, but if he uses his b over and b down a lot then if you have good timing you can hit him out of it with your over a smash. It also helps to use your counter attack. You have to be careful with your counter attack, you mess up and the opponent has time to get a good hit on you. But if you get it right you could counter bounce him off the edge.

[DA_RAIN]

counter is bad because the grab kills roy, not the attacks. grab at any % less than like 100 is a dead roy. you can't even camp him cause roy has no projectiles, and falcon's dash is better.

completely one sided.

[Glide]

BTW: D-tilt f-smash isn't as foolproof as people think. Remember: Every forward smash isn't a kill. Edge-guards aren't always guaranteed.

[Sir Roy]

Some newbie dissed Neo. That is quite funny. Hah!

Anyway..this fight is difficult..but for adamant Roy Users..haven't we all heard this before?

To win this fight effectively, you've gotta mind game the hell out of him. Avoid the knee at all costs. Unless your good. Then counter it. Since most aren't and good C.F players mix it up, I wouldn't advise it. Marth has a bigger weakness here (That I've been told) but since most C.F players don't fight Roy's..well..element of surprise on his ***?