Cyber Tech Plus Tournament (SouthEast MI) on August 27th (Updated Set Up and Date)

[Vayseth]

CHANGES
Date to the 27th of August due to a schedule conflict.
Set up change due to a need to make the tournament go faster. Please check the Set Up section for details.

I have been running Smash Brothers tournaments in South East Michigan for a couple months now and have only been getting a small group of people to enter, peaking at 35 human competitors. I run a Smash tournament every month that costs $5 to get in and you win prizes based on turnout.

They're held on a certain Saturday every month and they're generally at the end of the month. They're held at a local internet cafe known as "Cyber Tech Plus" and location and detailed rules can be found on their website:

http://www.cybertechplus.com/

(Please do not mistake this for advertising. I'm do not work at the place, I only run tournaments there. I'm announcing a tournament, not advertising for an establishment.)

The next one at Cyber Tech Plus is going to be on August 27th starting at 1 pm. Again, note the change. The tournament is on Saturday the 27th of August. I hope to see a record breaking turnout. The tournament officially starts at 3 pm but there are free warm up rounds from 1 pm until 3 pm. 4 player free-for-all only please. No prior head-to-head matches. And, just to you don't have to do any work, I'll place the rules in here for you:



Super Smash Brothers Melee © Rules and Regulations

The tournament will be a double elimination tournament where two individuals square off against each other in a head-to-head match on the Nintendo GameCube. The GameCube will be on one big TV for all to see. Double Elimination meaning, of course, you must lose twice to be fully out of the tournament.

Here are the general guidelines for the tournament and what you can expect to be there. If you have any questions or concerns, consider the Cyber Tech Plus forums (www.cybertechplus.com/forums/) for a quick response. Thank you.

Set Up:
CyberTechPlus offers a 65” widescreen High Definition TV for all to use free of charge before the tournament. It will have SSBM plugged in for all to practice on. This is in the main room, if you have never been there before. The matches will rotate 4 players every game; no one stays in unless no one is in line. Not even if you win the previous match. A ban will be placed on prior head-to-head matches. I repeat, NO ONE MAY BATTLE HEAD-TO-HEAD PRIOR TO THE TOURNAMENT. This practice session will be available from 1 pm to 3 pm. At 3 pm the tournament will begin. All matches will stop at 3 pm where further instructions will be given.

The tournament itself will be run in the back room. The back room (where registration will take place) will be equipped with 2 TVs and 2 GameCubes and will run two matches at a time. This is done to save time. The final matches (the semi-final rounds and the championship round) will be the only rounds available to the public on the main 65” TV. No one is allowed in the back room except for the competitors and the tournament organizer while the other matches are being played. This is to prevent interference and to speed things along. The final three matches will be played on the main TV for all to see and cheer for. Only those matches will be played. Until those matches 4 player free for alls may continue until your turn is up. Again, no head-to-head matches until after the tournament is completed.

The Tournament:
The tournament will be an individual tournament. Each individual who enters will face another individual in a head-to-head match. This tournament is also double elimination so it may take some time. Plan on being at the tournament from 1 pm until 5 pm or 6 pm depending on turn out. You, of course, do not have to show up until 3 unless you wish to partake in the free warm up matches starting at 1 pm. The tournament is set up using specific tournament software that seeds people in many different ways. It’ll randomly seed you into a match and then back again after you have lost one of your matches. The software also asks for your location so you do not pair up against your friends right away. It’ll actually seed you and your closest friends in opposite brackets which is a huge bonus.

