Shffl'ing doc's aerials

[iharfor]

ok, I know for sure that you should shffl docs fair and nair, but what about his uair, dair and bair? Either there isn't much of a difference in lag or I am not getting the timing right for those.

[losvedir]

ok, I know for sure that you should shffl docs fair and nair, but what about his uair, dair and bair? Either there isn't much of a difference in lag or I am not getting the timing right for those.

Have you seen Overdose, the Doc video by Bob$? Those'll show you the power of shffl'd uairs and bairs. From your question, though, it sounds like you're wondering more about just the "l" part, though, and I don't know about that.

[iharfor]

Yeah I meant l-canceling to be more specific on the uairs, bairs and dairs

[stuntcuum3571]

umm, alsways l-cancel. SHFFL as much as possible. Annd there is a huge difference between a SHFFL'd dair and a SH Dair

[iharfor]

ok, I have realized that yes l-canceling dair is wonderful, but that still leaves uair and bair, I noticed that you can just sh those and you will end up having the land on your feet animation. but if you ff it or perform it a little later after the sh you can l cancel it, but the question is which is faster, landing on your feet animation or your lcancel. I cant tell. Too, if you notice, when you shhfl the uair his kick does not cover as much range, or at least that what it looks like to me.

[meleeprodigy]

sorry for the off topic but i cant get the overdose vid. i went to the overdose thread but it didn't help and i want to know how to get it. can anyone help me?

[maelstrom218]

I noticed that you can just sh those and you will end up having the land on your feet animation. but if you ff it or perform it a little later after the sh you can l cancel it, but the question is which is faster, landing on your feet animation or your lcancel. I cant tell. Too, if you notice, when you shhfl the uair his kick does not cover as much range, or at least that what it looks like to me.

Yes, if you simply SH the ABA and AUA, there's no need to L-cancel, but the timing required for it has to be absolutely perfect. To answer your question, I think that shffl'ing it is faster than simply SH'ing it, but I don't have the statistical particulars on me. . .anyways, it's better to shffl the AUAs, since you need to be as fast as possible for those Brown Mario-esque shffl'd AUA combos.

An interesting note about the ability to SH w/o the need for L-cancelling the ABA: if you correctly do a rising SH'd ABA (ABA as soon as possible when you start the SH), you have enough time to do a diagonal airdodge (aka aerial wavedash aka landdash aka waveland) before you hit the ground. This technique, called the SHABAWD (Short Hop Aerial Back Aerial WaveDash) allows you to directly wavedash out of a SH'd ABA w/o landing, like Luigi can. This allows faster follow-up of the ABA, can help in creating a pseudo Wall-of-Pain strat, and tons of other things. . .plus, it just plain looks cool. You can also jump after the rising SH'd ABA to go above the opponent for another aerial, too.

Shffl'ing an aerial won't reduce it's range or alter its hitbox, unless you somehow perform the aerial so late in the SH that you cut off part of the attack or cancel it altogether.

Meleeprodigy, the easiest way to get Overdose is by getting DC++ and going onto the Smash Hub. . .there's a thread on Melee Discussion on how to install, setup and use DC++.

[shindoku21]

Of course there is a difference, if there wasn't there wouldn't be a technique called shffl'ing, and everyone would shff. So, it shorter words, it's always good to shffl as much as possible. =d

[meepxzero]

brown mario doesnt fast fall l-cancel his auas unless its against fast fallers, but hes talkin about doc his aua combos kinda blow =x they only work at over a 100%! Imo shffl is probably worse for mario/doc because even if l-canceled u still deal with landing lag at least for bairs and uairs. Id only l-cancel them if i had no choice like if i did a full jump and fast falled. This would probably be important for match ups like marth and shiek because even if u do l-cancel they can shield grab u if they are quick :dizzy: and if u dont fast fall them and ur quick u can have the options of wave dashing right after the attack cape said he can wd after uair but i still have to see it and bair i know u can. I swear tho mario/doc gets shield grabbed the most out of all the characters i use :psycho: