Ganon vs Peach

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

I've been using Ganon for a little while now and I need some tips on fighting peach like what moves to use and good combos as well as good counterpick stages for Ganon vs Peach.

I already use dthrow to ABA and edgeguard crazy with AUA but I need some more good strategies for playing vs Peach with my Ganon, any help would be appreciated. Thx in advance :)

[ac_anon]

shouldnt this be in the ganondorf character specific forum?

[Byakko Shockwave]

Yeah, it should. Anyway, what you want to do is use Peach's light weight and Ganon's high knockback to your advantage. Peach is a lot faster than you, so you should be l-cancelling as many of your arials as possible. I don't play this match often (if ever) since none of my friends use Peach much; so those tips might be a little bit vague. Sorry I couldn't help more, lol.

[Kyari]

I've done rather well with spacing Ganon's fair against Peach.

And shame on you for not posting in the CF / Ganon sub-forum! Pay attention.

EDIT: We're here already?! That was fast. Now that we are, I'll go into more detail, I guess.

A more general rule is to realize the potential of uair. Peach is floaty, so this will give you more opportunities to hit her with it.

[CStick]

Ganny has alot more Range and power so use that to your advantage

his ftilt is good for keeping her back and Bair is good at getting through alot of her moves, as is fair, but its slower so it gives Peach a chance to eat through it and land an attack. Watch the turnips too, of course.

[CK1991]

lol... you could also get hella angry at peach and start bombarding her with attacks and combos, or you just look at the guide stickied at top of this forum ;)

[RyokoYaksa]

You will get wtfpwned by Peach's fsmash if you're spacing your fairs that well. Just a precaution.
We have the same thread in the Peach forum, btw. Except it's called Peach vs. Ganon, lol. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=50588

[Vall3y]

well, i know smaller stages are good her.
battlefield, yoshis 64 and corneria are good choises.
watch out from her dsmash - aka keep some distance between you.
umm, with her floatyness you can place both hits of the nair sometimes =p

[Benni]

"B" moves and rolling dodges work for me. As long as you be quick and don't charge up then you will be fine.

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

lol... you could also get hella angry at peach and start bombarding her with attacks and combos, or you just look at the guide stickied at top of this forum

Yeah I read through the entire thread of "How to Wield the Triforce of Power" like months ago when I started using Ganon. It's a good guide; and it's helped me alot. I just need to get ready to face Sastopher if he comes to the tournament I'm hosting. I was told by Yagi that there was a good chance Sas would attend with him.

[dark_dragon8]

Lol, ADAM, watch out for turnips. Ganon's slow speed ain't gonna help ya out too much against that. That is why (my strategy) is to try to catch the turnips to try to make the opponent mad so they stop throwing turnips. If you can't, you gotta keep a close Ganon game to Peach, but be aware of the downsmash of course (and you know the Peaches here). The sheild grab is quite often used, so do like the above and space out that f-air well. The down+B can work well if they keep dodge rolling away. It doesn't hurt to try to overshoot some aerials and land behind them, but that is a lot harder than it looks. I wonder why I can't use these in battle?

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

thankyou Troy. Yeah the Peach's here are big time shieldgrabbers. Especially Victa and Wilfred. I don't really know what to expect from Sastopher though :confused:

[Vall3y]

i am not certain about peach chars, but jab after the landed l canceld airiel stops grabbing in most cases, try using it ;o

[Titan44]

I dunno how to call this one. It seems to favor Ganon a bit if the Peach prefers ranged fighting, but aggressive Peaches give me tons of trouble. Her normals just seem to have too much priority, so you can't really rush her like you might do other characters. Jumping away with aerials seems like your only option when she starts running in.

Edge-guarding can go either way. Turnips and d-smash are pretty brutal when Ganon's around stage level or just below it and trying to come back. But on the other hand, u-air is GREAT against Peach when she's floating in from high up. U/B/F-air can get the job done if she's close to ground level. It's a little trickier when she's below the platform, since her up+B seems to beat out d-air, but Wizard Foot trades in your favor (she dies, while you get knocked up a bit).

