Poor Ice climbers are ignored, its no wonder that they are not higher teir.

[Snakebite]

It might be because no one plays them, So therefore its no wonder they are not higher teir. People tend to Be able to play sheik, marth, but not ice.
I decided to take up ice due to looks, much meaning and such coolness. But People are not use to the ice climbers, so practice up and you will find a path to major ownage. If ice aint cool, just imagine them to be sub 0.

[UndrDog]

Ah, almost everyone knows the Icies pwn, there's no doubt about that. The thing is, they are insanely hard to master. The best known IC is ChuDat. And I'm sure he'd tell you he'd like to improve, if you can believe that is possible. I'm not sure why they are still kinda low, a Infinite Combo like theirs should be enough, LoL!

Welcome to the Boards!

[Snakebite]

My mains are ice and marth, and sometimes link. Hopefully we can both become good ice players.

[I P Freely]

I still dont see why the ICs are higher though :\. I mean, ChuDat can beat almost anyone with them.

[Snakebite]

My ice are starting to get Better, man ive been so stupid for ignoring them all this time

[GoVonzell]

When I first started the Ice Climbers were in my Top 3 (along with Peach and Zelda). Now, I still love to play them, but they're in my Top 5

1. Peach
2. Marth
3. Link
4. Ice Climbers (YAY!!!)
5. Mr. Game and Watch

[Eastlitree]

Ice Climbers are fun....I've started using them a lot lately. I like to kill off Anna at the start of the match and fight with just Popo, it's more fun that way.

[GoVonzell]

I think that the key to mastering the Ice Climbers is knowing how to adapt when your computer ally dies and you are left with just one. Your strategy is good training (though I probably wouldn't do the same).

[dark_dragon8]

Another key is to get some fast KOs in with Nana/Popo (depends on colour) by your side. Get some great desynchs going on, grab combos and they can rack up huge amounts of damage at a time. You also got to learn the single IC play like GoVonzell pointed out. It is essential I say to make the lead IC live as long as possible while doing the most damage. For me, if I play ICs, the lead if possible I KO, but mostly to rack up damage because as soon as I come back, I can KO almost right away. Chu's single IC play is godly btw.

[I P Freely]

Ice Climbers are fun....I've started using them a lot lately. I like to kill off Anna at the start of the match and fight with just Popo, it's more fun that way.

That's a pretty dumb idea, because almost all of the IC's strategy uses Nana. You need her to desync, and without her every attack does 1/2 damage. Recovery is also dramatically reduced without Nana.

[Eastlitree]

That's a pretty dumb idea, because almost all of the IC's strategy uses Nana. You need her to desync, and without her every attack does 1/2 damage. Recovery is also dramatically reduced without Nana.

I just think it's more entertaining fighting with just one since it's more challenging. And I do fine without Nana/Popo though; even though I never practice with them at all.

[Sebastian]

Oh shut up, the Ice climbers suck, much like you!

[Eastlitree]

Oh shut up, the Ice climbers suck, much like you!

.........But why?

[g-regulate]

chu and azen are the only ICs that ive seen played extremely well. the amount of practice required to be able to consistantly de-sync and chain grab is incredible though. chu gets real far in tourneys, because his ICs practically eliminate any sheiks, and theres really no other IC's on that level of play. unless you practice with chu dat a whole lot, its hard to know what to expect against IC's. ill quote east coast eddie, and i think we can all relate..."what the hel do you do against IC's?"

[UndrDog]

Ice Climbers are fun....I've started using them a lot lately. I like to kill off Anna at the start of the match and fight with just Popo, it's more fun that way.

lol, You'd kill off your partner and go one on one. I have to admit, it feels good to let Popo off his ball n' chain and go solo, but you'll be hard pressed to find an IC player that wins like that. Actually, you'd be hard pressed to just find an IC player period. Not enough of them out there.

[PXTalon2000]

I think you're completely right. I think the Ice Climbers together are an extremely good character, and that they could easily be high tier if anyone put as much energy into them as Chu Dat; Chu will always be the Ice Climbers, though. I say that about the Ice Climbers and not about another character because Chu beats top players (like, his peers) using top tier characters with his IC's. And it's not like they've got no idea what they're doing against him; IC's appear to have a good enough game to deal with every character. After enough people play IC's at a high level like that, they'll probably go back down on the tier list because anti-IC strategies will be better integrated into the metagame, and people will become more aware of their most dangerous mistakes as they are playing them (basically they'll lose their surprise factor).

[Heretic_789]

I also think that Ice Climbers get ignored, l find they are a good team.

[Snakebite]

Sheesh seb, Its not like I know my ice I just started, try playing the top ices and you will see. I hope you were not badmouthing me, whats the deal man.

[Snakebite]

ahhh so we all agree but one, hopefully we can all become good. Lets make Ice popular, If all else failure major ownage will come our way.

[Snakebite]

Ice are also hard done by, by missiles due to laggy sheilding.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

i dont know, i fear that the IC's will soon become very popular due to their pure brokeness, their chain grabs and overpowered smashes are causing more peeps to pick them up, i saw this at FC. The fact is that IC's are not hard to master, most of their game consists of wd into smashes or grabs, the chain throws, though we like to fool our selves otherwise, are no hard to do, all and all the climbers are def becoming the new fox and marth in sheer brokeness, sheik is slowly drifting away from the top 3 and the IC's will eventually be realized as one of the top 3 chars, and yes peach can be chain thrown elim her as a counter if on truely gets the timing down for the f-air out of down throw. Climbers are just a broken char in general.

[Snakebite]

There is more to ice than chain grabbing, just ask chu dat that(I think thats his name)
Anyway, ICe have really good mind games, and there are alot of different playing styles. But as underdog mentioned they suffer badly from missile type attacks and spamage, which is due to laggy sheilding. Peach also due to her arial canceling out some of the ices moves. I dont think many people are going to take up ice.