The game settings or rules used at this tournament will be as follows:
• The matches will be 3 stock matches. Not time based.
• There will be an 8 minute time limit on the matches.
• No Handicaps will be placed on the matches.
• The damage ratio will be the standard 1.0 setting.
• Items will not be in use.
• The pause feature will be turned off to avoid interruptions during matches
• Self-Destructs will lose you one life (-1)
• Stages will be chosen by the players. If they cannot agree, random will be chosen. The available levels on the random setting are limited, due to fairness. No moving levels or levels that constantly damage players will be in use.
o The levels that I deem as fair are as follows:
- Yoshi's Story
- Fountain of Dreams
- Pokemon Stadium
- Battlefield
- Final Destination

That’s it for in-game rules. Now you should be able to set up the tournament rules on any GameCube any where. There are also some out-of-game rules:
• People will expected to know what character they wish to play as and which color of the character you want all before your turn to make setting up the tournament easy.
o There will be no waiting for people to choose characters. Know who you want to be before you sit down.
• People are allowed to watch the tournament but not allowed to interfere with the match in any way, shape, or form. Those who do will be asked to leave.
o People will of course talk and gasp and cheer, but if it is asked that people try to be quiet, please be quiet.
o Also, do not go anywhere near the competitors while they are playing. Those who break this rule will be asked to leave.
• I will call your name a maximum of 3 times. If you do not proceed to play after the 3rd time, you will lose by default.
• Please bring your own controller, if possible, to the tournament. We are not responsible for a controller malfunction if one happens while you are playing. We assume that if you bring your own controller, it will be in good, working order. If you are to bring a Wavebird © please put your name on both the controller and the port (even with tape) so nothing is lost. Also make sure that the batteries are new and charged and that it works. Wired controllers are preferred. I will also have 2 wired controllers available for those who forget their own.

Prizes:
The prizes will vary depending on turn out. The prizes will change for every 10 people more who show up. The prizes are also subject to change at any time. 3rd place is determined by the record the person had at the tournament. A 3rd place winner will automatically be calculated. If there are less than 20 people or more than 64, prizes will be calculated on site at 3 pm. Here are the prizes based on the number of people attending:
• 20 to 29 people:
o 1st: $25
o 2nd: $15
o 3rd: $10
• 30 to 39 people:
o 1st: $30
o 2nd: $20
o 3rd: $10
• 40 to 49 people:
o 1st: $40
o 2nd: $25
o 3rd: $15
• 50 to 64 people:
o 1st: $50
o 2nd: $30
o 3rd: $20

Champion Rule:
As of the tournament in August 2005 a champion of Cyber Tech Plus will be crowned. The person who comes in first place in that tournament will be known as the first champion. As such, they cannot enter the tournament next month but still must defend their title as champion. They must come to the next tournament and do not have to pay an entrance fee. If they are absent, they lose their right as champion and who ever comes in 1st that month automatically becomes champion and no cash prize shall be awarded. A champion defends his/her title by facing all 4 people who came in the semifinals that month (basically 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place). The champion must beat them all in one head-to-head match with exactly the same rules as the tournament. Whoever dethrones the champion becomes champion. For example, if the person who came in first place beats the previous champion, they are champion and 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place do not even get a shot at it. If the champion goes undefeated they win a cash prize. Also, if someone dethrones the champion they get an additional cash prize added on to what they have already won. They cannot lose money by losing to the champion. There is only money to gain here. The cash prize is based on turn out and is as follows:
• 20 to 29 people:
o $10
• 30 to 39 people:
o $15
• 40 to 49 people:
o $20
• 50 to 64 people:
o $20

As far as the tournament goes, that’s everything. Cyber Tech Plus’s website (www.cybertechplus.com) has a list of rules for their store as well as general information about their business that would be good to read.

Thank you for reading and come join the fun over at Cyber Tech Plus!

[tehownage]

Prizes sound interesting, but tournament mode is retarded. Usually 4 stock is used at tournies but if you want 3 stock thats fine. Dreamland 64 is much more of a fair level than Corneria, Peach's Castle, and Yoshi's Island 64. Usually tournies ban Yoshi's Island 64 because its a crap level. I seriously recommend not using the in-game tournament mode, but instead setting up a double elimination bracket or use a pool system. Still your the host, but try and use my advice.