[Bill-RiZeR]

I've been playing Ganondorf for a while, and then stopped playing SSBM, now that I'm back I've been getting mauled by Level 9 CPUs (I still win all the time mind you, but I lose way too much stock)

Anyways, as far as I can remember, use U-Air tactics against Peach, since it has decent priority overall. Even if you're a slow character, your power should be able to juggle her around until you get the right time to Up-Smash her for the KO.

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

Of course, Ganon's Usmash ^_^ how could I leave that out of my arsenal when fighting Peach. I mean I use it, but not NEARLY enough against Peach's as I should. Thanks for reminding me about that XD

[Shadowfox025]

u can use his wizards foot alot and his b moves and you'll do fine. also try grabbing once in awhile, too

[SynikaL]

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[Thomas Tipman]

It's a little trickier when she's below the platform, since her up+B seems to beat out d-air, but Wizard Foot trades in your favor (she dies, while you get knocked up a bit).
or you could use reverse uair, its really effective. just time it so you hit her at the peak of her up B that way the kick goes through since her upB does no damage when shes paused at the top.

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

or you could use reverse uair, its really effective. just time it so you hit her at the peak of her up B that way the kick goes through since her upB does no damage when shes paused at the top.

Yeah I have been working on that alot recently. Hitting her at the peak of the upB. The thing is my vulture kick is, overall, only sub-par. I mean I sometimes even mess up on SH AUA without using my second jump XD. I'm a little past THAT stage I would say... but I still screw it up enough at crucial times when I'm playing in tournaments and such. This has costed me greatly on MANY occasions. I guess it's just PRACTICE for perfecting AUA tactics with Ganon though...

Another thing Tipman, or anyone else who might know...
Is it even possible to hit the end animation of AUA if a Peach player sweet spots the edge? I mean of course in most cases I would hit her with something before she gets that close. But if I can't get to her in time while she's recovering, WILL AUA connect if I execute it at the correct time and angle if she sweet spots?

[Vall3y]

when i try to reverse up air edge gaurd up-b'ing peach, the unbrela hits me :(
Am I doing something wrong?

[SynikaL]

when i try to reverse up air edge gaurd up-b'ing peach, the unbrela hits me :(
Am I doing something wrong?


Yes, you're trying to use reverse upair. Use Bair.


-Syn

[Yuna]

Peach is not light, she is floaty.

Anyway, besides what's been said already, I'd recommend usage of bair and fair. They're very good moves for the Dorf.

Also, Ganondorf should not get shieldgrabbed easily. Just L-cancel your aerials and throw a jab in after them.

[white peachy]

Also, Ganondorf should not get shieldgrabbed easily. Just L-cancel your aerials and throw a jab in after them.


and learn to space the aerials that have enough lag to still get grabbed or land behind the sheild.

[ShortRoundMcfly]

u can use his wizards foot alot and his b moves and you'll do fine. also try grabbing once in awhile, too


You aren't allowed to talk anymore. K?

Use a B move sparringly to surprise an opponent or to recover. And god help us you do not to use neutral B.

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowfox025
u can use his wizards foot alot and his b moves and you'll do fine. also try grabbing once in awhile, too



You aren't allowed to talk anymore. K?

Use a B move sparringly to surprise an opponent or to recover. And god help us you do not to use neutral B.

XD I second that. Yeah I'm not a nub Ganon. Mostly I'm looking for advice on advanced airiel tactics and such.

[Thomas Tipman]

noob king the answer is....JEAH! but of course youd have to fast fall the uair at the right time though its difficult to get a kill that way because pech can just up B again and its a tough thing to time. also when you reverse uair her dont try to hit too much with the middle animation, the more to the end the better. reason i say that is because if you hit with anything other than the end animation she will just get more air when she up Bs (unless thats what you want, then FAIR THAT BIT-CHA).

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

Yeah, Fair would definetly be a good follow up if I Uair and miss the end of it. Dat ***** pop herself up SLIGHTLY above the stage I give her a good skull crusher to the face. Thx