L-Cancelling With Falco?

[SVYusuke]

I just wanted to know; when is it important to L-Cancel with Falco?

[ANTX]

sorry to be the one to say it....but.


everytime you do any aerial move. with any character. except peach and G&W.



but with falco. everytime you do anything.

i l-cancelled my pancakes this morning that's how much i l-cancel.

[Glide]

I'm so hardcore, I l-cancel my B attacks. Seriously. It doesn't actually cancel anything, but I try anyway out of habit XD

Seriously though, L-cancel ALL of your aerial attacks.

[Varuna]

From the looks of SVY's Avatar I can guess why he would ask this question. **** Character that barely even needs l-canceling.

[PinchyCM]

I Lcancel so much that when I was playing Ninja Gaiden on the XBOX, I caught myself tapping L when I landed.

[Varuna]

Oh yeah.... well I l-cancel so much that when I get up out of bed in the morning my right triger finger twitches when my feet touch the ground.

yay 200th post

[footnbaseball]

Originally posted by ANTX

everytime you do any aerial move. with any character. except peach and G&W.


well i understand why you said peach but could you go over why lcanceling is unneccessary for gw?

[omegablackmage]

i think he was just saying that because gw can't cancel his bair and uair. Other than that it is essential to l cancel gw's game.

[Opiate_Crush]

You press your L or R button when there's smoke around your character when they land, right?

[Qwester]

Hmm, since nobody actually answered the question, I'll put in my two pence.

It's important to L-Cancel with Falco as it allows much better flow of attack, if you L-cancel his d-air for example, you can follow it up and hit with a large number of Falcos moves leaving less time for your opponent to recover and defend/hit you.

For Opiate: If you're timing your L-Canceling for the smoke, chances are you'll miss it most of the time. Try it just before your character touches the ground, you'll probably need to play around in training mode to see what works best for you. Eventually it'll just become habit. There are a few exceptions with certain characters, like Marth and ganon. Ganon's d-air timing is just weird because he pulls his legs up yet still counts as touching the ground, Marth's d-air is just as bad as the sword hits the ground first, so you've gotta pay attention to his body.. not sword.

[footnbaseball]

Originally posted by omegablackmage
i think he was just saying that because gw can't cancel his bair and uair. Other than that it is essential to l cancel gw's game.

thats why i thought he said it...yea thats not true. bair CAN be canceled, and i assume uair can to, but the lag is very minimal.

[Qwester]

You can L-Cancel it.. but it doesn't change the lag at all. So there's no payoff/point.

[meleemarth]

it is important to l_cancel with every move. if not then falco cannot get some of his insane combos off.

[Mario's Cape]

I l-cancel sooooooo much that I waste at least three rolls of film in 5 mintues with my camera.

[viperboy_74]

so ya... i'm a falco who doesn't l-cancel anything but my down spike and the occasional back kick while edgeguarding... maybe thats why everyone i've played at in tourneys calls me the weird falco and the noob on crack. i dunno it works for me and i usually win.

[soberfox]

*sighs*

The same "weird" Falco that doesn't SHL...

So with no SHL and no L-cancelling...what exactly do you do?

[Zanguzen]

holy **** nice avatar sober

[BUHO]

That's a deep and meaningful post Zang, like this one!

[SuperDoodleMan]

If the lag isn't reduced, what's getting cancelled? GaW's up, back, and neutral aerials cannot be L cancelled, period.

[Opiate_Crush]

****, is this a Falco or G&W thread?

Question: Do you think it's easier to do the cancelling with the L or R button?

I find it so much easier to use the R button because I'm right handed maybe? But I'm going to try and use the L button only for L-Cancelling next time I play. Maybe I can integrate it into my game as the only purpose for that button...Maybe it would be better to use because I could always keep my finger up there in the same position instead of moving it around going from buttons to c-stick with the right hand? Who knows? Can I get people's opinions on which is easier?

[PinchyCM]

i L cancel with the L. :) It's so it frees up my right hand for a quick move after the L-cancel.

[soberfox]

Originally posted by Zanguzen
holy **** nice avatar sober

Heh, that was a random post, but thanks. I thought it looked really cool myself. ;)

[viperboy_74]

sorry i didn't see the question posted towards me earlier... i do a lot of spikes... its pure habit for people to press A when on the ground so i normally jump above them and fast fall... as soon as they press a i second jump and fast down fall into a spike.. it puts them in the air just enough for a smash into a fairly nice combo... i try to stay airial after that using a lot of back kicks and spikes again.

[soberfox]

Use your L-cancelling and SHL. It sounds to me like your only using one very shallow part of Falcos game (back kicking and spiking...non L-canceled at that) and your cheating yourself by not L-cancelling and lasering.