[Vayseth]

Well, these rules come off of months of working and trail and error. I don't like Yoshi much but you have to admit it is rather fair. I can always take it out if people dislike it. Also, why not the in-game tournament mode? It works absolutely perfectly. Instead of byes people play level 9 computers. It actually works out quite well since the likely hood of someone losing to one (I make sure they're not Ganondorf or DR Mario) very hard. Tournament melee actually is quite brilliant.

[tehownage]

Tournament mode does not give the option to make sets best 2/3 or double elmination. Its just one match to beat every person you verse, one loss means being out of the tournament. No, Yoshi's Island is not fair, the level is way too big and people can just camp out on the clouds. Just trust me on all this, and if I come, me and my friend will help you out on the way a tournament should be ran.

[Lancer777]

That's awfully presumptious of you tehownage, don't you think?

[and per se Andy]

tehownage isn't being rude or presumptuous or anything of the sort, and everything he's said is exactly right. If you go to the tournaments room you'll see that there is a generally standardized set of rules that tournament hosts (such as myself) have developed over the last 3 years after tests and trials with many different rulesets. We travel across the country, we play hundreds of people, we know what's going on.
We've also been to tournaments with some very bad rulesets. We've seen what doesn't work.
If you haven't been to these boards and you want to argue about rulesets then it is you who's being presumptuous! Just a kind word of advice good sirs.

[Lancer777]

Well what if vayseth dosen't want his help? That's what's presumptuos, not his opinion.

[Lancer777]

So like, do I have to register somewhere?

[tehownage]

Thanks alot AOB =), and Lancer I've been to tournies and I know which rulesets provide the most accurate results. Its up to Vayseth how he wants it run, but I'm willing to help him run it the best way, which is not at all rude or presumptuous. Btw Lancer, money match? =)

[Vayseth]

Registration is all done on site between 1 and 3. I don't like taking pre-regs because, chances are, people either won't show up, change a character, or something of the sort. I hate dealing with it.

And, while I respect that you all have been having tournaments across the country, for years, with hundreds of people, I don't make fun of your rule sets or tell you how to run your tournament. I appreciate your feedback and I am going to take Yoshi out. I just played the stage and realized it's like playing a head-to-head match on Hyrule. NO. ONE. DIES. Thanks for the tip. How are the other 7? And, I don't include stages that might have wind or like most of the Kirby levels do. I remember you suggesting that. I've seen too much wind whoring to allow the level. And, again, i want to remind you that this is *only* if the people do not agree on the stage and we have to come to a decision. Chances are, both people will chose final and have no problem with it at all. I'm not saying chose random every time, all I'm saying is I'm planning ahead. The stage thing isn't a big deal.

And, yes, I entered a tournament in Chicago that was 150 some people and was head-to-head double elmination. It took well into 6-7 hours to run. Now, tournaments generally start at 3:15-3:30 pm based on unplanned slow downs and last until 5 or 6 depending on turn out. One time I ran it 32 people and another I did 48 people. It made it last a bit longer, I'm sure you can imagine.

This brings me down to why it's single elmination. TIME. The location in which I run the tournaments offers top of the line Alien Ware computers to play practically every computer game imagineable. You can assume, on any given Saturday, this would make the place seriously crammed seeing as it's their most busy day. Basically, people add hours into their accounts and play until the time they paid for runs out. Well, imagine a tournament that fills the place. People are coming there for Super Smash Brothers, not for PC gaming. The establishment then loses money for every hour I'm running the tournament. Basically, 4-5 hours. I have to pay him, to run the tournament there, for his lost time using the entrance fees accumulated. If it were double elimination, I'd have to take more time to plot every single person there and then plot them again and again until everyone has lost twice. That would seriously lengthen my tournaments and thus cost more money to run. This would then result in an increase in entrance fees, decrease in prizes, or both. To tell you the truth, it isn't worth it. Especially since I'd have to do a bunch of tedious math and guessing to find out how long it would take and how much that would cost. It's not a fun thing. The owner is a great guy and actually let me finally run a Smash tournament (my dream). So, since I couldn't find another place, it's single elimination. It just works out well that way. I'm sorry I can't run it double but I have reasons for doing so.

