Some M2 vids

[MookieRah]

I wasn't able to go to Dallas like I wanted so to make up for it I made my TX friends some M2 vids.

Since I am going to my grandparents' I won't be able to spread them on the hub so you have to get them here:

http://rapidshare.de/files/995603/MookieRah_M2__vs_Armada_Zelda_3-24-05_1_.avi.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/995664/MookieRah_M2__vs_Armada_Zelda__3_.avi.html

I can guarantee that the music is very original for a smash vid XD...

...and yes, I will remake them with more "serious" music later, but till then, try to have a sense of humour :-P.

Enjoy!

P.S. - That is me talking over the recordings in the 2nd vid. I make a lot of references to various things without explaining them, so if something doesn't make sense just don't ponder on it for long.

[MetaKnight0]

I need codec.

[Zanguzen]

nice- although u were trigger happy with the fully charged shadow ball lol

[Umbreon]

that's not always a bad thing. Like against peach, spam it up =)

[MetaKnight0]

Who knew throwing the most predictable projectile in the game would be helpful?

[Varuna]

wouldn't samuses projectile be a bit more predictable mewtwo's ball travels all swiggly like.

[MookieRah]

For those who don't know those vids are compressed in Divx, so you need the latest divx codecs for it.

Well while I was away I decided to analyze my vids. I have made 6 vids, of them I will release just two more. Anyways, I went through everything I think I did well in the vids, everything I did bad, and things I could have done that would have been much better.

Here is what I came up with:

Praise for specific moves:

Nair is too good ^_^

Upsmash is like an unbroken version of Peach's downsmash. It comes out fast, does good percentage, stays out a long time, covers A LOT of area, peals through shields like butter, and can even combo!!!!!

Contrary to popular belief, M2's downsmash is badass IMO. I get like 3 KOs with it in my latest batch of vids and I rarely use it in a situation in where it would be too slow to use.

Fsmash is also good, but is definitely the lesser of M2's smashes. I use it more than dsmash, but it isn't as adept at KOing. It does well as a "get the crap away from me attack" as well as a good damage racker.



General Strategies:

I need to hang by the ledge and throw dairs more than I jump out and try to spike, especially against sheik and zelda.

I should run up to people and then duck to make them think I am gonna dtilt, but wait for them to jump over me and intercept with uptilt.

In a constant dodging situation, throw out an upsmash.

After shielding a heavy hit, go for a fair instead of a shield grab. More often than not M2's grab isn't long enough.

If the enemy is hanging by the ledge when recovering, throw out a nair and DI away from the ledge. It spits them off the stage and reverses the situation.

I need to uptilt more, a lot more.

I also need to use uair more. There are a lot of times where I tried to use it, but didn't quite have the nack I should with it. Also bair combos into uair quite often and I missed out on another hit in a combo a lot of times cause I went for 2 bairs instead of a bair and uair.

I need to really incorporate the DJC bair trick where I jump forward and slingshot back. There are many applications for this, and I really need to get used to doing it.



Character Specific Strategies:

Zelda's kicks really hurt O_O;;;... I should try not to play as risky with my aerial game.

In a few situations where I riskfully tried to follow up with a fair on a combo I would get kicked by Zelda. Instead I should use uair, I am pretty sure it would have, at least, had a better chance of hitting and would definitely aid in comboing and getting Zelda EXACTLY where I want her to be. *edit* Actually it does work, I did it once in my first vid. Heh, how bout that?

Sheik's fair has more range than M2's, I need to stop taking the needless risk of trying to beat her to it in an aerial standoff situation.

I don't like Peach, at all. I can see how M2 would be able to do well against her, but I just suck at it. I NEED PEACH EXP.

Don't try to go to the air with Peach if you aren't below her, she will mess you up big time.



Possible New Combos:

I wonder if you can combo a charging shadow ball with a downthrow even if your opponent DIs away. If I get adapt at making the quick turnaround charge I think it would work when dudes are at low percent, and when fastfallers are at high. Heck if a fast faller gets caught up in it, it may end up killing em if they DI in front of the shadow ball. This may result in them getting a free hit though, but I think it will be worth it in badass points.

I need to try out downthrow >> Charged Shadowball ^_^. I did it one in a vid and I wonder how effective it would be most of the time.

