What is Bowser's most useful attack

[FireKP1]

Here's what I wan't to know. Which one of Bowser's attacks do you think is the most useful

[Kevvviiinnn]

I love the 'Fortress, it starts quick, and works as an escape from harm by hitting the opponent with the initial strike. It could also be used to escape. I short-hop and 'Fortress to get away from the opponent because it has less lag in the ending animation. The Knuckle (f-tilt) is a great edge-guarding tactic, not to mention it's quick startup and nice knockback. The f-air also has decent knockback and comes out quickly. U-tilt comes out surprisingly fast and has been known to KO in the 70%'s. Pick one. Any one.

[MagnuM]

The Whirling Fortress is what makes Bowser actually playable. It is his best move by a longshot.

[FireKP1]

Oh if you wan't my opinion. Without Bowser's Forretress he wouldn't even be playable.

[FireKP1]

Oh if you wan't my opinion. Without Bowser's Forretress he wouldn't even be playable.





GO KIM POSSIBLE

[Kevvviiinnn]

^ Agreed

In many situations, Bowser's 'Fortress is used as a last resort. Since most of Bowser's move have a lot of lag, the 'Fortress makes Bowser actually playable.

[Cuzizkool]

I'm not a Bowser fan, but I find that I can get quite a few KO's when I do his version of a ground pound.

[Kevvviiinnn]

The Bowser Bomb has too much lag to be used effectively. An effective use of it would be for edge-guarding or to drop on to a ledge. If you're lucky you might catch your opponent by surprise...

Man I wish the Bowser Bomb could be l-cancelled...

[Armygeddon Bomb]

I think Bowser's most useful attack is the claw attack (press > B). It can be a grab attack, it's quick and it can stun opponents for a moment.

Too bad Giga Bowser cannot be played. Unless you have an Action Replay.

[pronstarpwnzor]

I'm not a Bowser fan, but I find that I can get quite a few KO's when I do his version of a ground pound.

ROFL

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[MLRS]

IMO, his fsmash is incredibly good. without it bowser would definitely be bottom tier.

[Kevvviiinnn]

I think he is bottom tier. F-smash is strong, but a bit on the slow side. It would probably be best to use it as a surprise attack or an edge-guarding technique. Koopa Knuckle(f-tilt) works best for me for edge-guarding.

[Shadowfox025]

i dont think the ground pound would work well because it is noticeble and easy to dodge. Another attack the is well is stomp. THat would work well at times, but the fortress is good at knocking multiple opponents.

[Kevvviiinnn]

Even if you do hit the opponent with the Bowser Bomb, it could leave you wide open for some combos. Unless of course they die.

[Titanium Dragon]

His best attack is, by far, the fortress. Invincibility frames, fast, very good at clanking other moves, great mobility, hard to edgeguard against, and a good way of escaping combos - it is pretty much his best move, and I use it sometimes in combos (two hits is a combo, honest...) or to rack up damage by dragging them up into the air and dishing out a lot of damage to them.

His second best attack is probably his fair, though his bair is pretty nice as well. The Koopa Claw also is good and makes shieldgrabbing against Bowser a very bad idea - if you mix up fairs and Koopa Claws, your opponent will learn not to shieldgrab you because the claw's backthrow can KO you at low percentages and bites will rack up the damage. His fsmash is a great KO device if you can get your opponent to fall into it - it can be pretty nice for edgeguarding or if your opponent screws up in the air and/or is stunned and you can pull it off on them. His dsmash is also pretty good for edgeguarding, and his usmash has incredible priority against attacks from above - I've even knocked dairing Links out of their move with proper timing and placement.

[DOG!]

Agreed with Titanium. Fortress... invincibility frames, a like.. what? 4 frame start? Constant attacks with decent priority, it moves, has lift, it's actually a decent recovery.. not good.. but decent.

Fair is good when shuffled. The Fsmash has a kind of half dodge to it that is annoying.

But without the fortess bowser would be below the title of 'worst character in the game'.