Thank you and I await futher suggestions.

[Lancer777]

What does money match mean?

[montross726]

Tehownage and I will most likely make it out to the next one of these. I have a few questions though...

Let's say 35 people show up for the smash tournament. At $5 to enter, that is a $175 prize pool. If you do the $30 for 1st, $20 for 2nd, and $10 for 3rd, that will only account for $60 leaving $115 left over. I understand that some of the pot goes to the store for having the tournament, but in this situation they would be taking out 66% of the total money, which seems like an awful lot. I would hope that the prizes would change a little bit depending on how many people enter. Could you just explain this a little bit more please? I understand that there might not be anything you can do about this so don’t dwell on this too much.

About the rules, I would recommend looking around at other tournament topics to check their rules. Most tournaments do best 2/3 matches with 4 stock. Usually a time limit (8 min is good for a 4 stock match) is used as well to prevent camping and stalling tactics, but this is rarely much of a factor because barely anyone does this. 4 stock matches have been agreed upon to give good results because if you SD once, it won’t make as much of a difference in the match as it would in a 3 stock match. Using best 2/3 matches is also good because if you get a random stage that gives someone an obvious advantage, the better player might lose. Having best 2/3 helps to eliminate this from causing the better player to lose strictly due to the stage.

Among the smash community, the commonly agreed upon neutral stages are Final Destination, Dream Land 64, Pokemon Stadium, Fountain of Dreams, Battlefield, and Yoshi's Story. The stages you have now aren’t too bad and like you said, most people will just agree on a stage anyway. Good move getting Yoshi 64 out of there too. Dream Land 64 may be big, but it is pretty fair. I can’t say I’m familiar with “wind whoring” though…

Is there only one TV that can be used or are there more available? I hope there are more available because the tournament could be run a lot more smoothly with multiple TVs. If need be, players may be able to bring a few TVs to help. I’m sure some would volunteer to bring one if you asked.

Using the tournament mode in the game is pretty bad like tehownage said. Either just making brackets by hand or doing them on a computer (preferably with tournament software) is fairly easy. This way if a mistake is made, it can easily be rectified. A major problem with tourney mode is that you are stuck with one character the whole time. No tournaments use that rule, which is a good thing because there is the whole counterpicking deal. Because of the time issue, I think you should implement some byes instead of having matches against computers. I would hope that everyone there can be a level 9 so this just seems like time wasted… This is also beneficial because you can play matches on multiple TVs (impossible with tournament mode). Furthermore, tournament mode doesn’t do best 2/3 matches (at least I don’t think it does).

Under ideal conditions, there would be as many TVs as possible, the tournament would be double elimination (or Swiss format or some form of round robin, but we can stick to just double elim), the stages would be the ones I listed above along with some counter pick levels perhaps and 4 stock matches with each round being best 2/3 matches. Since time is a major factor though, hopefully we could get a few more TVs, but even if that can’t happen I would still hope you could get 2/3 matches even if it had to be 3 stock. That is probably the biggest thing that I hope could get changed.

Last thing, do you or anyone that works there have a problem with money matches? I would probably be willing to money match people where they had the option to choose my character for me as a kind of challenge.

I’ve been playing smash for about two years now and I have been to multiple tournaments so I know how things work. If you would like me to, I would be more than willing to help run things.

:smash:

EDIT: Oh yea, I was browsing around the site and was wondering if there is any kind of charge besides the $5 entry fee? Also, if it is our first time there do we need to bring those consent/waiver forms that were on the site?

[Lancer777]

Does money match mean he was chalenging me for money?

[tehownage]

Yes, a set best 2/3, for any amount of money you want.

[Lancer777]

I'm just a noob... Plus I'm usually in debt, how good are you?