The ftilt *can* combo into a dtilt if they DI bad :-P. I might be able to move forward slightly and dtilt in some situations other than DIing forward. Most likely up. There is no way to combo ftilt if they di away.


General Thoughts About the Vids:

I wish I had someone better to play against though, cause Nick (Armada) isn't up to par with the "greater" Tupeloopas (JCPwn, PwnZone(although he hasn't played in a long while), Chris Doyle(Nick's older brother), and myself). Asside from that though, I was able to show off my abilities with M2 a bit.
I am a bit flashier than I thought I was :-P. I was always told that Mewtwo vids were boring, but I actually find these vids quite entertaining. I enjoyed analyzing them too, and the information I gathered from them is definitely gonna help. If they are popular I will be sure to make some more vids soon against better opponents. Hopefully I will have fixed some of the things I mentioned here, and hopefully I will catch some more things to improve on. There will definitely be new character specific stuff. Between JC and Chris they cover a large amount of the cast.

[MetaKnight0]

I'm getting the codec and will see it soon...

In the meantime, why don't you go contact MetaNightEpsilon on AIM (me) and get another Mewtwo vid? It never hurts, and I suppose it would be entertaining to compare Mewtwo play styles. If you do contact me, please say you're there to see my vid; I'm quite indifferent to people who contact me and don't state their purpose quickly.

Back to Mookie's show >_> I'll rate/discuss or something.


1st vid seen:

Well, first thing I really see stand out is the Zelda. >_>. I won't comment on that further, but the way I see it, Zelda counters Mewtwo and I didn't see much of that happening.

As for Mewtwo, one thing that stood out was the risks you'd take. The one pseudo-combo you did at the beginning was not only escapable, you could've eaten a kick, plus that out of sync down air ender >_>. Of course, you need to take risks with Mewtwo, but you also need to know when you can continue a combo, and when you can't safely (big fault about the metagame in general I suppose)

Another thing I didn't see a lot of was Shadowballs and low djcs. I dunno, but you should try those things out, and definitely not keep to 25% Balls; small balls are helpful too, if only as a minor distraction and for some added mobility. Another thing is your throw choices. 105% or so on FD against Zelda will kill her if you use Up throw, DI assumed (I think), so I dunno why you didn't do it that one time >_> Some of the down throws were pretty redonk, cuz Zelda didn't DI, but at least you can combo out of it.

Lastly, I personally think approaches with Fair suck and are too risky. I haven't seen a Mewtwo style that plays even moderately the same, so power to you if you like it.

Concluding, from the first vid, I'd venture to call you more of a 'beatdown', high-risk, high-reward (as high a reward Mewtwo can reap >_>), but I think you need to add some subtelities to your approaches; Mewtwo can't really live if he can't mix it up.

[MookieRah]

I do take many risks, probably like you said far too many, but I am working on that.

plus that out of sync down air ender >_>.

I wanted a really frickin sweet spike in the vid so bad that I could taste it. Sadly I didn't get it and it knocked her back on the stage. I am aware that I should have just baired the heck out of her, but where are the badass points in that?????

As far as up throw killing at 105% on FD with DI... uh, not really. With DI it has to be at like 130% or so. Also keep in mind I sometimes mess up when I throw. For instance, I might have meant to do an up throw when I did a back. I know on one vid I did a forward throw that I meant to be a down throw.

I don't really see the point of low djc's. So far I haven't found too many practical applications for it. If you can give me a list of situations I can use it with I would be very appreciative.

I dunno, but you should try those things out, and definitely not keep to 25% Balls; small balls are helpful too, if only as a minor distraction and for some added mobility.

In other vids I use small shadow balls for grab oppertunities, although I never really spam them much if any. I also got my pseudo combo off because of one.

I like fair approaches in some cases. Fair has a lot of vertical range that most people (even Mewtwo players) don't even know about. I do use it on occasion in a risky situation though, and after reviewing my vids over and over I have seen places in which uair or other aerials would be better.

I haven't seen a Mewtwo style that plays even moderately the same, so power to you if you like it.

WEEEE!! I r be original!! I wondered if anyone would realize that I was a frucking lunatic :-P.

Some of the down throws were pretty redonk, cuz Zelda didn't DI, but at least you can combo out of it.