[PinchyCM]

Originally posted by viperboy_74
sorry i didn't see the question posted towards me earlier... i do a lot of spikes... its pure habit for people to press A when on the ground so i normally jump above them and fast fall... as soon as they press a i second jump and fast down fall into a spike.. it puts them in the air just enough for a smash into a fairly nice combo... i try to stay airial after that using a lot of back kicks and spikes again.

people who hit A as they land aren't very good, unless your intentionally not tekking out of a move. you'd get worked by anyone else who knew better. it's essential to l-cancel every move with falco. his spike to a shine, jump cancel shine, uair/dair is a prime example.

[viperboy_74]

i do the occasional jump cancel from the shine... i don't do any tech really... very seldom... about the only combo i use with l-canceling is a fast fall down spike into a down smash... i know that i probably could be better if i would tech more, but it still works for me... i've only been two tournaments.. took a 9th out of 21 at the first one and a 7th out of 25 at the second...
i think it's the fact that people don't expect a falco to move like i do and that i think about my moves and time my smashes... that throws ppl off and tends to work...

[PinchyCM]

In my experience, people who don't tech get punshied.

[viperboy_74]

where is your guys location? maybe we could meet at a tourney somewhere and i could show you how my strageties work... i know most people told me the same thing how they doubt it's true and i probably play no different than a noob... lol after a few tourneys a lot of team shep calls me the "Noob on Crack".

[The_Great_Demon]

i L cancel so much............i just L cancel lol
u should l-cancel after every (arial) attack

[soberfox]

Originally posted by viperboy_74
where is your guys location? maybe we could meet at a tourney somewhere and i could show you how my strageties work... i know most people told me the same thing how they doubt it's true and i probably play no different than a noob... lol after a few tourneys a lot of team shep calls me the "Noob on Crack".

I'm from NC...I'd like to play you. $100,000,000 money match. Falco ditto.

I'll be L-cancelling. :)

EDIT: And SHL'ing.

EDIT 2: Come to Smash Aid V. We can play there and the tourney is going to be HUGE...so you'll have a good time, I promise.

*points to extremely cool sig*

[viperboy_74]

i live in a small town in illinois. lol. i know you don't believe me, but i'm no push over... just because i don't use those techniques doesn't mean anything. a simple jump can stop your shl from working appropiatley... especially since i am normally aerial anyway. the only falco ditto i have lost is to pete chen and that was my first tourney.

[Erusmors]

Haha, you're kidding yourself if you think you can do well against pros in a tourny without L-canceling or SHBing with Falco. Without L-canceling, you're a sitting duck for shield grabbers, especially after a dair. Without SHBing, Falco loses his main method of approaching enemies. If you try to approach somebody in the air with Falco, they'll be ready to shieldgrab you, and if you don't L-cancel, they will. You're only doing yourself harm by not using these techniques. I used to think L-canceling wasn't necessary. Then I picked up Yoshi, and now I L-cancel everything.

[viperboy_74]

suburbs of chicago i take it? i live in Paris, 61944. look up my location and see how far it is... better yet look at the smym3 thread... its a very large tourney, about 70-80 people, on april 30 in champaign Il

[Matunas]

I'd just like to state for viperboy that for not L-Canceling he does a very good job. He can contend. Yes there is no reason to not L-Cancel but when you don't have it down yet you're just going to hurt yourself in a tournament by trying to use it. You end up focusing on the L-Cancel and not the match. Viperboy has a lot of potential once he gets that down and he is really good now for not doing it.

[soberfox]

A simple jump does not **** up your SHL, in fact thats what you wanted them to do. It FORCES them to do something. Either sheild or jump or just take it...or dodge of course.

SHL IS Falco. use it.

[$sD]

man Falco and no SHL is like fox who cant shine?
l canceling is important no matter who u are using.
me personally i only use falcos sex kick and dair which should be l canceled.

n00b on crack?

Man i coulda said that for my self some time ago

[viperboy_74]

thanks again manturas... i needed a little back up there... i do l-cancel my spikes like i said... but tahts all i really need for now with my playing style... i'm slowly trying to learn to put more l-cancels in, but trust me... i do not need to shl.

[FalseFalco]

How can i trust you when you set yourself up as a noob.

[Zanguzen]

yea i hate raggin on ppl like viperboy cus hes not bein an ahole like most noobs but let me just say this:

as falco u have to l-cancel everything
against most good players, if not all, they're gonna shield whatever aerials u shffl into them- without the l-cancel ure gonna get shieldgrabbed or shieldsmashed or shieldshined, etc...

for someone like falco, giving the opponent a chance to attack means they're that much closer to gettin u off the edge, which practically guarntees death

as for SHL, it ridiculously strengthens falco's ability to defend, approach, and annoy- thers no way hed be where he is on the tier list without SHL

u may think ure good and a "noob on crack", and for all i know ure mind games are good- but against good players- im talkin DA and soberfox, mind games alone with some random shffld dairs arent gonna cut it

I suggest u learn it instead of depending on whatever skills u got- it will only make u better

[Erusmors]

It doesn't matter. He can be content with his lack of SHBing, and any of us will own him in a match. It's that simple.

The fact is that SHBing is essential to Falco's game, and if you don't want to take advantage of it, then you'll lose to somebody who does.