[tehownage]

I blow, so money match.

[Lancer777]

What character do you use?

[tehownage]

Any character you want me to use.

[Lancer777]

We'll see.

[Vayseth]

"Let's say 35 people show up for the smash tournament. At $5 to enter, that is a $175 prize pool. If you do the $30 for 1st, $20 for 2nd, and $10 for 3rd, that will only account for $60 leaving $115 left over. I understand that some of the pot goes to the store for having the tournament, but in this situation they would be taking out 66% of the total money, which seems like an awful lot. I would hope that the prizes would change a little bit depending on how many people enter. Could you just explain this a little bit more please? I understand that there might not be anything you can do about this so don’t dwell on this too much."

--Good question. I believe I mentioned the "Champion Rule" but, if I did not... We currently have a champion of the tournaments. He has won 3 in a row and no one can beat him (save me. We're tied in W/L though). He doesn't enter the tournament and at the end places 1-4 face him for a chance at an additional $10 added to their money. No one can lose money at all. If he goes undefeated, he's still champ and gets the $10. If you dethrone him, you're champ, and so on. As for the pot, it's actually a mix between me and the owner. I entered the tournament last time because I was getting some suggestions on rule changes and needed to actually play to see them. I purposely died in the 2nd round and that was that. I changed the rules a bit now and that's what you're looking at now. So, the establishment gets a percentage and I, personally get a percentage. Then it actually splits it up in about 1/3s. Prizes/Me/Establishment. I'm sure if that small location somehow breaches 64 the prizes will go up. I'm constantly using a calculator while people come up. There used to not be a 3rd place prize, and now there is. That's just an example of prizes changed on the spur of the moment. But, if you get me a ton of people there I will have no problem upping the entrance fee/champion prize. 35 people wasn't a lot. There is another reason that I can tell you on the day of the tournament if you like. I have many reasons.

"About the rules, I would recommend looking around at other tournament topics to check their rules. Most tournaments do best 2/3 matches with 4 stock. Usually a time limit (8 min is good for a 4 stock match) is used as well to prevent camping and stalling tactics, but this is rarely much of a factor because barely anyone does this. 4 stock matches have been agreed upon to give good results because if you SD once, it won’t make as much of a difference in the match as it would in a 3 stock match. Using best 2/3 matches is also good because if you get a random stage that gives someone an obvious advantage, the better player might lose. Having best 2/3 helps to eliminate this from causing the better player to lose strictly due to the stage."

--Again, time issue. I'd love to reformulate it to have 4 stock matches, 2/3, with a time limit but... if you count how much time it takes to run a 64 man tournament and then take all those matches, multiply by 3, and then by 8, you're looking at way more minutes than I can afford.

"Among the smash community, the commonly agreed upon neutral stages are Final Destination, Dream Land 64, Pokemon Stadium, Fountain of Dreams, Battlefield, and Yoshi's Story. The stages you have now aren’t too bad and like you said, most people will just agree on a stage anyway. Good move getting Yoshi 64 out of there too. Dream Land 64 may be big, but it is pretty fair. I can’t say I’m familiar with “wind whoring” though…"

--I'm pretty sure the trees blow at you on that stage, right? When they do, they can prevent you from coming back onto the stage and I don't like it, nor does anyone else I play with.

"Is there only one TV that can be used or are there more available? I hope there are more available because the tournament could be run a lot more smoothly with multiple TVs. If need be, players may be able to bring a few TVs to help. I’m sure some would volunteer to bring one if you asked."

--Yes, like I said, this isn't my establishment. In the Smash tournament I'm leading in Troy come November there will be 3 TVs and 3 matches going at once. That "Nov" tourney is being a bit screwy and *****y on time so... I don't know how it's going to work just yet... They're giving me 3 hours to get through 128 people. I doubt there will be 2/3s in that one... x.x He has a 65" plasma and that's all we can use. It's more of a liability issue, really. If your TV got damaged in his store, that's going to come down, somehow, on the owner.