Is there something wrong with dthrow??? If you aren't going for a vert kill or a horizontal kill and want to rack up damage, why not throw them down? Nick sucks at DIing so I knew I could get away with that, but regardless I would have down thrown. Sometimes you can follow the tech and dthrow em again, and again, etc.

As for subtleties.....
I do other things in other vids that I have. For instance, in the 4th vid I was teleporting through Sheik needles and grabbing her from behind while Nick was lagged from throwing them. I will release that soon.

Mewtwo can't really live if he can't mix it up.

Indeed. Which is why I still have a lot to learn. You can only go so far being agressive as hell.

Thanks for your comments yo! I will contact you on AIM sometime soon, I would now, but I gots to go.

[JesusFreak]

Oh I see how it is. You make some vids for your "Texas friends" but conveniently leave me out of it.:o

[MookieRah]

*sobs*
It just always has to be about you JF doesn't it :(
*cries and runs away*

I actually didn't mention any TX dudes in my comments on the 2nd vid. I was just talkin random **** yo. I made the vids so you could at least see some of the post-MOAST improvements I made. Like teleport canceling and other various things.

[JesusFreak]

Rofl. yeah it's all good. I really don't care, I was just messin with ya. :p

[Umbreon]

agressive as hell is what wins with Mewtwo. Spacing and agressive combos.

I have a couple suggestions. First off, find a better opponent :p

Umm......first off, learn those fastfalls better. It's a little sloppy which will get you killed in any other situation, particularly against any higher tier characters. Except peach, just shoot the ***** down lol.

Also, I suggest more tail hits, tip hits speifially, as they combo signifiantly better if you're fast enough. For example, replace random upsmashes with random uptilts, perhaps reverses. You'll be much more difficult to approach.

shoot more.

[Greta_the_Great]

I hate rapidshare.... I'll get the vids after I come back from the dentist.

[MookieRah]

I have a couple suggestions. First off, find a better opponent

Well I did specify that Nick isn't all that great, but at the time I didn't have any better options. I will record some matches with JCPwn and/or Chris asap. They are a lot better skill wise.

Also, I suggest more tail hits, tip hits speifially, as they combo signifiantly better if you're fast enough. For example, replace random upsmashes with random uptilts, perhaps reverses.

Yeah, that is one of the things I noticed myself when I was analyzing my vids. I take it nobody read my extremely long *** post about all that junk :-P, I can't say I really blame you guys though. But yeah, I am going to incorporate uptilts into my game more. It will be hard though, cause I loves meh upsmash :-P.

shoot more.

Gotcha.

I hate rapidshare....

I am not too fond of it either, but I didn't have time to get them on the hub and so far have been too lazy to get on the hub to share them :-P. It will prolly be a while too, cause the internet is down at my dorms and it won't be up any time soon I am thinking >_<.

So in recap, here are the things I need to improve upon based on what I discovered and what others have said:

Uptilt more

Work on tilt spacing

Learn some insta-DJCed uair combos, and/or just get used to performing the move for situational combos.

Work on my fast-falling (I take it from teleport canceling?? I don't recall many other situations where I would have messed that up with the exception of teleport canceling).

Cap more dudes with shadow balls.

Don't be a retard and try to spike too much when I could do something better like bair or etc.

Incorporate my slingshot DJC bair into my gameplay.

[Umbreon]

I for one love invincible edge spikes XD

when you shoot more it isn't always the best idea to grab. often wD to dtilt tip works good, cause it's hard to shield grab. or Dash, SH disable, the air movement = extra range.

[pronstarpwnzor]

Nice vids Mookie, but what exactly made you give up on Roy to play M2? Or do you play Roy on the side now or something. Roy is such a good character if you have patience to be good with him, he's kinda like the opposite of Marth, where Marth you can start out and be good...

[MookieRah]

I still play him, and I will still use him against Foxes most definitely. The thing is that he just isn't as fun to play with as he used to be, and I really like playing with M2. An added bonus is that he is such an obscure character that is played at a high level so people enjoy playing against one. I love it, other peepz love it, so that is what I am gonna do.

That and my Roy is wierd. It would straight up dominate some dudes, but suck horribly against others. Keep in mind when I say this I mean dudes of equal skill levels overall. I didn't like being inconsistent.