[Nightmare KoRn Kid]

Bowser N air... lol no on ever says it but honestly, it's pretty gtreat for bowser you see it taps them away enoguth that most characters aerial range is exceeded so they can't hit you, once you land if you L cancel it the lag isnt too punishable, and you can break up the action with it, and bowser needs some room sometimes

Over all thought my cousin uses bowser a lot, and he's brought my attention to bowser grounded game, when he connect with a D smash, he up smashh links it, no problem, and from there it's easy to throw in yet another up smash. Even though bowser is very slow, if the player can make once down smash connect, at slightly lower percentages he can make a good couple of smashes connect, and rack up a lot of damage.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

first off 5150 you are a newb, 2nd off obviously mlrs is joking :P have a good day sir.

[Gimpyfish62]

fmsmash worst move? yeah right, dair... think of a situation where dair is your best move to use... you can't do it. you know why? because that move is rubbish.

Fsmash may not be a GOOD move, but it has situational uses...

WHY IS THIS EVEN A TOPIC!

FORTRESS IS BY FAR THE BEST BOWSER MOVE!

ITS THE 2ND BEST MOVE IN THE GAME NEXT TO A WELL USED SHINE!

COME ON!

High priority, high damage (air), high maneuverability, High knockback (ground), low lag, low startup time....

Its pretty much amazing. Without it bowser is t3h suxx0rz... with it hes not that great haha, but hes WAY better with it than without it!

[CAOTIC]

How is the Koopa Klaw a mere 'Honourable mention" - It pwns uair.

[Eastlitree]

Forward air when l-cancelled is too good. I managed to kill Jasona's Samus with it once, whereas without Fair I would've gotten like four stocked because my Bowser sucks. I get all my kills with Forward air, Cape and Nightmare know of my Fair pwnage. :chuckle:

Okay Cape three stocked me in a ditto but I still out cheaped him with it. >_>

[AngeloBangelo]

5150... You have like 40 posts. You are in no position to call people n00bs and disrespect them like that. Anyway... Fortress has my vote.

[MagnuM]

You can't judge by post count, but you can usually sense when somebody knows what they are talking about and when they don't.

[TheRedMarth]

Ok, enough flaming. Bowsers F-smash is BY FAR his worst move and if you see a bowser who actually uses it(not on accident or as a joke) then he is a nub.

5150, you are a moron. I have seen many luke video's as well as several other Bowser players, and it does get used. While the headbutt is circumstantial, it is not useless.

Second or all, we all know that bowsers worst move by far is dair, it just is. Don't confuse yourself.

But yeah, if I'm casting my vote, I'm going to say Fortress. However, it is closely tailed by nair. I'm saying that only based on the moves versatility and speed. Nair is a nice, defensive, high priority move with a wide hitbox and long duration. It also rocks all space animal recovery.

Again, I only list Nair because its a versatile defensive move. Bowser isn't a defensive character but inevitably with Bowser vs. some of the faster characters you can get a little overrun. Nair and the fortress are Bowsers "Oh ****!" moves.

P.S. Magnum, do I sound like I know what I'm talking about? :) I always wonder if I'm like the special ed kid of the Bowser board.

P.S.S. Gimpyfish, sorry for repeating all your points, I just read them after I posted this.

[Gimpyfish62]

haha its cool man, glad we are on the same page!

btw... though i may disagree that nair competes with fortress in ANY manner at all i do agree with what you said about it, being a great defensive move, a rarity for bowser.

That move however normally isn't your 'best move' to do at any given moment, sure its a 'good' move... but a fair or a bair or something is normally gonna work out better for you you know?

Just throwing that out there.


EDIT: emphasizing the word NORMALLY, i'm not saying the move is NEVER your best bet, just NORMALLY is not.

[TheRedMarth]

I hear ya Gimpy. I generally use it on fast fallers that like to jump all over a shielding Bowser. I understand that I could just wait for them to land next to me and the Fortress, but as a matter of preference I take the nair about 25% of the time. If it's SHFFLD it is a safe manuver.