"Using the tournament mode in the game is pretty bad like tehownage said. Either just making brackets by hand or doing them on a computer (preferably with tournament software) is fairly easy. This way if a mistake is made, it can easily be rectified. A major problem with tourney mode is that you are stuck with one character the whole time. No tournaments use that rule, which is a good thing because there is the whole counterpicking deal. Because of the time issue, I think you should implement some byes instead of having matches against computers. I would hope that everyone there can be a level 9 so this just seems like time wasted… This is also beneficial because you can play matches on multiple TVs (impossible with tournament mode). Furthermore, tournament mode doesn’t do best 2/3 matches (at least I don’t think it does)."

--
1. No other TVs.
2. Where is the tournament software? I want it, now.
3. Most people who enter are good with one character and stick with that character, meaning that they don't have a problem with being just that character. Most ***** out one character out here and that's it.
4. Mistakes are impossible. When you show up, you'll see why.
5. For the record, Tournament Melee not only saves time, but it does weed out the bad people. I'm sorry, but a level 9 luigi went through 2 rounds of my first tournament and then was barely beaten by the guy in the third round (about 150% damage each, one life left, next hit ended it), and I was about to kick everyone out of the tournament because I was so sick of watching this. You'd hope they could beat them, but, really, some can't, and it's better they're gone. Someone lost to a level 9 Bowser and blamed me. *ME*.
--

"Under ideal conditions, there would be as many TVs as possible, the tournament would be double elimination (or Swiss format or some form of round robin, but we can stick to just double elim), the stages would be the ones I listed above along with some counter pick levels perhaps and 4 stock matches with each round being best 2/3 matches. Since time is a major factor though, hopefully we could get a few more TVs, but even if that can’t happen I would still hope you could get 2/3 matches even if it had to be 3 stock. That is probably the biggest thing that I hope could get changed."

--Yes, in an ideal world I have my own gym and can do percentile based prizes on entrance fees with as much time in the world and as many TVs as I wanted and a huge mega phone shipping people around. Alas, I have a tiny internet cafe with one TV and people playing games. I hope to find a bigger establishment I can rent out in the future, but, for now, they have a working website and a convinent location for me.

"Last thing, do you or anyone that works there have a problem with money matches? I would probably be willing to money match people where they had the option to choose my character for me as a kind of challenge."

--After the tournament, if the owner deems it okay to play more, you do what you want, just keep it under wraps. I think it'd be better if you just did head-to-head matches but, hey, if money is involved, and I don't know about it, doesn't hurt me. And, you sound really good. I can't wait. There's really only 3 or 4 of us who are worth much of anything at these tournaments I've been seeing. However, I did have 2 people (they were bothers) come in who were really outstanding and I had never seen them before. Sometimes you get lucky. Generally, there's just us four.

"I’ve been playing smash for about two years now and I have been to multiple tournaments so I know how things work. If you would like me to, I would be more than willing to help run things."

--I'll keep that in mind when I change locations. As for now, I really can do the whole thing from start to finish flawlessly all by myself. Thanks for the offer.

"EDIT: Oh yea, I was browsing around the site and was wondering if there is any kind of charge besides the $5 entry fee? Also, if it is our first time there do we need to bring those consent/waiver forms that were on the site?"

--Ah hah! Someone reads! That is if you wish to play mature rated games on the computers (i.e.-want to purchase computer time) and has nothing to do with me. Smash Bros is T for teen and everyone can play. You have $5 in cash to me and anything above and beyond that is the owner's stuff, not mine. Like I said, I don't work there, I run tournaments.

[tehownage]

ROFL these players sound pretty awesome if they complain about losing to computers. But seriously though tournament mode is not the way to go, just try and trust me on that.

