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Kevvviiinnn
08-29-2005, 08:47 PM
Let's list some improvements Bowser could use in SSBR. I personally think that Bowser could use some improvement in a little bit of everything. Bowser needs some projectiles, and not to mention more physical range. Speed would be a major improvement, and the Fire Breath could have some lag removed and be able to deal out more damage. And Bowser never uses his tail in battle... I'd like to see him use it :)

MagnuM
08-29-2005, 10:26 PM
Bowser needs to be much much more powerful if they are going to keep him as a laggy character. His attacks only do 2-3% more damage on average when they connect, which is hard enough as it is, and the knockback from each attack isn't that much further than most of the other characters. His lag and lack of speed are severely exaggerated in Melee as well. The lag of his attacks makes his so vulnerable to counter attack, especially the Bowser Bomb. His advantages do not balance out the many disadvantages he has in Melee, which is why he is such a low tier character. He is also too big as easy to combo, and dies very easily upwards. He needs much more resistance to powerful attacks and combos so you are forced to get him to > 200% to KO him. The moves that he connects should also be devastating in attack damage and knockback. I don't know how the developers overlooked this in their game testing sequence, however long that was. It was very obvious that Bowser was fundamentally flawed in Melee from the beginning; I recognized it from day one.

If I could only choose 3 improvements for Bowser in the next iteration of smash, I would choose (ranked):

1. Reduce lag
2. More Powerful and damaging hits
3. More resistance to attacks/combos

Kevvviiinnn
08-29-2005, 11:05 PM
Yes, it would be my dream if a Bowser could be played as fast as a Fox, reduced lag and all. His moves are barely stronger than the average hit, and his knockback is just about average. His move with the most knockback would be his f-smash, but that has a great amount of lag. Range would be a major improvement IMO. Bowser has decent range, but if he is going to stay lagged he is going to need a lot more range than he is granted in melee.

My top three improvements would probably be:

1. Reduced lag
2. Added range
3. More Knockback and Damage

If Bowser was granted more range, there would definately be a decrease of being comboed/hit. By reducing the lag and adding range, Bowser would have a pretty good chance of being one of the upper tier characters. Replacing the forward b(Koopa Klaw) with a projectile wouldn't be such a bad idea either.

CAOTIC
08-30-2005, 12:56 AM
Lol - Bowser's the funniest fat **** to watch in Smash - the fact he sucks makes it all the more amusing and admirable. So I propose the following:
- Make his flame have an upwards spike - rofl, I keep remembering Mario bouncing up real high in the air to Bowser's flame or anything hot in SM64. So Bowser should be able to KO people vertically in the air with flame. It'll look extra retarded, so it passes.
- hmm.... that's all I can think of. Top Tier!

MagnuM
08-30-2005, 01:52 AM
^ More like God Tier if he had that ability :)

Bowser really needs a projectile move. He should belch fireballs or throw hammers or something **** it!

Mic_128
08-30-2005, 01:55 AM
I could have sworn there was a SSBR thread in Melee Disc for anything and everything related to the next smash. I guess not. I'll just close this anyway.