But yeah, I still play Roy, and Link, and a recent addition CF. I play with pretty much every other character too, cause I like to goof off a lot :-P. W00t, working on a DK and a Bowser at the moment :-P.

[MetaKnight0]

I notice no comments from my Mewtwo vid, nor requests.

Just as well. Not like the vid was spectacular or even moderately good >_>

[MookieRah]

If you posted your vids or put them on the hub (I don't know if they are there or not) I will be glad to comment. Otherwise it's pointless to talk about it knowing that you and I are the only ones who have seen them pretty much :-P.

Also, I did recommend dudes to check out your vids if you had them on the hub in a different M2 thread.

Azen, Mikael, Mow(although extremely dated), MetaKnight0, and I are good examples.

I for one think your M2 is BA and you should show the rest of the peepz here your skrillz.

[pronstarpwnzor]

I guess I only saw the first video after posting my comment, but after watching the second one, it almost made me fall asleep. You've got to face a quicker opponent, and take off that quirky music, as it just adds to my drowsyness. Put on some fast decent techno music or rap, or just keep the original sound.

In most cases its funnier to hear commentary from the people fighting in their videos, rather than substituting in half-arse music. You say you've fought Caveman with your M2, man you should've gotten vids up of that. Not only would people have been able to see some footage of Caveman's "godly" Young Link, as some people call him, but the match would have been faster paced I assume, considering projectiles would be thrown left and right, and constant fighting would have made it a very tense video to watch.

To conclude, watching a M2 verse Zelda match is the most boring match I've seen, as both these characters are so slow, and droggy in their movement and techniques. I still think your M2 is good and all though, its just the videos are restless, but what can you expect from M2 anyways, its not gonna be a fast paced battle...

[MookieRah]

man you should've gotten vids up of that.

If it was possible, I would have. As for the music I did it just to be funny and/or different. Don't worry, I have fast paced music for the next batch of vids, which will be up soon.

[Mew2Matteo]

Originally posted by pronstarpwnzor
both these characters are so slow, and droggy in their movement and techniques. I still think your M2 is good and all though, its just the videos are restless, but what can you expect from M2 anyways, its not gonna be a fast paced battle...

Yeah, okay :rolleyes:

Mookie: You're from Texas, right? Where the **** is the Pantera music in the background? :demon:

[MookieRah]

LOL, I am from Mississippi yo. I wish I was in Texas, I would have a lot better competition XD.

As for the music the first vid has Banana Phone by Raffi, the 2nd vid has a bunch of They Might Be Giants and crap like that I do believe.

The latest batch of vids that I haven't put out yet will have music from The Black Mages. It's the band Nobuo Uematsu put together and they remix his FF music (he plays the keyboard in the band too). It's cool **** XD.


I straight up don't understand the DC++ hub. Nobody can get my new files from it for some reason and it's in my shared folder. The only vids that people can get from me is this ancient vid where I was dickin around with Bowser that I made for Luke...

What the heck is up with that???

[ArC_man]

I can't even get ur filelist >_<

maybe u should change to passive and let some active peeps get stuff from u first and then spread it around (cause u have to put in all the info about ports and crap >_>)

[Xenon Oxide]

heart heart heart heart

[Xenon Oxide]

puppies and love muffins

[Mew2Matteo]

Double post about triple insertions, oh my :crazy:

[MookieRah]

maybe u should change to passive and let some active peeps get stuff from u first and then spread it around (cause u have to put in all the info about ports and crap >_> )

Ok, it's set to passive. I hope this works.

[Rapid_Assassin]

Is there any reason why your videos don't work on some computers? They work fine on mine, but some people i know tried to download them and all they get is the music (no video). And now a bunch of friends have Banana Phone stuck in their heads...

1st song was good, you should have found something slightly more upbeat for the 2nd song. Or just remake them with techno or something (for the people who don't like the funny songs).

Anyway, i'd like to see you up against a faster opponent. Maybe a Marth or Fox player. Zelda is a bit slow, and the person playing her wasn't the best Zelda player i've seen. He was ok, definitely not what I'd call good though. I don't think Mewtwo vids are boring, but they are better against faster opponents.

Do you have a website or something? I have problems getting anything from the hub.