I understand there being a time issue but could you make it at least 3 stock, 1 match per set, double elimination? You gotta give people more of a chance than just 1 loss. With the tournament software the double elimination would go just as fast as it would with tournament mode. But instead it would provide better placing results, and much less complaining cause players would be sent into loser's bracket instead of being out of tourny after their 1 loss.

Right now I can't get you the software because Shoryuken forums are down, but once they are back up, I'll send you a link to the software and you can check it out yourself.

Really I'm trying to help in anyway I can. I know from experience how to run a tourny. I hosted one a few months ago in Port Huron with about 5 different fighting games, about 7 TVs and about 70 or so people. The whole tournament was finished within about 5-6 hours despite the lack of TVs and the large number of people. Running one game is also much easier than running 6 different ones.

All I'm trying to do is help and make this tournament a succesful one. I know that in the past this has worked well for you, but you said yourself scrubs complained about losing to computers, so why not give them a chance in a more accurate bracket. So please consider mine and Montross' requests. We know whats up.

[and per se Andy]

As a side note, tournament hosts almost never keep part of the pot for themselves. I sure don't. Running a tourney is a lot of work (my last one had 95 people from all over the midwest, texas, and maryland), but it's worth it!

[Lancer777]

So if you raise the entrance fee, you'll tell us before, right?

[Vayseth]

The entrance fee will never be raised, it'll only be lowered, but even then that's up to the guy.

And, actually, I didn't even want to keep the pot. The guy said, "Hey, these tournaments are basically advertisments to my store so *hands money* here you go." and it's been like that ever since. I'm obviously not complaining.

If you get me the tournament software, it will be double elimination. Seeing as the only tournament software I have is Microsoft Excel and Tournament Melee, I'm going to have to use Tournament Melee. I've had some issues with excel which is why I switched.

Again, thank you all for your tips. Please let it be known that I am not the only one who is behind the rules and I am definitely not a n00b at running tournaments. This is just what was struck down with me and the owner. Please do not make it out to seem like I don't know what I'm doing or that I, in fact, need help running a tournament. I'm just trying to get suggestions as to things that I may be able to change without having a meeting with him about it.

[Lancer777]

I will have no problem upping the entrance fee/champion prize.

I thought this meant you may make the entrance fee more.

[montross726]

If you can do double elimination, that would be cool. Even if it is just one match per set, double elim will still be nice.

Another thing I wanted to mention is crew separation. All random is another thing I don't like about tournament mode. Instead of just going straight up random for the brackets, it would be a good idea if you separated friends. For instance, if tehownage and I come to the next tourney, we would not want to play against each other early on in the tournament. Maybe before you set up the brackets, you could have people pair up and then split the pairs up into the two halves of the bracket. I'm sure there are other people that would like this idea as I'm sure nobody wants to play their friends first round...

I hope you reconsider on having computers in the tourney. I know you are somewhat forced to do so in tournament mode, but with this tourney software, you shouldn't have to. This can help with the time issue and letting some people have byes does not hurt. If you wanted, you could give first round byes (if the number of people requires some people to have byes) to players that you know have done well in the previous tournaments.

Tehownage will get you the link to the tournament software soon so you can check that out. We've used it for some of our recent tournaments and it has worked well.

Oh yea, about Dream Land 64... it's not a big deal to me if you want to leave that stage off. Personally I don't really like it, but I thought I should mention that most people think it's fair so don't worry about it.

[tehownage]

http://www.adrianljones.com/TM20.exe

Here is the link to tourny software, quick download and install, you can randomize brackets or even seed by locations (which could be used to seperate friends first round.) Also you can organize people's entries know who has already paid and what not. Then at the end, it generates all the placings. It really is a great program, so take a look into it.

[Vayseth]

I thought this meant you may make the entrance fee more.

Sorry, that was a typo I didn't even see. I meant "Tournament Prizes/Champion Prizes."