I mean look at how many posts we get for the ice boards compared to others.

[Snakebite]

But who knows it could end up that way. And sheik will always be in the top 3 unless everyone takes up ice and becomes good at them.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

ur kind of right in a sense that only 2 climber players made it to the final 32 bracket, me and of course chu, but i am no great player and yet i was able to mow through people like killaor, bob$, phatgamer,husband,and eddie with little effort, i even almost beat undisputed's ganon, the IC's biggest counter other than peach. i dont believe im that good to be able to make it to the final bracket out of about 200 people. The ice climbers are a very broken char, chu shows us this, and even me by just having decent mind games and wd and wave sheilding around until i can get in a smash or a grab that ends up racking 60-90 or even death damage. only char i was taken down by were like 4 peaches and undisputed's ganon. my point being people are starting to see past the myth that climbers suck, and are even beginning to realize that they are not hard to play at all, the climbers are not far from becoming as broken as sheik was once thought to be, if u truely watch chu too he really only shines when hes playing peach, where his mind games somehow allow him to overcome that disadvantage. but against most of the other chars he resorts to the same broken **** that i use which allow the climbers to win quite easily, samus is no big problem to tell u the truth, i didnt lose to a single samus player at fc, why?? because once u get in she doesnt have any good moves which she can spam to keep u away, climbers are too fast and too powerful for her. --; but hey u can still treat the climbers like they are this special char that only a select few can master, when they are just as easy to play as sheik, but much more broken.

oh and at FC there was a **** load of IC players, so their numbers are not down at all, just people tend to stay away from char discussion, its always the same peeps who post.

[Vall3y]

people just rather play a simple solid 1 unit (T_T) charactar!

[Snakebite]

Looks to be that way,Ive only just really taken up ice so its nice to get lots of feedback and knowlege of proes such as yourself.

[PiranhaPlant]

I can't remember how many times my most used character has changed. But ever since I learned of the Ice Climbers' potential they were always within the top two. Now, I nearly always use them! I love how powerful those hammers can be! I hardly ever use their B moves, except when I have 1 IC and I fly off the screen, then I use the side-B attack to get back on the arena.

What i find rather annoying about using the IC's is that whenever one dodges, the following IC is always a split second too slow, so unless you faster at dodging than a single player character, the follwing IC always dies first.

[Fleur de Lis]

I'm rather surprised at HoChiMinhTrail's post...I didn't think there were that many IC's period, and to hear that a lot were present at FC3 is surprising. However, I think it's well worth it, and although I don't play IC's at all, I can still see how much potential is there that is unrealized. Too many people think that the game is totally figured out and Sheik, Fox, and Marth are obviously the best characters, and the only ones you need to figure out to win a tourney. And the reason I like to watch ChuDat play so much is because he proves them soo wrong.
So there's finally a counter to Shiek, and that's IC's. They can chain grab, they have incredibly powerful smashes, their WD is the second best in the game, they have THE best vertical recover (with both IC's, of course), and they just, in general, have a very solid game going for them. I think there's just a weird stigma associated with playing kind of cute, almost ridiculous looking characters that has kept people away from the IC's.
I think the tier list is a great representation of who, on average, the best players PLAY as, but I don't think it accurately represents who the best characters actually are.
I think most of the lower tier characters are way better than they appear to be, and I think that most people aren't realizing that until only at the end of SSBM's lifetime (the next Smash will surely almost completely replace this one...sadly..)

So, props to all of you that play IC's.

[Snakebite]

I dont know, how to delete posts. I dont think you can. Anyway my other post had offensive material in it.

[Snakebite]

No one plays ice climbers in australia, it's a shame really. I've always wanted a ice ditto or to play a ice team up. Lots and lots of Icicles.

[CAOTIC]

Ugh, I may as well try and take them up Snakebite. Anything that counters Emily's tier whoring Sheik crap must be taken into serious consideration, hahaha.

***psst*** - Stop spamming your own thread, lol.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

yea pick em up, Ice Climbers throw sheik around like she is nothing, one grab = done for sheik.

[silentmovie-kirby]

i agree that, despite i am a kirby fan, that the ice climbers are hard to use.

[AzN_Lep]

Well... IC's aren't higher on the tier cuz there aren't many high placing IC in tourneys (cept Chu), and they dont place well in tourneys cuz not alot of ppl use themz, and not alot of ppl use them cuz there too hard to master. so ppl dont play them cuz they wanna get good with a character quickly hence marth shiek and peach. But when you think about it, they used to be mid tier, so they are moving up there. sooner or later ppl'll realize how good these guyz really are

[HoChiMinhTrail]

not hard to use at all tho :P sorry guys, u just need to develop mind games to compete with the top players.

[QDVS]

You didn't make it to the 32 man bracket at FC HoChiMinhTrail.....

The 4 people in your 3rd pool who advanced were Husband, Tagaki, Jinx, and Undisputed....the 4 who got eliminated were you, RockCrock, Mr. Silver, and Yagi!!!

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[Snakebite]

Dont feel as if its a huge task, I hope only you take them up.

Meaning>ICe better not turn into a peach era.

Anyway my ice faced well off against trents link, who spamed the hell outa me
Trents link has also improved which is good news.

[HoChiMinhTrail]

stfu lol i needed to use that to prove a f-in point son, but yea still i placed higher then i should have, because believe me im not that goodz at this game.

[Snakebite]

Anyone that plays ice is a legend in these boards and are legends and obviously have some wits about them.

saying that has anyone got any worthy ice vids for me to watch

[QDVS]

I had a feeling you used that to make a point but still......

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