I'll never say it's better than the fortress for defense. It's not better than an Fair in any percentage, or knockback category, and it doesn't quite beat the tilt's for speedy manuvers. It could be a silly style thingy, but I enjoy it. :)

[MagnuM]

P.S. Magnum, do I sound like I know what I'm talking about? :) I always wonder if I'm like the special ed kid of the Bowser board.


Whether you do or not, I wouldn't care because you play the same two characters I do and you have a kickass signature!

And yes, I have always noticed that you definately know what you are talking about and I'd imagine you have a pretty mean Bowser!

[SonicDude62]

I thought his best move was his neutral A aerial move?

[CAOTIC]

My Bowser opinion:
1 - Fortress
2 - Fair
3 - Klaw

[SonicDude62]

I don't see what's so great about the "Fortress" besides recovering?

[eugey]

A couple reasons:
1) It gives him some degree of protected mobility. He can use it to back out of the fray while still clanking many attacks. This is especially useful given his bad dodging and rolling ability. It's especially nice for using on a ledge and then sliding off of it to get away.

2) Given the overall speed of most of Bowser's attacks, it's one of the few attacks he has that is fast enough to keep up with the quicker characters. It's fast enough that if someone comes at you with an aerial attack, you can use it to attack right out of your shield. (I believe it's one of the fastest moves in the game)

3) It has pretty good knockback if you hit them with the very beginning of the attack. Combining that with the fact that it's quick enough to use out of your shield, it's easy to hit overly aggressive opponents with the beginning of the attack.

[mastr0fmyd0main3]

i can't believe that not that many people have mentioned down smash. that thing is insane for edge guarding and it's not bad for tech chasing. speaking of tech chasing, does any1 ever do it? (with his down throw) I think it works out pretty **** good, if they roll away, run and grab again, if they roll towards you, down smash their sorry ***, if they get up or attack up, grab them again. Maybe i'm being noobish, but IMO downthrow/downsmash is hot.

[CAOTIC]

It's not Bowser's most useful attack but like you said it's good when used in the right situation. I don't think dsmash is insane for edgeguarding either - it usually sucks balls - ftilt, bair or even fair is a better and more reliable option. Unless the opponent is at very high %, dsmash wont KO them - on the other hand you can score very cheap kills with the other moves I listed.

[AS Money]

i usually try to SHFFLC the fair but I'm not to good at the FF in SHFFLC. and i never thought to use the ^B move or "fortress" i see as it is called

[Gimpyfish62]

Anyone who doesn't say fortress should never be allowed to play bowser again.

We aren't talking about generally useful moves, or circumstantial moves... we are talking most useful move overall all the time. DEFINITELY the fortress.

[Chess_dog]

I don't see what's so great about the "Fortress" besides recovering?thats like saying, whats so great about a ''shine'' besides reflecting?

as said you can recover~recovery

a little trick is short-hopping and using it~good damage

you can get out of the battle~mobility

good knokback with initial strik~knockback

almost no start-up time~4-frames

close to no lag after

[Jim0]

I don't see what's so great about the "Fortress" besides recovering?

lyek omg man i am nvr going to use fortres agan thx for the advce u rock man!!!!!!!!!!

[God Sribe]

I will have to go with the fortress.

I do have a confession to make though.........I drop the B-Bomb quite often. But never to attack haha. I just like using it to psyche out other players...I'm near the edge and it looks like I'm gonna fall off but then I grab the edge hehe. Not really useful...but fun ^_^

[Gimpyfish62]

not really useful? are you out of yoru mind?

Thats VERY useful, bowser bomb with ZERO lag?!?

Not as useful as some other moves, but to call it not useful is just... o.0


Fortress FTW.

[God Sribe]

not really useful? are you out of yoru mind?

Thats VERY useful, bowser bomb with ZERO lag?!?

Not as useful as some other moves, but to call it not useful is just... o.0


Fortress FTW.

I didn't say it was absolutely 100% not useful. I said it wasn't really useful for the reason I was doing it lol

Edit: I'll often do it when they are on the other side of the stage...I'll be like "F this...GOod-bye cruel world" and then do that to psyche them out. Im not using it as an attack, or a prelude to an attack.