Your software is astounding. I have fully played around with it and am sure I can run a double elimination match with very little difficulty. The only problem with the software is the entrance fee part does not allow the establishment to take out money, which is a problem. I'm going to have to come up with a formula. For example if 20 people show up the prizes are ____,____, or ____. And the prizes will increase for every 10 people that show up. Does that sound fair?

I'm at a friends now (where we tested it) and I'm running home to rewrite the rules for the Cyber Tech tournament now. When I'm done, I'll post them on my first page but leave a reply letting you know that they're there.

Also, I might have to change the champion rule a little bit. Technically we have a 3-time running Champion, but of an older formula. I'm just going to let him run in the tournament with the new formula and crown a new "champion" and use the "champion rule" at the next tournament.

I'm still going to stick with 3 stock, for the sake of time. I'm also thinking about putting at least a 8 min time limit on the matches. I have never seen a mtach last over 5 but, you never know. That's all I can think of for now. CHeck back for new rules.

Thank you so very much for this software. I have been dieing for something like this.

[Liptonbuddy]

I might consider coming out of retirement for this! It'll be fun to own the hell out of many noobs while hearing them say things like, "Why do you jump with the laser?" or "How does your character slide accross the ground like that?" Man, too bad there wasn't a gamecube on the line like that one noob tourney I went to. Monstro could have a new Cube. ^^ On a side note, tehownage sucks balls. It's a good idea to money match such a noob! You blow TEH! BLOW HARD! I hope you do money match this guy, and loose hard! 4 stock!

[tehownage]

Your software is astounding. I have fully played around with it and am sure I can run a double elimination match with very little difficulty. The only problem with the software is the entrance fee part does not allow the establishment to take out money, which is a problem. I'm going to have to come up with a formula. For example if 20 people show up the prizes are ____,____, or ____. And the prizes will increase for every 10 people that show up. Does that sound fair?


Well it sorta can, you just specify the amount for the establishment. But unfortunately you cannot make it formulate a deduction by percentage. Better prizes sound great.

JUSTIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vayseth]

Well, then, I'm glad to have made ya'll happy. Rules up in due time.

[Lancer777]

I don't think their should be a time limit.

[Vayseth]

New rules are officially up and are cleared by the boss! Go for it!

As for a time limit, I personally have a time limit. I must make sure that the tournament is over in a respectible amount of time. The match limit is 8 minutes. If a 3 stock match takes 8 minutes there is something wrong and it needs to end. I have never seen a match go over 5. I wouldn't be too worried about it.

[Vayseth]

A change of date has been instated and a change of set up has been made due to a recent meeting with the boss. Please check the first post for details.

[montross726]

Two tvs = too good.

Date change shouldn't be too much of a problem for tehownage and I, but it does kind of suck that it had to be pushed back a week.

[tehownage]

Well now since its two televisions, maybe you should up the stock to 4, I tend to SD alot. ;)

[Vayseth]

Well now since its two televisions, maybe you should up the stock to 4, I tend to SD alot. ;)

I actually got a little lectured on how long the tournaments were lasting so... I'm not about to lengthen them any more ^^; You have double elimination so... get good with one character that you don't SD a alot with :D

And, yes, it does suck that it was pushed back a week but... it seems like they're having a Valve sponsored Counter Strike Source Tournament that weekend and I was pretty much screwed. The prizes for that tournament far surpass my own. I think they're up to $500... It's on the valve website and everything.

Well, let's get an even bigger turnout and show them who's game is better :)

[Vayseth]

The rules and everything are now up on the site. He finally updated it. Check it out and pass it along to your friends.

[T0rch]

I'd go to your tournament, but why go to a tournament where only 1/3 of the pot actually gets redistributed to the players. Heck, anything other than 1st wouldn't even cover the gas it would take me to get there. And don't bring up that stupid "champion" thing, I don't have the time or desire to come back in a month only to "defend my title" I've been to too many tournaments where the person running it was more concerned about how much of the pot he could quietly pocket than actually enjoying the game.

Stupid.

[tehownage]

Yeah, more prize money. Money is good.